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DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

evilweasel posted:

rudy does, uh, not strike me as the type to fall on his sword instead of lashing out in a rage throwing everyone else under the bus

Yeah, and furthermore I don't see how you convince the hero of this whole debacle to fall on his sword......

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DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Wylie posted:

Congress needs a better AV club, these kids they've got running the PowerPoint ain't it

I would give all the tea in China to hear the Pornhub intro jingle chime in during the hearing.....

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

LtStorm posted:

So the Javelin anti-tank missiles keep coming up and I remember it also being said there was a condition Ukraine could not use those against Russian tanks, making them pointless.

Was that a part of this? Obviously the Republicans aren't going to talk about what the Javelins were used for, just that they're better than blankets.

The Javelin's the Trump admin sold to Ukraine had the warheads removed and filled with blankets.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Sanskrit Scat posted:

gently caress yeah Maloney is doing some Hollywood poo poo right here

No ticket

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

I remember the first girl I kissed (at Epstein's Mansion)......

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Party Plane Jones posted:

Quote this post if you want the ‘I want nothing’ Gang Tag whenever it gets uploaded.

For myself so I can just blindly search through pages and find people quoting these lines: Mohican

Pour some sugar on me (or not, I don't care).

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Andronian posted:

Who has the final authority to plainly rule on whether what was done on the call is legally wrong?

The Senate decides (like a jury).

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Andronian posted:

like i just feel like in almost any other trial there’s some sort of he said she said thing going on, where we don’t have the official transcript public and we kinda have to take the witness’ word on what happened on the call and what words were said

but NOBODY DISPUTES THE TRANSCRIPT. so like ?????

I think what you're feelings/describing is what will be the audacity for the Senate Republican's to rule that what Trump did wasn't a crime with such a preponderance of evidence.


Welcome to hellworld friend. Your ticket # is 9,998,383,750,000 (Bonus Respect Points for whomever gets the reference).

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

BarbarianElephant posted:

With enough conservatives in the Supreme Court they can just switch their interpretation of the constitution depending whether the President is Republican or Democrat.

I mean, this is in essence where its already heading. Being able to make a ruling that pertains only to the specifics of that one case and in no way is allowed to shape/guide future judgments is exactly that.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

my bony fealty posted:

...liberal decorumsphere...

I know its been repeated often but mainstream liberalism is practically yesterday's conservatism.

AOC and the other gang of up and coming liberal/communist stars are the rebirth of true liberalism, and they ain't hobnobbing with GWB....

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Barry Foster posted:

Nah they're leftists.

I know this seems like splitting hairs but leftism and liberalism really are completely distinct ideologies

That's fair, I've been using them interchangeably (and incorrectly it seems).

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Ogmius815 posted:

Also, you’d have to prove the cactus was a natural born citizen at least 35 years old.

President Saguaro 2020! Make America Prickly Again!

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

If Trump loses in 2020, how much will GOP blame these hearings as being why he lost

Dollars to Doughnuts they'll join Trump in doubling down on 'voter fraud' and just claim it was stolen.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

You don't need a defense against any of this if you can spend the whole time taking roll calls..................

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

I could listen to Prof. Karlan go on about this passionately for hours. Its like an impeccably educated version of the raging voice inside my own head.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

eke out posted:

unfortunately he said trump was bad and did a wrong thing a bunch of times, that puts him on the Disloyal Traitor list regardless of the other words that come out of his mouth

Haha yeah this dude is nowhere near enough of a toadie to get the nomination.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

LtStorm posted:

Wait, we have no idea what the Founding Fathers would think? Then what the gently caress has been guiding this country for the past two centuries?

Mostly racism and self aggrandizement.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Herstory Begins Now posted:


impressive that ryan found a tie that is 1/4 as wide as his entire torso

Well to be fair he clearly didnt skip tie day.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Trump isn't getting removed from office via impeachment. It was never going to happen, and still isn't going to happen.



I can't figure out how/where this idea got legs........


The endgame has always been potentially flipping some senate seats and improving 2020 presidential election odds for the Democrats.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

oxsnard posted:

this is certainly the smart prediction, but given what we've learned without a single document being handed over and without questioning trump's cabinet, don't rule out some shocking revelations.

I can't envision any evidence that comes to light that causes a Republican Senate to vote to remove the president.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

oxsnard posted:

people forget how quickly public support just collapsed in SK. I doubt there is anything letting Trump get below 20-25%, but a collapse isn't exactly unprecedented.

I'd wager with such a strong propaganda mechanism in place there is NOTHING that could happen to every tank support like what happened with Nixon.

Since truth is mutable and determined by party handlers, his supporters will never have to deal or reconcile with counter-information that may upset them and cause them to lose support.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

KillHour posted:

He's going to do his absolute best to quietly sweep this all under the rug as quickly as possible and Trump is going to do his absolute best to turn it into a circus.

So to be more succinct McConnell is going to quietly try and sweep this under the big top.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

oxsnard posted:

the reason boomers went to the GOP was because of FYGM. Young people cannot do that unless/until they get rich too. So the chance that millennials shift right as they age is not good

That FYGM attitude can be simulated though by simply taking more away from whatever minority their prospective voters dislike too. Easy Peasy.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

SalTheBard posted:

I don't know if this is a troll or not .....

What does the Reg date (and your heart) tell you?

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

eke out posted:

this is unironically the optimal scenario for the left

Which is precisely why the turtle isn't going to call any witnesses.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

oxsnard posted:

Haley could legitimately win in 2020

Uh, dude, she's a woman. There is no way in hell Republican's as a majority will vote for her.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever


That ornery turtle's outwitted us again!

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Why are you all doing this to yourselves? Just mute the Repubs when they're on and unmute when it goes back to the Dem's for goodness sakes....

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Faustian Bargain posted:

What does this accomplish? Maybe mental health? We talk about how republicans are in their own bubble, but pretending it isn't happening doesn't make it go away. They aren't changing my mind, it's just so infuriating that this is happening and the base eats it up.

Mental health is exactly it. This whole thing is dinner theater anyways. Why let the Republican ghouls have free airtime in your subconscious. Mute them and neuter what insignificant affect they may have on someone who's not a CHUD.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

refleks posted:

Gohmert was a judge. A loving judge. Imagine going on trial and walking into the courtroom seeing that gently caress.

You just know he was one of those "tough on crime" judges that handed out the harshest sentences possible.

And then someone had to remind him the trial hadn't started yet...

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

LegendaryFrog posted:

I disagree. I think Mitch and Trump have full republican support for a no witness show trial. It is the least dangerous option for people like McSalley and Collins. What he doesn’t have the votes for is the looney tunes “let’s call Biden to the stage” conspiracy “let’s read Q drops to the public” trial Trump wants.

Haha, just you wait...

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

the Republicans on the committee seem so disapointed in us all....

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Deteriorata posted:

Conservatives accept that racism is bad, but their solution is to redefine racism to be something they're not, rather than purge themselves of it.

Well one of them is achievable, so no poo poo that's the one they're going to do, rather than accept the dissolution of their ideology.....

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

eke out posted:

what crime was committed that you would predicate an investigation on? being given a job because your dad has political power?

Ya know, as silly/hyperbolic as this sounds, after thinking about it, would that actually be a bad thing?

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

How is it that nobody realizes that Rudy is the hero of this tale?

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Rolabi Wizenard posted:

One way to maybe combat the hurricane of brazen bullshit lies coming out of the right wing would be to perhaps hold them accountable with libel or defamation lawsuits or whatever would be applicable.

Like if Judge Jeannie says Obama is a "danger to this country," that's just opinion, who cares. But if she says he's orchestrating a muslim overthrow of the government, then she needs to be asked for documentation or face some kind of censure or whatever. Hannity keeps insisting that Hillary killed Seth Rich? He'd better phrase that carefully as an opinion, or he'll have to show receipts. Preface all such "opinion" shows with huge disclaimers, and maybe even disclaimers after each commercial break.

We've almost completely lost "truth" and nobody seems willing or able to plant a flag and defend reality anymore.

Well, considering conservative hyper-chuds are being appointed at record rates, its less surprising that folks thing fair application of jurisprudence is a colloquialism and not an actual structural system with fairness/impartiality as its theoretical cornerstone.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Canuckistan posted:

Six or seven hours for this process?

Also, lol motion to adjourn.

Oh wait, that might explain why it's going to take so long. Pubs are going to make this as drawn out as possible for... reasons?

They're kind of staging a ghetto filibuster insomuch as they're going to run the clock as long as they can just to 'stick it to the dems' on the committee.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Scooter_McCabe posted:

The GOP is a dying political party. When they saw the surge caused by Trump entering politics they made a Faustian bargain for a few more years of relevance. The impeachment is essentially speeding up their demise either way. If Trump gets impeach and removed, all that support evaporates and becomes disorganized. If he doesn't, the efforts to protect him will hopefully galvanize everyone left of center to sweep these fuckers out of politics.

This is wrong and dangerous thinking.

The GOP isn't dying, they're just morphing into a political party in power with only a small % of the population as their voting supporters. Its far more likely that the future looks like a republican President/Senate-House with excessive electoral counts and ~35% total votes. It will take a very long time to un-gerrymander the country.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

theflyingorc posted:

Yeah, that's not true. It's likely for them to get the Senate, yes, but the house and presidency are not even close to guaranteed.

Perhaps not the house, but I'm not sure how you can feel safe about the Presidency when the President won off the back of Russian propaganda and is actively engaging foreign entities to hurt his rivals and win the next election. Why should we believe if Trump succeeds that it won't be the new modus-operandi for maintaining presidential hegemony?

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DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

Lets all keep in mind the terrible precedent this now sets as we finally realize that Republicans will now 'Really Really Really' try and impeach every Democrat president immediately upon them taking office instead of just 'really really really' trying.....

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