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 It's the 20s so get ready for a lot of people posting flappers and swing dancing and forgetting what happened at the end of that decade!  Finally out of a decade that started with Gordon Brown ceding the narrative to the fascist papers, Alan Johnson passing some terrible and illegal legislation during washup shenanigans, the fash rags supporting Tories anyway in a huge shock, people pissed off that New Labour were just another bunch of authoritarian bawbags hopping on the Cleggmania wagon, which immediately fell over and a bunch of clowns exited and joined up with the Tories, there was a promised Great Repeal Bill that never happened, austerity was the worst loving economic decision ever made and a deliberate ideological choice that murdered hundreds of thousands, the Olympics opening ceremony brought together millions who weren't the homeless and sex workers chased out of London for the event, David Cameron promised an EU referendum afraid of UKIPs, accidentally won a majority because of a bacon sandwich and a monolith, hosed a dead pig, hosed a country, doot doo doo right, Home Sec now PM, hostile environment ramped up to 10, Windrush deportations, held an election against a fractured disorganized Labour party led by an anti-authoritarian leftist and lost her entire majority, Brexit stalls as nobody can agree on anything, and in the final moments of the decade a golem made out of racism and public school games involving biscuits wins a majority promising Brexit by the end of January. Also the housing stock is still covered in flammable cladding despite a massive tragedy.  Subcomandante Marcos posted:In our dreams we have seen another world, an honest world, a world decidedly more fair than the one in which we now live. We saw that in this world there was no need for armies; peace, justice and liberty were so common that no one talked about them as far-off concepts, but as things such as bread, birds, air, water, like book and voice. This is how the good things were named in this world. And in this world there was reason and goodwill in the government, and the leaders were clear-thinking people; they ruled by obeying. This world was not a dream from the past, it was not something that came to us from our ancestors. It came from ahead, from the next step we were going to take. And so we started to move forward to attain this dream, make it come down and sit at our tables, light our homes, grow in our cornfields, fill the hearts of our children, wipe our sweat, heal our history. And it was for all. This is what we want. Nothing more, nothing less. Now we follow our path toward our true heart to ask it what we must do. We will return to our mountains to speak in our own tongue and in our own time. Thank you to the brothers and sisters who looked after us all these days. May your footsteps follow our path. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyway fellow threaders - here are some numbers which might come in handy over the holidays: In Other News  • Virgin Trains cease operations on the West Coast Main Line after running trains on the line since 9 March 1997. • Jo Swinson resigns as Leader of the Liberal Democrats after losing her constituency seat, lol. • The High Court rules that the Home Office's £1,012 child citizenship fee is unlawful. • Andrew Bailey is appointed as Governor of the Bank of England, effective from February 2020. • Tesco halts production of Christmas cards made in obvious prison camps with poor product screening. • The RSPCA begins an investigation after Jolyon Maugham QC tweeted that he killed a fox with a baseball bat. • Iain Duncan Smith is welcomed into the same club as Sir Cyril Smith and Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile. • 31 days until Brexit. • Planet's dyin' Cloud.  19-Twenty UKMT General Elexmas 2019 - casually eating surstromming UKMT November 2019 - Andrew Can't Denounce Epstein Properly UKMT October 2019 - Johnson Forced to Extend [Everything About It] UKMT September 2019 - A Pro-Roguelike Set In A Dystopian Failed State/A Fish-Abandoning Government UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully UKMT July 2019 - A more cheerful Brexit/BBC for slutty communists All Previous Threads (thanks Pesky Splinter) 20/20 Vision Europol Thread Scotpol Thread Trainchat Thread Political Cartoons Thread C-SPAM: BREXIT BYOB: UKMT Twenty One Pilots Podcasting is Praxis - The official podcast of the UKMT with UKMT goons talking into microphones about things. Off the Fence - Brighton based, covering UK & Global topics. Pretty chill and professional peeps. Older 'casts can be found in the PLATFORM B archive. Reel Politik - The Original Leftie Hate Trolls. Check 'em out. We Don't Talk About The Weather - Two cool guys discuss news and other stuff. The second-most UKMT-iest of Podcasts. Desolation Radio - Socialism from a Welsh perspective. Informative hosts. Revolutionary Despatches - Two new guys starting out. Connected & Disaffected - Breezy discussions of lefty social, and historical topics, and news updates. Pretty Good. Trashfuture - Theme of the week style podcast about capitalism and how much it fucks up. Cool podcasters, sometimes working with Reel Politik Agitpod - Owen Jones & Ellie Mae O’Hagan discuss news. Reasons to Be Cheerful - Former Labour leader Ed "Red Ed" Milliband and Geoff Lloyd shoot the poo poo, and discuss general politics. Sometimes with guests. Novara Media - Numerous fluctucating commentators including Matt Zarb-Cousin, Max Shanly, and James Butler among others. Varying topics with guests. [Citations Needed] - Covers the US, focussing on the media, PR, and assorted bullshit. Also some socialist history topics. Very informative. Chapo House Media - More US focused, from a leftist perspective. Basically a US version of Reel Politik, but with better mics. Worth a listen. General Intellect Unit - Podcast of the Cybernetic Marxists. Examining the intersection of Technology, (Left) Politics, and Philosophy; decently in-depth and theory-driven as podcasts go. Alpha 2 Omega - Tom O'Brien talks political strategy. Requires Improvement - Podcast of lefty teachers exploring all things education, from a socialist perspective. Swampside Chats - "The highest communist podcast" Catch Twenty-Two Stop, Thief!: The Commons, Enclosures, And Resistance – Peter Linebaugh Demanding The Impossible - David Morland Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism - Peter Marshall Chav Solidarity - D. 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The Effortpost's Graveyard (thanks goddamnedtwisto and UKMT goons) Join us on synIRC for Question Time Awfulness and Stuff #ukgoons on synIRC (thanks crispix). Or on Discord for other UKMT Chat and Podcast Conspiring https://discord.gg/QErneZT  Do Not Post In This Thread:
learnincurve posted:Need something added to every OP. DWP have been told not to tell sanctioned people about this. It's the end of a decade In another ten years time Who can say what we'll find What lies waiting down the line In the end of twenty-nine  Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Laradus posted:Was hoping you'd let the old thread get to 420 at least. Let's get this thread to the skunk cannabis page and hope that at least one fear from the 00s dies for good in this decade.  HJB posted:Jools Holland is the WWE of NYE shows, I am comfortable with my decision.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Counterpoint: this is a decade in which thatcher won’t die, and that’s a shame. Also the first decade in which Blair might shuffle off to the Hague in the sky.
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This will be the decade of undead Meghan Markles vs. whatever force is still propelling Prince Philip and his army of white Landrover Defenders with no breaklights. e: 2 is the smallest and only even prime number, and the only prime that appears in 2020 twice.
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baka kaba posted:Kylie's on doing the locomotion, 2020!!!!
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WhatEvil posted:That's a lame snipe.
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Charlie will personally fund a constellation of navigation satellites to watch for Fiat Unos the minute that it looks like he's next in line. Between him and Andrew we'll get the next operational navigation cluster up and running.
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Jose posted:Happy new year goons check out these cool photos. Rip bozza efb
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Scotland north of The Grampians is 90% men in kilts and string vests throwing cannonballs and tree trunks at each other.
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Given that one of the three is provable, that doesn't bode well for the other two.
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I was going to make a joke yesterday that he would eventually just come out and say "hell yeah I molest my own kids, u mad jews" and stand there beaming with pride and expecting applause but figured it far fetched and in poor taste. Reality continues to surpass farce. Strong start to 2020.
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OwlFancier posted:Something in his past about fiddling funds too.
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OwlFancier posted:About the only thing I can find on the list is that he voted against fracking regulation, which is odd given he was generally pro environmentalist otherwise. Might be a jobs thing. But other than that I couldn't find anything I'd disagree with. Also it doesn't work in UK geology.
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Jose posted:Unless you know the game and build to just do good damage with a gun __\ 
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Jippa posted:Entirely depressing and predictable. expanding- 
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Apraxin posted:Graun liveblog: e: There are 6 symbolic foods Seder Plate, and 6 features in a bunch of other places in Abrahamic religions and also in benzene molecules. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Jan 2, 2020 |
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gh0stpinballa posted:are babies capitalist. was boss baby a documentary. Baby Corp in Boss Baby literally represents the natal-industrial complex that the family becomes part of under the capitalist system.
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gh0stpinballa posted:i am gonna treat every baby i meet with total contempt from now on, those parasites, those *hoglets*
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thespaceinvader posted:"Does not work, relies on extraction of surplus value from labour for income' applies pretty strongly to children, I think? The whole idea is that they are to be shaped into the workers and consumers by their upbringing within the system, it's the means of production of the means of production.
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I think about sex every 5 seconds. Specifically the deficiencies of the sociological model of sex and gender under late capitalism.  baka kaba posted:*ralph wiggum waving an IOU for a dollar* 
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radmonger posted:The bread maker gets better shoes and the shoemaker gets better bread.  thespaceinvader posted:How do you build parallel material structures when the only sources of material are capitlism? On the shoulders of assholes.
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Purple Prince posted:I mean this is where any project that aims to change how stuff works has a contradiction. You have to get the materials from somewhere, and in a capitalist system that will obviously have some relationship to capital. That doesn't mean what you build has to be a capitalist project. Otherwise the USSR selling gas to the West would make it non-Communist. The Underground Railroad network in the US was a mass undertaking starting in the antebellum South and involving the efforts and material of both abolitionists and enslaved African Americans, but saying "the Underground Railroad network was bad because it used slave labor" would be a take so spicy I don't think even Spiked Online would touch it although I'm not going to toxx on that because they'll probably one up me by February. Every parallel structure comes of opposition to the material conditions that created it. Purple Prince posted:that's the whole point I was making about how 21st century British capitalism differs from the conditions that Marx / Lenin / Mao were analysing, where the underclass had literally no capital. That's not the same thing as the petit-bourgeois storekeeper, it's more like Orwell's commentary on slumlords "Ideally, the worst type of slum landlord is a fat wicked man, preferably a bishop, who is drawing an immense income from extortionate rents. Actually, it is a poor old woman who has invested her life’s savings in three slum houses, inhabits one of them, and tries to live on the rent of the other two—never, in consequence, having any money for repairs."
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Purple Prince posted:The old woman in that case is surely a capitalist, but she's also not really wall fodder. I don't think Marx really addresses capital ownership on the micro scale, and obviously it became a big deal for kulaks and peasant landowners in Russia and China, so this seems like an area where you could get a rich seam of theory and practice. It is important to separate resentment for her as a bad landlord from resentment for the whole system that forced parts of the working class into that cycle. Venomous posted:I do think Combat Liberalism is a good and important text, but I am in no way a Maoist, because Mao was loving horrible from the Great Leap Forward onwards and praising Mao in practice is akin to praising Stalin You can be a Stalinist without praising Stalin himself, and I don't have a secret shrine to Josip Broz Tito in my under stairs cupboard or anything*, but I think Titoism had a lot of useful thought in it for multinational socialist states in a post-Soviet world. * 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Resentment? As far as I can tell, Purple Prince is arguing that leftists need to reckon with the more complicated relations with capital of our modern populations compared to the relations of a hundred years ago. Resentment has nothing to do with that. Because people understandably resent slumlords, especially when they are in slum conditions.
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radmonger posted:Except the same is true of billionaires (tho maybe not Bond villains). A system with certain properties has those properties. Some of those inside it would prefer it to have different properties. Specifically, ones that let them eat in the morning and sleep at night.
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I'm saying it's fine to resent Jeff Bezos in a way that it wouldn't be to resent the widowed slumlord in the 1890s. The 1890s equivalent would be resenting John Rockefeller or something.
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Venomous posted:These are fair points and no, in theory authcoms like Maoists and Titoists don't have to praise the dictators they align themselves with, however: Or Christians who don't listen to a drat thing Christ said.  feedmegin posted:What even is Stalinism without the cult of Stalin? He had his political theory stuff ghostwritten, he was never much of an intellectual. Braggart posted:Wouldn't that be the hips? 
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Braggart posted:Whoa, okay, and the REALLY white place. This is all the article says about South Africa. You'd think there would be some other important things to mention. Can't see why you'd want to stare too hard at that.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Which leads me to suspect that they might just nuke it. Netanyahu and now Trump too have been itching to nuke Iran for ages.
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Smeef posted:He idolizes the general that managed the Manhattan Project and the head of the Apollo program, as if they have transferable lessons to the peacetime management of national education or something.
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"The Socialist Party and Momentum are active behind Jess Phillips?" What timeline is this one from?
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OwlFancier posted:Which socialist party? I expect they mean the first one though, but the idea of any of them being in league with Momentum to support the Campaign for Jess Phillips is pretty funny.
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Welcoming the Australian submission to the hosed Up Benefits Olympics  https://twitter.com/manwithoutatan/status/1212523812681666560
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Braggart posted:book of centrist fairy tales.
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OwlFancier posted:Or possibly just RITAIN I can't be sure.
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Jedit posted:Or just read Puckoon instead. e: Leinster has 12 counties. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:I'm interpreting that as the pejorative use of gay being part of the syllabus. Like "this switch is being well gay and you have to fix it" Skip the one on keeping kids off the tracks.
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It was never proven to be a lie, but that's likely only because Diane gets so much abuse from stupid lovely pricks that she doesn't memorize every time some edgy chancer does it.
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Pesky Splinter posted:"As a working class who grew up on council pop, I find it shameful that members of my own party voted against the Tory 'Kill the Poor Act 2020'. It's bad that the Tories do want to kill the poors, but as I discussed in conversation with my BFF Jacko Moggs, we really should know our place as social inferiors. Also Babs."
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