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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Braggart posted:

So while looking for something new to make fun of Boris for, I accidentally stumbled on a Spectator article comparing notable Tories to figures from classical Greece and Rome. You see, Boris is like Pericles because he likes younger women and the sound of his own voice, and the article continues in just as deeply considered a fashion.


Now, while this may seem pretty shallow, it's still better-researched than Boris Johnson's historical allusions. And who could deny that Tony Blair's devolution measures were like the division of the Roman Empire into two halves? In fact I would argue that the upcoming referendum on Scottish independence will be the beginning of our Crisis of the Third Century, with Corbyn of Gallia and Sturgeon of Palmyra striking at the embattled center, led by the noble Emperor Boris.

Oh god, The Spectator is awful. Tory MPs as Harry Potter characters would be as useful.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jose posted:

this would loving own instead of what we'd actually get

https://twitter.com/mattsymonds/status/1201061723349901312?s=20

Oh cool, this was written by the guy who wrote that mental biography of Corbyn, Dangerous Hero. Which, well, Peter Oborne's review is quite good: https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truth

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/Orwell_Fan/status/1065597151709995008?s=20

Hurry up & give this man a book deal

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Poison Jam posted:

Should’ve slammed the door in his loving face

tories delenda est

Satisfying as that would be, it's better to waste his time.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jose posted:

Is the 170 missed posts a meltdown or what

Someone posted a rumour and it got discussed intimately for several pages. Also there was a crap ITV debate. Why yes, I've just caught up too.

Whomever posted The New Yorker article on how shite The Economist is. Tah, I enjoyed that.

My only contribution to Queen chat is if she is and we've managed a 24 hour ban on the coverage that's super weird. I just can't see someone in a foreign broadcaster or news agency reporting it even if our own press stays shtum

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 2, 2019

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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In marginally more serious news

https://twitter.com/butwhatifitsall/status/1201288614329692161?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1201283273189711875?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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He's a genuinely stupid twat.

I can't remember which newspaper he writes for. Telegraph probably

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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RockyB posted:

So close, think just a little more!

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1201294584992677889?s=20

#libdemfightback. And STILL the conservatives are apparently making gains.

Anyway, time to go to bed. Plenty of time to interpret the runes of dead queens in the morning

https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1201276343914250241

https://twitter.com/immolations/status/1201303119923167237?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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unwantedplatypus posted:

Have the greens said they won't coalition with Corbyn?

The Greens will have 1 MP.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gibbo & Cheeks (how the gently caress is he not Cheesky? C'mon LADS) & co will go down as legends.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Ms Adequate posted:

Going to be true galaxy brain poo poo when the queen's death is announced in a couple of hours and nae oval office believes it

If Gibbo is right (and who are you to doubt El Dandy Gibbo?) we'll get confirmation in 15 minutes. If we don't get it then obviously the BBC have decided to keep it from us because the election being extended by weeks would benefit Labour.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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My own name is apparently Gaelic for Crooked Nose which is cool.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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The only thing I can ever think about when someone mentions John Redwood is when he was Welsh Secretary under Major and went to the Welsh Tory Conference and acted like a dumbass when they were singing the Welsh anthem because he didn't know the words and clearly had never even heard the tune before.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Brown Moses posted:

Maybe you should stop treating politics like a cult.

You can find your nearest skip and dive head first in because this is absolute trash. It's not a cult, it is quite literally a matter of life and death. The only reason I support Jeremy Corbyn is because he's the leader of a political party with a manifesto which will materially improve my conditions and those of millions more. Dismissing it as a cult is cretinous.

Pretending to be above it all doesn't make you seem smart, at best it makes you seem to have a callous disregard for the people harmed by all these years of austerity. At worst it makes you come across as in favour of the worst excesses of the Tories. You'd not be the first person from a family who'd been hosed by Tory governments to decide it's better to join the fucker than be the hosed.

Like, okay, the document was leaked by the perfidious Eastern Slav. Why does it matter? Why is it, as Reuters claimed, disinformation? Can you see why the use of the word disinformation is an implied impinging the truth of the document? Can you see why the source doesn't actually matter, if Daniel Ellsberg had released the Pentagon Papers because he was a Soviet asset that doesn't make it a bad thing the documents have come to light.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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gh0stpinballa posted:

incredibly shocked that the open source journalist funded by loving NATO and the CIA is ready to believe anything at all about russia

That's not fair, furiously masturbating to photos of dead Arabs is the only kind of journalism that matters.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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radmonger posted:

When you have reached the point of cheering on the likely murder of a charity worker then you should maybe stop and think about who you are identifying with and why.

Unlike Stalin, loving Putin is not even nominally a leftist, so openly worshipping his power and deadliness doesn’t have even the flimsiest of justifications.

1) Making a joke isn't cheering on.
2) Nobody is openly worshipping Putin, what the gently caress are you talking about you loon?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

So basically the way politics works in Vicky is there are ideologies, and each class of population has (theoretically) interests and an ideology they naturally incline to. Capitalists are Liberal, obviously, craftsmen (factory workers) are Socialist, farmers (I think) are Conservative, etc. But there's other inputs to the system: each POP has a consciousness score and a militancy score, basically how politically aware they are and how pissed off they are. With low consciousness, a POP might vote against its interest, I think usually for whatever the local Conservative party. Militancy is more interesting, in that it makes the POP more radical.

So, there are four base ideologies in the game: Liberal (voting rights for all, laissez-faire capitalism), Conservative (resist change), Socialist (controlled economy but also no democracy??) and Fascist (WAAAAAR). The first three of these also have radicalised variant ideologies that a POP will switch to when it's mad. Conservatives go Reactionary, Socialists go Communist, and Liberals... go Anarcho-Liberal.

Because the devs needed a "radicalised" version of liberalism and had never heard of the Jacobins or the, heh, Radicals, I guess. That's the root of the whole problem: an overly-schematised game design awkwardly attempting to fit the entire political spectrum of the 19th century.

The lack of any sort of non-authoritarian socialism is born of a similar kludge: the game has two sets of "reforms" you can pass, like laws that determine how your country works: political reforms (voting rights) and social reforms (workers rights). Liberals are for political reforms and will compromise on social reforms if things are going badly. Socialists are for social reforms and will compromise on political reforms. Conservatives will resist both. They had a slot to fill and they squashed socialism into it.

It dumb.

All that said, they should really make Vicky 3

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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gh0stpinballa posted:

one thing i've always found deeply bizarre about chapo trap house is why they're so cavalier about nicknaming their fans "grey wolves" when they would definitely poo poo the bed if say podcast is praxis started calling their listeners the klan.

Firstly I'd seriously doubt the irony poisoned dirtbag left podcast would gets mad about that. As for why they call them Grey Wolves, you have to go back to early episodes. They've always had a thing about Turkey, Erdogan and Gulen. It comes from Felix.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

Deport them to where exactly?

One of them will be deported to Papua New Guinea & the other to New Zealand.

I mean yeah, it's loving absurd obviously.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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PawParole posted:

Anarchists are just liberals dressed in black

loving nora no.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1202163097697427456?s=20

This is fun

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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marktheando posted:

Oh wow nice I got a misleading Tory leaflet (actual results in 2017 here, Labour 54%, SNP 22%, Con 19%, Lib Dem 2%)



lol at doing that in Edinburgh South, the only seat Labour are absolutely expected to retain in Scotland.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Mega Comrade posted:

The small print says 'across Scotland' so that chart is actually accurate. Misleading as hell but not technically a lie.

Nobody is saying it's a lie, just that it's blatantly misleading disinformation. Sorry, I forgot, it's 2019, dezinformatsiya.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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PriorMarcus posted:

So, genuine question; what happens when Labour looses and we get a Tory majority large enough to push their legislation? Because, honestly, that's looking like the most likely scenario right now.

What are everyone's personal plans for survival?

I'm thinking it's time to look at moving abroad into Europe before Brexit shuts out that option, because I don't think their will be anything left here for me.

What about Labour? I think it's fair to say that Corbyn needs to stand down after this. If he looses another GE to this opposition then he's clearly just bad at getting elected. You can argue, correctly, that the media is biased against him, but he's also very bad at playing that game, etc.

Thoughts?

Moving abroad is a luxury. Lucky for you if you can, but my hopes are "win the lottery" so woohoo.

As for what about Labour? Well why'd you care if you're loving off? But for those of us stuck here? To be honest I don't see the value in worrying about hypotheticals at this point, this is the leader we have for this campaign, just get the gently caress on with it. If you're worried about the result then get out and campaign. Knock on doors, phone bank, even just convince your friends & family, especially if they are in constituencies that Labour have a chance in. Donate to the campaign. Whatever you can do, do. The polling isn't worth worrying about. Just do the job, try to get Labour candidates elected and at the end of the day no matter what the result we can look back on the morning of the 13th December knowing that we could do no more. Then we can have the leadership conversation. Until then it's just pissing in the wind. Not even contemplating Labour losing. Far as I'm concerned, until the polls close & the exit poll is announced I am just assuming Labour will win every seat they are standing in because why the gently caress would you not vote for this manifesto?

Also, you've keep typing loose when you mean lose.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Dec 5, 2019

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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mediaphage posted:

I see this bandied about a fair bit. What’s the definition of lose, here? The media will say he’s lost unless he gets an outright majority.

Yeah, if Labour don't improve their number of MPs then that's a bad result. It's 9 and a half years of Tory misrule. 40 years of neoliberalism. If we can't make gains in these circumstances even with a poisonous media it's a problem because the media isn't changing on its own volition.

I'd be disappointed if we're not the largest party at least. We need to be in government.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Why did Jeremy Corbyn decide it was worthwhile lying about not watching the Queen at Christmas? Does anyone normal?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bundy posted:

Did he though? I thought he said he watched it "in the morning" implying Boxing Day morning.

Going from the transcript of it

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1202209430596726784?s=20

It's just loving dumb. All the poo poo going against Labour & he flubs a nothing question, hard not to be irked by it. So pointless.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Cerebral Bore posted:

Why did you decide that it's worthwhile to trust tabloid headlines?

Why did you think I'm a loving moron who only gets his news from tabloid headlines?

He hosed up mate. It's okay, you can say that. Denying it happened is loving creepy.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

So he didn't say he does when he doesn't, he gave a waffly answer which would have gone unremarked if he were anyone else. But yeah he could have just said 'no' but that would have caused just as many lovely headlines (or possibly worse).

I quite agree it wouldn't have been front page news if it was anyone else. The point is we know the scales are stacked against us so lets not give them some free ammunition for the love of good. Should it matter? No, clearly not when Boris Johnson is a serial liar on serious issues, this is absolutely loving nothing. But it's an uphill struggle, a media we know is against us, it's just a pointless lie. Sure, the Mail would probably be angry he doesn't watch the speech but no one else would care. The story isn't that, the story is that Corbyn didn't think you could handle the truth so he told a porkie and therefore there is no difference between him & Boris.

I could just do without avoidable mistakes, this election is life & death.

I've never seen the Queens Speech because what the gently caress, why would anyone do that? But for whatever the knowledge it's a 3pm start is embedded in my brain.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Dec 5, 2019

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jel Shaker posted:

Top tip, you’d think “Ant” was the small one, but it’s actually the opposite (I’ve amazed my friends so often knowing which is which)

The answer is clearly Ant is the blind one. Nice & simple.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Laura K's face when she was reading out the results of the exit poll will be my happy place for a long, long time.

Same but that oval office Kinnock's face.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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justcola posted:

A national government has more impact than a local candidate.

I've been playing Celeste recently, its been a good distraction. Pretty hard platformer with a lot of replayability and a good underlying message about being sad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70d9irlxiB4

I also caved and got No Truce with the Furies which has also been very good (and also has a good underlying message about being sad...and drug abuse!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTHymGYwIis

e:
And if you can't splash out on games right now, the Internet Archive has a very robust collection: https://archive.org/details/consolelivingroom

I've been playing Kingdom Come Deliverance because walking around 15th century Bohemia is preparing me for what happens if the Tories get a majority.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Exioce posted:

As is envy.

Wanting to see an end to massive inequality isn't envy you snide little shite. It's been proven time & time again that inequality is very bad for society at large.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tesseraction posted:

Anyway here's the Grauniad clutching its pearls about how the rude teens don't read the news but just share memes https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/05/uncovered-reality-of-how-smartphones-turned-election-news-into-chaos

Can someone find a tweet version of this article so I can tell them to start spending more of their budget on news and less on low-effort middle age, middle class self-described centrist opinion writers?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Continuity RCP posted:

If that happens we start talking about soviets

I mean yeah but let us be smart and not needlessly use a Russian word. Just call them workers councils or summat.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Random Integer posted:

Who were the alternatives to Swinson for Lib Dem leadership? Was she the absolute best options? Shes like a less charismatic Liz Kendall.

Well only Ed Davey (the Deputy Leader) & Jo Swinson got nominated. The rules required you to be a Lib Dem MP, so that meant there were only 11 to choose from in May 2019 (they had 12 but 1 quit over Brexit). Tim Farron & Vince Cable were both failed previous leaders so that takes you down to 9 possible candidates. Of those 9, 4 were first elected to Westminster in 2017. So then you're left with Ed Davey, Tom Brake, Alistair Carmichael, Norman Lamb & Jo;. Brake, Carmichael & Lamb all ruled themselves out of consideration and Jo; is your winner.

Shambles of a party, just do away with them tbh

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Mega Comrade posted:

I defend my 2010 vote with New Labour were loving poo poo and my constituency at the time was a choice between lib dems or John loving Redwood.

I only voted Lib Dem in 2005 when they were the only major anti-war party and honestly could've been to the left of New Labour in general. New Labour were such loving trash.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Angepain posted:

i regret to say i have stared into the abyss that is What Wings Over Scotland is Doing These Days, and can share that he is now endorsing voting for Johann Lamont in the Glasgow South constituency. Lamont was leader of the labour party during the 2014 independence referendum and was a constant target of his vitriol over that time, but she's also a transphobe so he's now fine voting for her against the SNP candidate who has said mean things about him and doesn't hate trans people

or he would be, if he lived in Scotland, which he doesn't for some reason

the state of this man. the state.

So the guy whose entire thing, entire raison d'être, was Scottish nationalism has gotten bored and decided to replace it with transphobia. Sigh. He really is a massive shite and the fact that he's not been completely ostracised from the "Yes movement" is a blot on its record.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

Labour has gone to mumsnet right back to at least milliband, which, I mean, makes sense because young families are a key group for labour. Milliband famously did quite well there.

Brown did a Q&A on there too. I remember because he didn't answer it & then 24 hours later answered it on Twitter "anything with chocolate on it". It was extremely dumb but people turned it into a thing because media bad.

I don't even know. I mean a chocolate digestive is nice dunked in a cuppa tea but I don't know that I'd call it a favourite. But then I'd just rather have a bar of chocolate than a biscuit anyway.

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