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maybe if the lions wanted the refs to favor them they shouldn't have been systemically complete garbage for their entire existence. in unrelated news my monitor is on
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Rad Valtar posted:The first illegal hands to face directly led to a Packers TD the very next play instead of it being 4th down and either a punt or a field goal. Now you could say that "well you don't know what might have happened after that play.". You are correct we don't know because the Lions and the fans were robbed of the chance to see how differently the game would have played out with a correct no penalty call. More critically, it allowed the packers to run the clock out. Give me a few minutes, I need to check something.
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Rad Valtar posted:The second illegal hands to the face was still bad but not as much because it made the field goal at the end easier. It allowed the Packers to run the clock down and ensure Detroit couldn't get the ball back after the FG which they would have if that play had been called correctly.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:maybe if the lions wanted the refs to favor them they shouldn't have been systemically complete garbage for their entire existence. in unrelated news my monitor is on 
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Groovelord Neato posted:that is incredible. Yeah I forgot about that. I just want games officiated correctly and if the team still loses so be it. We shouldn't see people criticizing refs and go well the team should have played better. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
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Oct 15, 2019 14:43
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Diva Cupcake posted:Maybe this wouldn't happen if the Lions just played better football. The Packers called a timeout. This would have been a free play and the flag isn't thrown until the snap. Not remotely the same thing. Edit: just read that the Lions got only 58 yards in the second half Hot Diggity! fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Oct 15, 2019 14:48
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Alright, an 18 run baseball game this season (just picked a random game) took 3:33 (213 minutes) to complete. There were 323 pitches in the game (no clue on pick off attempts), or a rate of about a pitch every 40 seconds (this usually holds true for most games, but  )The average NFL game is 3:12, but can vary (couldn't find the time for last night's). Assuming that was the actual length, 124 plays were run. A whopping 93 seconds***** on average happens between plays. Now, to be fair, this is stupidly inaccurate since in the middle of a drive, the play clock is 40 seconds. But once you factor in commercial breaks and halftime, the pace is slower than baseball. Would longer, slower feeling games be worth it for more reviews? You decide. And yes, small sample sizes etc. Also the NFL's mobile website sucks. E: if you go by 60m/ plays, it comes out to a much more realistic a play every 29 seconds iospace fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Oct 15, 2019 14:52
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Hot Diggity! posted:The Packers called a timeout. This would have been a free play and the flag isn't thrown until the snap. Not remotely the same thing. It's the same thing if you don't know the rule 
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Oct 15, 2019 14:55
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Guze posted:It's the same thing if you don't know the rule I mean, it's Florio, so that's a given. Lost in the ref mess is LaFleur called a really good game given the lack of receivers and all of the drops. Been very impressed by his playcalling.
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Oct 15, 2019 14:57
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Hot Diggity! posted:I mean, it's Florio, so that's a given. Yeah, he seems to have found his footing now, which is good. Also halftime adjustments, finally!
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Oct 15, 2019 14:59
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Allison is probably out for a week, I'm interested to see what Lazard can do with more practice reps with Rodgers.
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On the one hand, flags are no fun. On the other hand, a rule shouldn’t be subject to the flow of the game - if something’s a foul, it should be called every single time until the players play better. Consistency is the most important thing if the outcome of the game is meaningful.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:03
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Guze posted:Allison is probably out for a week, I'm interested to see what Lazard can do with more practice reps with Rodgers. Shepard dropped down to the bottom of the depth chart. It's hard to excuse his fuckups. Did they say Allison had a concussion? I mean, it sured looked like it, but I hadn't seen it confirmed.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:09
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We should have known that the reffing was going to be terrible when the Lions got a TD on 4th and goal, with one ref signalling for time, one signalling for Packers ball, and one signalling for TD.
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Hot Diggity! posted:We should have known that the reffing was going to be terrible when the Lions got a TD on 4th and goal, with one ref signalling for time, one signalling for Packers ball, and one signalling for TD. They ruled TD because it seems the refs have been instructed to call the result of a play that's automatically reviewable and then review it. That said, I don't think the lions would have won that challenge if it was called short. I personally didn't see it cross on replay but who knows.
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iospace posted:They ruled TD because it seems the refs have been instructed to call the result of a play that's automatically reviewable and then review it. Oh no I'm aware of how they call it, more pointing out three different calls by the refs at once.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:21
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Hot Diggity! posted:Oh no I'm aware of how they call it, more pointing out three different calls by the refs at once. I don't think they actually reviewed it.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:22
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Leon Einstein posted:I don't think they actually reviewed it. every scoring play is reviewed by the replay official.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:30
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Yeah there just wasn't enough to overturn it either way
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Oct 15, 2019 15:32
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Groovelord Neato posted:every scoring play is reviewed by the replay official.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:35
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Hot Diggity! posted:The Packers called a timeout. This would have been a free play and the flag isn't thrown until the snap. Not remotely the same thing. I'm pretty sure breaking the huddle with too much man is the penalty I know I've seen the breaking the huddle  before
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Oct 15, 2019 15:48
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm pretty sure breaking the huddle with too much man is the penalty It is on offense. On defense it becomes a penalty when the snap is imminent. I dunno when the Packers called a TO though.
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Oct 15, 2019 15:49
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Leon Einstein posted:I know that's supposed to happen, but they literally lined up for the PAT right away and kicked it. Must've been like a 1 second review. I don't think Riveron is actually doing anything in NYC. Jerking it raw to the tears hes causing
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Oct 15, 2019 15:53
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Q_res posted:The Packers went from being down 22-13 to winning 23 to 22. Everyone single one of those ten points was scored after the Detroit Defense sacked Rodgers on 3rd down and the refs turned around and gave Green Bay a first down on egregiously awful, phantom calls. It takes a special kind of stupid to blame that on the Lions. And that ignores the uncalled PI against GBs defense and the other awful calls in that game. But like *hits bong* what is causality even, mannn?
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Diva Cupcake posted:Maybe this wouldn't happen if the Lions just played better football. You'd think Patricia wouldn't be getting outcheated with his background but alas
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Hot Diggity! posted:The Packers called a timeout. This would have been a free play and the flag isn't thrown until the snap. Not remotely the same thing. Why is Florio such a poo poo head vvv More like unsurprising fact Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Oct 15, 2019 16:09
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Weird fact: Rodgers' last four interceptions have all come off of drops from the receiver
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Hot Diggity! posted:Weird fact: Rodgers' last four interceptions have all come off of drops from the receiver I'm pretty sure his only 2 INTs last season where off the hands of Jimmy Graham. Rodgers good.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Weird fact: Rodgers' last four interceptions have all come off of drops from the receiver That one off Shepard was as flukey as it gets.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Weird fact: Rodgers' last four interceptions have all come off of drops from the receiver Mayfield is the next Rodgers confirmed.
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I think what makes the game feel particularly egregious is that it wasn't just one call, and the refs effectively helped Green Bay and hurt Detroit on four back-to-back drives leading right into the end of the game: The overturn of the Kerryon catch and fumble, the first hands to the face, the no-call on DPI, and the second hands to the face that ended the game. All of these calls (Or no-calls) came on 3rd down, in the 4th, and each played a significant part in the game's outcome. Should the Lions have played better? Absolutely. Only getting 3 field goals off of 3 turnovers was simply killer, and the 12 men on the field that turned a field goal into a touchdown was utterly inexcusable. But what strikes me is that in spite of the dumb mistakes, the Lions were still in a position to win the game, and probably would have, if not for the utterly atrocious officiating in the 4th quarter. That's what makes the result so hard to swallow, and why so many people are frustrated—because Detroit was effectively cheated out of a chance to fairly win (Or lose, because I'll always be upfront that the Lions losing is to be expected in all circumstances) the game because of it.
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Hot Diggity! posted:The Packers called a timeout. This would have been a free play and the flag isn't thrown until the snap. Not remotely the same thing. Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I'm pretty sure breaking the huddle with too much man is the penalty YOLOsubmarine posted:It is on offense. On defense it becomes a penalty when the snap is imminent. I dunno when the Packers called a TO though. On defense, 12 men is a pre-snap penalty (i.e. throw the flag, stop the clock, and don't let the offense snap the ball) if the extra defenders are "in its formation for more than three seconds, or [...] in its formation and the snap is imminent." If the extra players are running toward the sideline (but don't make it before the snap) it's an offside-style free play. The pre-snap penalty is a 2012 change. So the Packers didn't really have anyone in formation, since they were so confused, and then they called timeout before the snap, hence no flag.
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Oct 15, 2019 18:19
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"Don't be in a position to lose a game because of refs" is really loving stupid of the only reason they were in a position to lose a game because of refs was also because of the refs spending the entire 4th quarter making sure the fix was in.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I think what makes the game feel particularly egregious is that it wasn't just one call, and the refs effectively helped Green Bay and hurt Detroit on four back-to-back drives leading right into the end of the game: The overturn of the Kerryon catch and fumble, the first hands to the face, the no-call on DPI, and the second hands to the face that ended the game. All of these calls (Or no-calls) came on 3rd down, in the 4th, and each played a significant part in the game's outcome. Don't forget that the Lions only touchdown came on a call where referees that couldn't see where the ball was at were enthusiastically calling for a turnover-on-downs. At the party I was at, some guys were saying the fix was in then and the touchdown will get overturned.
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AsInHowe posted:Don't forget that the Lions only touchdown came on a call where referees that couldn't see where the ball was at were enthusiastically calling for a turnover-on-downs. At the party I was at, some guys were saying the fix was in then and the touchdown will get overturned. Two refs signaled opposite things.
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Q_res posted:It allowed the Packers to run the clock down and ensure Detroit couldn't get the ball back after the FG which they would have if that play had been called correctly. It's not like this Matt Stafford guy is known for comebacks or anything....
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"Why don't NFL teams just dominate the opponent by 4 TDs every game so it doesn't matter?" -- An actual thing people think
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I know nobody gives a poo poo about this but it's kinda interesting to see that the NFL is going through the exact same controversy/conundrum with reviews and challenges that soccer is going through with the Video Assistant Referee, both sports at the same time it turns out it's really hard to strike a balance between being fair with referee's decisions and not being a miserable sport to watch (yeah I know "but soccer always has been miserable to watch lmfao!!!") thanks and God bless ! Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Oct 15, 2019 23:27
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Matt Patricia is like if a shower drain was a person
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