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Escobarbarian posted:Does Regina King besting the blood and piss out of someone she kidnapped based on nothing more than intuition not count I kind of expect a lot of fans to be hurt and betrayed that the masked vigilante cops aren't the good guys just because we first see them as a multiracial force fighting white supremacists. It reminds me of the first season of Korra, where the villains from the start were consistently portrayed as a fascist cult using "equality" and some initial attacks on unpopular mobsters as cover for genocidal goals, but a lot of goons had their hearts set on them being misunderstood socialist revolutionaries with a lot of good ideas.
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There are plenty of writers who do really insightful work but have an amazing lack of self awareness outside of it. It's pretty harmless and I'll take that over the ones that are like turbo-racist in real life or something any day.
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Oct 31, 2019 21:21
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Agent355 posted:I'm a moron and somehow by the time it got to Giant Blue Dildo I had forgotten that the name of the episode was 'She Was Killed by Space Junk' and now I'm laughing about it. "Destroyed" probably would have been too on the nose as a title.
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Nov 7, 2019 17:02
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Should have gotten a Wilson: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/trap-door/n9681
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Tenzarin posted:Why was hooded justice able to transform into an elephant and why didn't we learn about this in the flashback episode? The flashback was in an era where black Republicans weren't unusual.
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Dec 3, 2019 02:42
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beanieson posted:Well poo poo. Did goons miss this prior to now? I don’t remember seeing it itt It came up a couple times but just as reference, think this is the first time any links/videos were posted.
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Dec 12, 2019 17:33
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General Dog posted:The idea that Dr. Manhattan has been ineffectual because of some flaw in his personality (and the implication that Angela or anybody else could be a "better" version of him) seems like kind of a misunderstanding of the character. His indifference is part and parcel with being all-knowing and omnipotent. True as that is in the long term, it's also really important that he spent years active and doing stuff, but by serving as a good soldier for the US Government in the cold war, making massive changes in technology and national boundaries for them. His engagement in the world was shaped and controlled and diverged rapidly from what actually mattered to him on a personal level. Another person with Doctor Manhattan's powers might inevitably become alien, but how soon and what they do first is going to be entirely shaped by who they were before. The chamber put him on a new path, but he didn't spring full-form into the guy on Mars all fed up with the very existence of humanity. On other things, I'm not sure why anyone is shocked by Veidt being a crazy old Howard Hughes has been in 2008, much less in 2019. Years as a recluse having done his great plan and still never sure if the millions he killed were worth it, without even getting the credit? Him not being all he was in 1985 felt as reasonable a direction as Laurie ending up becoming her father despite it all.
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Dec 16, 2019 23:27
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Niwrad posted:The racial stuff turned out to be a red herring. The 7K were just pawns and wiped out easily by a super laser within seconds (by someone who had no beef with them). Hooded Justice, Tulsa Riots, 7K, masked cops acting like fascists was just tossed aside at the end to make it about Trieu, Manhattan and Viedt. People who weren't important characters for most of the series. I remember a couple episodes back someone said white supremacy is to this Watchmen what the Cold War and nuclear arms race was in the original. An unambiguous evil which all of the characters are driven by or react to, but which are not the center of what the work explores.
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Dec 17, 2019 00:08
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Episode 9 featured a guy giving a white supremacist speech, only to have it revealed he was manipulated into going against his own interests by someone with more money than him promising him the world. Then he stuck by it, even when warned it would end in his doom because he was being played. This too. My general experience with series with a lot of twists and late-answered mysteries is that you get multiple kinds of people real angry with it: 1. "That made absolutely no sense and I don't care how many people give me simple explanations of how I've missed basic, upfront things about the plot and themes." 2. "That was awful lol and I'm not really gonna say why but let's see how much I can make you dumb showlovers write defending against my vague criticisms." 3. "The day I saw the pilot/trailer/pre-production announcement I got a perfect idea in my head of what the show should be. Now I'm gonna compare the real world result to my vague yet flawless head show, and prove the showrunners dropped the ball." None of this is to say there aren't always people with well-reasoned, good faith criticisms about the show, and maybe a lot of them. But most of them tend to drip in over days, weeks, even months as people have a time to think about what didn't sit right. First day reactions are all drowned out by lovely hot takes.
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Dec 17, 2019 07:01
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Kill All Cops posted:What has been shown about Trieu that can be construed as evil? She advanced a ton of science, helped Angela out after ODing on Nostalgia, rescued her Dad from Europa, provides relatives of the Tulsa massacre with a way to DNA test and claim reparations. Maybe she's evil for doing advanced IVF treatment as a bargaining chip and listening to people's requests to Dr. Manhattan and wanting to do something about it? Instead she was unceremoniously killed with frozen shrimp rain by the Dad she rescued using tech from 1985 so the old boomer gets a win against a worthy adversary and can sit in Antarctica doing nothing This depends I guess on how much you believe in good
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Also the contrast between Trieu and Angela is an important one there. One of them learned that Manhattan was accessible, determined how to kill him and take his powers, then spent tens of billions and orchestrated an elaborate conspiracy to make it happen. The other was told by Manhattan "Oh, I could give you my powers" and said, "Wait, how about we seal yours away instead?" then eventually after being offered them more directly took up the offer. I mean, not that I think Angela having the powers of a god is going to save the world. She's a flawed person who likes to address problems with needless violence. But then, Trieu did that too, just also making a convoluted elaborate game of it to stroke her ego. (Both telling themselves, "But they're only bad people" doesn't matter because that's how people do violence.) But there's no reason to see the ending as a moral good just because Trieu or Keene getting the power would have been worse. Just like in the original, there's no need to see Veidt as the hero just because a nuclear war would have been even worse than three million dead in New York. This wasn't a happy ending. It was just avoiding an apocalyptic ending at the cost of changing the world forever, and people having to go on with their lives.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Was treiu's mom really smart too? The clone was working on a dissertation but I thought the original was a cleaning lady or something Being from some Vietnamese village during the war, it's not like she likely had great opportunity for education and career. She was smart enough to steal from Veidt and get out before he killed all his staff as part of his meticulously designed plot, so she was obviously no slouch.
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Dec 17, 2019 20:25
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Sleeveless posted:Nerd rage. When you've spent years constructing elaborate fanfiction narratives about how a creator of a work that disappointed you is an objectively terrible human being who is personally responsible for everything you disliked then you can't let a little thing like basic storytelling comprehension get in the way of making the most damning possible interpretations of everything that happens. People are also really bad with protagonists who are not heroes, or the outcome of a story not being a morally right one. Even for some reason those who are big fans of (at least the original) Watchmen. And they still handle that better than they handle unreliable narrators.
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Dec 17, 2019 21:38
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just another posted:Nobody ITT is having trouble understanding that Angela, the protagonist, isn't a "hero". Did you mean to post this in a thread where people haven't been arguing since episode one how awful it is the writers are treating a brutal cop as a hero just because she's a black woman, or did you just mean to not post it in the middle of a page of the thread where people were arguing exactly that?
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Dec 17, 2019 22:49
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zoux posted:The critical response is unanimously positive. Which of course it is because they're all sucking up to Demon Lindlcock to get a job writing his next show, which will be Lost part 2, which I will also never get over My uncle who works at Rotten Tomatoes says HBO's intimidating them all into writing glowing reviews to game the algorithm.
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Dec 17, 2019 22:56
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Kodo posted:I like my stories sou vide To be fair if you've played like one full game of Fallout 3 with the radio on you've heard it enough to want to see the world burn.
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Dec 23, 2019 06:47
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lurker2006 posted:I still wouldn't say TV Ozy is a faithful adaption of the comic character although perhaps it was a purposeful re-interpretation on Lindeloff's part. In general he just was too outwardly psychopathic and megalomaniacal, in the few appearances in the comic outside of the republican serial villain monologue he seemed to carry a certain moroseness and dissonance toward his scheme that never really felt applicable to Iron's portrayal. I figured a lot of it could come up easily to decades as a recluse plus "killing millions changes a person."
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Dec 26, 2019 09:35
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"Prove to me that the trillionaire with the convoluted murder plot shouldn't be trusted with godhood" was a better posting gimmick.
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KoRMaK posted:the person you quoted That wasn't me, I was mocking them with everyone else. But around the finale a couple people jumped into a "she said she was going to make the world better and she killed those white supremacists so there's no real reason to believe she wasn't a real deal hero who deserved godhood" line of argument. I don't remember who exactly without hunting back through the thread.
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I just think back to early episodes where a bunch of people decided it was either gonna frame the police as good guys since the bad guys are white supremacists, or was trying to show a PC-gone-mad! world with genuine discrimination against white people.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Something about pandering to Asian audiences to boost international sales? Also, Trieu stole from the colonizers and beat them at their own game, but there's also a morality tale because in becoming like the colonizers she despised, she destroyed herself? Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much it. Her mother was employed by a colonizer who was going to sacrifice her, then stole (DNA) from him and escaped instead so she could try raising the world's smartest kid. Trieu herself went a step further to claim his estate, but that wasn't enough since she also wanted the power of her country's conqueror. And her dead mother back to boot. Like her father, her goal was ostensibly world peace and she might have meant it on some level, but the story of her life was always taking as much as she could grab.
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