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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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That Ed Miliband tweet is very good.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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HorseLord posted:

"tankie" here used to mean "person who says factual things"

No, tankie here refers to your Hoxha-esque zeal against revisionism and your history of defending Stalin.

None of this stops you from being right on this though: most of the thread is somewhere between social democrat and democratic socialist.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Holy gently caress those cunts get everywhere.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Continuity RCP posted:

I mean there's a list of LM issues and their contents and her name isn't on any of them. Probably used a different name

I had to check Powerbase, because it's generally a great resource for keeping tags on those ex-RCP gobshites. Mirza is one of the younger members, probably joining up in university in the late 90s, she started working for Culture Wars in 1999 but they have no listings for her writing in LM. So to be honest, she seems to have hooked up with them after they overthrew their Trot remnants.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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HorseLord posted:

I've never been chased out of UKMT, and in fact i don't know who you are

if you've got archives you can look back through my post history and find the entire conversation i was alluding to if you want. said holocaust denier justified himself as "challenging tankies on their bullshit", which, you know, is a hell of an excuse for insisting the nazis didn't gas people in vans

does tintower still post in here? i know a lot of mileage was gotten out of that coconut thing

TinTower hasn't posted in UKMT in ages but she is still active on other parts of the forum.

Where do you stand on the Katyn massacre?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Continuity RCP posted:

It's specifically LM articles I was looking for. Basically I don't think she ever actually wrote for that magazine or that the RCP were a trot group when she was associated with them

This is correct as far as I can see.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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This is relevant to nothing but I'm watching Giant Bomb's video on Death Stranding & it's been described as a mix of American Truck Simulator & QWOP.

This has nothing to do with UK politics, I just needed to write this down because it's very good.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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SpaceCommie posted:

Quick note to all the brain pill people in here, if your SSRIs run out and your repeat prescription got hosed up don't just give up and stop.

I've been dizzy for about two weeks now, thought it was just lack of sleep but decided to look up citalopram withdrawal and welp ...



Looks like getvoting.org has pushed new data out yet again (I've not messaged @callumcant1 yet been too busy, he says posting on a forum) it's almost like this site was unfinished and rushed out ...

Yeah, please, please do not go cold turkey on SSRIs, it is very dangerous. From personal experience, the warnings aren't kidding around.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/1190273485349806085?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Really enjoying the rugby.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ronya posted:

whether or not the local hospital charges fees on its damned car-parks or even just reserves it all, every single one, for staff, or steamrollers the whole thing for a dining area or a creche or a 12ft statue of William Beveridge, seems like an ideal question to devolve to the local trusts

LOL no

That's a very Tory solution

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Nov 2, 2019

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Borrovan posted:

Wait I thought that was :thejoke:

If ronya is making a joke then they have the driest sense of humour I've ever come across.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Braggart posted:

It's weird how Tories can never quite get human customs right, even with the best image consulting money can buy.

He went to Eton, he should absolutely know how to wear a rugby shirt, the daft twat.

Jedit posted:

You don't think people should have the right to own their own home?

Yes OP. Private property was a mistake.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bundy posted:

Land ownership as a concept still makes me :psyduck:


e:

<--- wtf is this

I'm pretty sure everyone who posted in the failed Pissflaps election thread got one, so it's your own fault :smuggo:

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tenebrais posted:

The deputy speaker (Ken Clarke?) is standing in for him until a new one is elected. I assume that'll happen after the GE.

Lindsay Hoyle

Ken Clarke is Father of the House.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chucat posted:

Boring as hell question about terfs that's been on and off bugging me for the last week.

What the hell do you do when they go "Oh so you don't care about ciswomen then?" when they bring up stuff like "People will self-identify to get into women's spaces and the women are scared of this happening" and I'm going "That literally doesn't happen, here's a report that says it doesn't happen." and they go "But what if it did, don't you care about women?"

You tell them to gently caress off with trying to legitimise their bigotry..

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chucat posted:

This is hard when they're a work colleague, but I will keep it in mind for when it happens online.

Just lol if you haven't already threatened to punch a colleague over some dumb poo poo they said (long time ago now, in around '05, one started raving about Iraq & how we should nuke the savages & turn the desert to glass & I didn't take that very diplomatically)

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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jiggerypokery posted:

Bummer. I miss flaps.

You should see your GP for a referral to a mental health specialist for that.

(It's okay, my brain is broken, I'm allowed to make this joke)

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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His Divine Shadow posted:

Hey slightly OT but I think this is the best place to raise the question. And it's not really about the article either, just this bit that popped out at me.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlmo...g/#24b1c7df2d9e


I've always been annoyed by that, because I don't want this. I want steady boring, predictable hours and job security, preferably all the way to my retirement. That's the boomers had and what I want. Am I the odd one among millennials or what? Do you guys want flexible work hours, working whenever from a coffee shop or what have you?

No, this is mostly just poo poo thrown at us by capitalism rather than a choice

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

:five:

I've always been confused why it's always weed out of all drugs that is pushed for legalization. Sure, it seems dumb as hell to ban it, and its prohibition is racist and sectarian against Rastafari, and it's a giant waste of money, but in terms of lives saved if I was forced to pick one and only one between legal weed or returning to the British system on cocaine and heroin I'd have to go with the one that doesn't end up with people injecting drywall.

Hell, if I was forced to pick one and only one between legal weed or MDMA being available at Boots and mental health professionals plus cultural elders being able to dispense LSD and psilocybin at their discretion I'd still go with the latter.

I'm still pro legalization overall, and I hope it's the first crack in the dam, it just seems very culturally strange that that's the one drug that we've staked the drug war battleground on.

Definitely release the Nonce Andrew files tho.

I've always been for a blanket legalisation of it all, even on drug policy I am against reformism. :smuggo:

Safer for end users getting stuff made by the state or whatever rather than dodgy gangs cutting your smack with anthrax (thing that happened in Glasgow a decade ago, there were several deaths) or other poo poo you don't want to inject into your veins or shove up your nose. Reduce prison numbers, reduce revenue source for violent gangs terrorising places like Mexico and El Salvador and Colombia. Create a revenue source for farmers in often poor countries.

Drug policy is generally the worst kind of populism.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Borrovan posted:

Totally off topic, a company is loving with some comrades of mine & it's become apparent that they're committing a criminal offence under the Companies Act - does anyone know who the appropriate public authority to shop them to is? Guessing the pigs wouldn't gaf

If you don't get a better answer, I'd get in touch with the CAB.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Junior G-man posted:

https://twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1191065277645111296?s=20

Seumas Milne and the CumDom are ACTUALLY THE SAME BOTH SIDES ARGHLBLARGHL

Also thanks for the cameo, JessFlaps.

It's fun that they didn't seem to care that much about SpAds in the Blair and Cameron years.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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1) Penis PenisPenis is punching above his weight by several classes.
2) Isobel Hardman is the Spectator writer who tweeted that she didn't like Rod Liddle's racism but nothing to do with me guv and liberals from the Graun rallied to her defence and insisted she was very brave despite the fact she knew what the Spectator is like considering Taki has been employed there for 42 years.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ronya posted:

the naive versions are idiotic

No poo poo, really? The neoliberal doesn't like the theory that says workers contribute more than they earn, whom among us could have guessed?

Not exactly a stunner it's not a key part of PPE courses.

HJB posted:

Fleetwood Mac did a lot to dispel nominal gender norms back in the day. Show people a picture - one of these people is called Lindsey, the other is called Stevie. You can go your own way.

Just want you to know how much I hate you far reminding me that Fleetwood Mac existed and we're dogshit. You swine.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Should clarify, they were fine until Peter Green left, then they turned into soft rock tedium

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Although that's the common opinion from dads who read Melody Maker, it's actually the opposite way around. If I never hear Albatross again in my life that's fine

If you want to get into my most dad-like music taste, sit me down and put on some trap and watch me stare off into the middle distance utterly befuddled.

VideoGames posted:

It was time.
Hot drat that avatar is art.

Ms Adequate posted:

Sorry, hold up, cancel all other discussions.

What

Mostly I like horrible unpleasant music and Fleetwood Mac do some of the most offensively inoffensive middle of the road soft rock. Similar feelings about Journey, Toto, Chicago, Boston, Hall & Oates, etc. It's just very much not my vibe. Not to say I don't like music with melody & that, but it's not that sort of thing.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Communist Thoughts posted:

Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value
Asking ronya to explain a Marxist idea is like asking me to explain the appeal of '70s soft rock.

The basic idea is pretty intuitive, actually pre-dates Marx to Smith & Ricardo & possibly even further back. To quote The Wealth of Nations, "The real value of all the different component parts of price, it must be observed, is measured by the quantity of labour which they can, each of them, purchase or command. Labour measures the value not only of that part of price which resolves itself into labour, but of that which resolves itself into rent, and of that which resolves itself into profit."

You earn £10 an hour for your employer because they can afford to make more than £10 an hour from your labour. That surplus value should go to the worker rather than capitalists. It's obviously a lot more complex but as a starting point, that'd do.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Nov 4, 2019

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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radmonger posted:

A classical liberal would say there is ‘coercion’ happening , and this is morally wrong, even if effective.

Someone hasn't read Liberalism: A Counter-History. I know we've not been going on about so much lately because it's in the OP and all that, but c'mon.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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lol at accusing her of lying because of a glitch on their backend. Quality people.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1191678374999146503?s=20

Jo Swinson just confirming what we all already knew, she's a Tory.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Why did I worry that my Internet posting would preclude me from being elected when dude who went on the radio to blame rape victims clearly doesn't think that'll be a problem

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jose posted:

are you outing yourself as a tory?

MODS THIS IS ABUSE

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I like how she's pissed that her big story got quashed rather than an institutional coverup of an elite paedophile ring but :capitalism:

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Barry Foster posted:

But of a weird flex bud, I'd be exactly as hosed off if I had mountains of evidence about a literal paedophile conspiracy and it got quashed.

From that clip I got the vibe she was worried more about not getting her big scoop rather than the actual effects of the story on the victims. Because if I had a big story like that and I had the evidence she claims and my employers were claiming it's not news I'd have done something with it. Pass it on to a less craven outlet. Write a loving book. Something more than just give up and then moan years later that I lost my scoop.

But :shrug: not going to die on this hill, if no one else gets that from the clip then whatever.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Had to share this tasteful piece of merchandise my football club have put out.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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There's something about the recording quality which makes this sound like Andrew Bridgen is in fact Peter O'Hanrahanrahan

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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sinky posted:

Stolen from USPOL
https://twitter.com/Relentlessbored/status/1191489878724403200

:thermidor: :thermidor:

(also his wife killed 2 people while driving their boat and will be fined as much as $10000)

This is a take so staggeringly bad that it really beggars belief.

Also, fair play, that last line "I just need to pull up my socks...oh wait I don't have socks" is very funny

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Doccykins posted:

James, Cleverly avoiding questions from Kay Burley

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1192003392677261312

One of his better media appearances.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tiger Millionaire posted:

Extremely weird they're making her the Face of the party, understandable about BoJo because he's been in public spotlight for years and years, and same with Corbz as he represents the ideological shift away from centrist Labour and has the voting record to prove it.

But Jo?

When Chuka said their campaign should put a vain, Tory-loving narcissist as the centre-point he was really disappointed when they picked Jo.

Debbie Does Dagon posted:

That's pretty much just the Democrats "when they go low, we go high", which in their case just means roll over and let the Republicans gently caress them

Except that "when they go lie we go high" is an explicit attack on the Conservatives for being liars, not just once or twice but habitually. It's nothing like the meek Democrat answer.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I'll be honest, I only started posting in UKMT because it seemed like a rare leftish community in the hell that was the early coalition years. I think specifically it was reading Spangly A posts about his experience with the benefits system that made me realise this was a cool place to hang. So I can't say the thread radicalised me at all or changed my politics, but I am at least glad I found somewhere online that I could talk about politics and not feel like a mad outlier. I will say that the thread put somewhat of a dent in my support for Scottish independence at least.

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