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Scoops My Goops posted:Okay but that's because your forums have been on fire for weeks. I am very much a poster here, I don't watch gaming streams and I was absolutely there last night not under this name to let you know everything here was engulfed in flames.
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smarxist posted:lol if you had a couple hundred bucks you could probably get this site seized by the FBI w/r/t to the photos it serves up next to people's thousands of posts and how long it takes to fix cop
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smarxist posted:because the solution to that problem isn't "god i hope nobody thinks of this very basic thing" Literally why the hell would you talk about this in a thread that you know is being watched by bad actors? Do you just want to punish Lowtax in a passive aggressive way?
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Lowtax posted:Because I have never had that many viewers on my channel, and I have posted links to it here before. Again, I don't have proof that this happened, I definitely can't point to specific users here and go 'they were loving with you', I'm not suggesting there's anything you can really do about this possibility right now. But SA is a big forum and not all the bigots are stupid enough to be obvious about it, so you might have been getting steered towards banning trans posters without your knowledge.
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Pick posted:Literally why the hell would you talk about this in a thread that you know is being watched by bad actors? Do you just want to punish Lowtax in a passive aggressive way? smarxist posted:because the solution to that problem isn't "god i hope nobody thinks of this very basic thing"
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CascadeBeta posted:I'm pretty sure I did, at some point. I'm still not sure what personal attacks he's referring to from the trans issues thread. The worst I've seen is people telling him to gently caress off or to grow up after our immediate feedback was ignored. I think he's referring to the personal insults in the C-SPAM truth and reconciliation thread, where in addition to being called "violently transphobic" he was also accused of being a Fentanyl addict.
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Pick posted:Literally why the hell would you talk about this in a thread that you know is being watched by bad actors? Do you just want to punish Lowtax in a passive aggressive way?
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Bob Socko posted:You banned Snoo because dummies on YouTube told you to.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I don't want you or other trans posters to feel hurt, but I don't think what you're asking for (to not get hurt) is actually possible within the capability of these forums. Anyone can sign up for these forums, and bans/probations are inherently reactive, not proactive. Shitheads are going to get through the cracks particularly if they see vulnerable targets, and short of ensconcing subforums into airtight bubbles I don't think there's any realistic way to prevent that. This takes sucks. The bans+30s were almost exclusively people dogwhistling transphobia or outright blasting transphobia on full blast. That's not hostility, that's bigotry. It's a lot of the stuff you'll see bought for trans posters' custom AVs from transphobes, like calling us mentally ill or misgendering us deliberately, digging through post history to find depressed posts from before we transitioned, or that weird barney thing tashi got. It was all like that.
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Lowtax posted:Yeah and I remember asking you how. Ok?
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I'm starting to lean towards this thread being closed while Lowtax talks to the mod team and reads QCS. Re-arguing the trans thread blunders might be useful in the future but right now it feels like it is getting in the way of things and is just a way for Lowtax to get distracted.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:I think he's referring to the personal insults in the C-SPAM truth and reconciliation thread, where in addition to being called "violently transphobic" he was also accused of being a Fentanyl addict. Someone accused him of being a drunkard too. I don't know why the standard of harassment is always different for Lowtax, like he's not a person.
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really queer Christmas posted:Gonna go ahead and say I thought the "barney is a slur" thing was a bit of an overdramatic statement from posters but uh, wow that av. Jesus Christ. anybody who has paid any attention to the “ok” sign meme on the right should not be surprised in the slightest.
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CascadeBeta posted:This takes sucks. The bans+30s were almost exclusively people dogwhistling transphobia or outright blasting transphobia on full blast. That's not hostility, that's bigotry. It's a lot of the stuff you'll see bought for trans posters' custom AVs from transphobes, like calling us mentally ill or misgendering us deliberately, digging through post history to find depressed posts from before we transitioned, or that weird barney thing tashi got. It was all like that.
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Lowtax posted:Nobody told me to ban anybody. I wasn't even reading the chat actively at that point. I was just banning people who were posting either direct insults, or trying to take words I said out of context (like I predicted in the stream) to make me look like a transphobe. That picture you banned snoo for included proper context of you only talking about the trans people from one particular thread. "Hoo boy this is a bad loving look" is not the same thing as "violently transphobic."
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm starting to lean towards this thread being closed while Lowtax talks to the mod team and reads QCS. Re-arguing the trans thread blunders might be useful in the future but right now it feels like it is getting in the way of things and is just a way for Lowtax to get distracted. If Lowtax wants to close the thread, he has the ability.
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CharlestheHammer posted:yeah like just delegate to people the forum has some trust in, you have your own poo poo that is keeping you busy we understand that. but right now the task is going to need a lot of effort to fix and having someone more plugged in would help I gotta agree, the first priority probably needs to be getting some admins who the community approves of or at least doesn't object to outright so they can attend to the queue. There are literal software / mechanical "the forums work like this" barriers to dynamic moderation that can't be easily removed and serve a purpose, but those barriers were put up years ago when you had way more active admins. It breaks down when there aren't enough admins in enough timezones to mash all the buttons that need mashed. It sucks and needs addressed. It's not your fault exactly but you are the only one with the power to fix this part of things.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm starting to lean towards this thread being closed while Lowtax talks to the mod team and reads QCS. Re-arguing the trans thread blunders might be useful in the future but right now it feels like it is getting in the way of things and is just a way for Lowtax to get distracted. Yes with be caveat maybe a couple of the more reasonable normal posters be involved in said discussion because the admin team is the sole reason this mess is this bad to begin with, and I suspect "we had no idea!" would be a defense
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CharlestheHammer posted:maybe just empowering someone from the trans thread to that weird super mod thing would do a lot here. Give them the power to be proactive
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Lightning Knight posted:anybody who has paid any attention to the “ok” sign meme on the right should not be surprised in the slightest. Yeah, if the explanation of why something like full metal Barney is funny is "it's fyad culture you wouldn't get it" you're safe in assuming it's just slurs.
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Paramemetic posted:I gotta agree, the first priority probably needs to be getting some admins who the community approves of or at least doesn't object to outright so they can attend to the queue. I'm saying no one will ultimately ever meet this standard because there's a desire to tear down anyone who ends up in a power position on this site.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm starting to lean towards this thread being closed while Lowtax talks to the mod team and reads QCS. agreedo you can hold lowtax to task for things he's posted but doing it in the thread that should be about figuring out how to better the forum when he's the sole person with the power to fix anything just means the forum keeps burning
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CharlestheHammer posted:maybe just empowering someone from the trans thread to that weird super mod thing would do a lot here. Give them the power to be proactive
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Lightning Knight posted:anybody who has paid any attention to the “ok” sign meme on the right should not be surprised in the slightest. It's r/frenworld all over again.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I'm starting to lean towards this thread being closed while Lowtax talks to the mod team and reads QCS. Re-arguing the trans thread blunders might be useful in the future but right now it feels like it is getting in the way of things and is just a way for Lowtax to get distracted. The chat will pop up in a new thread, which is why I suggested putting the entire gotdamn forums on ice for a day or so. Like don't get me wrong, I will miss it, but eventually Lowtax is gonna have to stop posting in this thread to day and tempers are going to flare somewhere again. Lowtax, shutdown the forums for a bit while you figure poo poo out, and to also remind us why we all care about, love, and even need these stupid dead gay forums.
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Minrad posted:agreedo They're one in the same. There's a reason why the forums are burning and it's not because we opened our mouths.
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Pick posted:I'm saying no one will ultimately ever meet this standard because there's a desire to tear down anyone who ends up in a power position on this site. it happened to FAU, it happened to r guyovich, and I guess you could say it happened to smythe. it's happening in this thread. the fact that it keeps happening when there's nobody left to pick up the pieces means it's just going to make things worse and maybe lead to the site shutting down, not helping anyone.
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Maybe that this forum goes through incredibly obvious cycles is more indicative of a sensibility in its culture than anything specific to any one person or issue.
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Pick posted:Someone accused him of being a drunkard too. I don't know why the standard of harassment is always different for Lowtax, like he's not a person. I think Lowtax made a joke about being wasted in the stream last night and everyone just assumed he was being serious. I think the people who thought Lowtax was drunk just misunderstood things. The people bringing up fentanyl on the other hand were definitely poo poo stirring.
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Pick posted:I'm saying no one will ultimately ever meet this standard because there's a desire to tear down anyone who ends up in a power position on this site. Then you go with an admin who will rigorously advocate for the most marginalized and vulnerable posters and ignore objections from bigots. There are people on the mod team right now who would make good admins, but who knows if they're willing to accept that, it's a thankless position tbqh
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CascadeBeta posted:I'm pretty sure I did, at some point. I'm still not sure what personal attacks he's referring to from the trans issues thread. The worst I've seen is people telling him to gently caress off or to grow up after our immediate feedback was ignored. There were a lot of people on the youtube chat repeatedly poking at lowtax about his personal situation, it's not a defense at all but if you take a look, it can explain some of all this. Glad people are being heard and right steps being taken.
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Minrad posted:it happened to FAU, it happened to r guyovich, and I guess you could say it happened to smythe. it's happening in this thread. the fact that it keeps happening when there's nobody left to pick up the pieces means it's just going to make things worse and maybe lead to the site shutting down, not helping anyone. I thought R Guyo was a dumbass before he was an admin, thank you. 
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I think people assumed Lowtax was drunk because self destructive actions on new year's eve is the domain of the drunk person.
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Paramemetic posted:Then you go with an admin who will rigorously advocate for the most marginalized and vulnerable posters and ignore objections from bigots. FAU, who I liked very much, did this and he still had a breakdown.
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Minrad posted:it happened to FAU, it happened to r guyovich, and I guess you could say it happened to smythe. it's happening in this thread. the fact that it keeps happening when there's nobody left to pick up the pieces means it's just going to make things worse and maybe lead to the site shutting down, not helping anyone. I don't think you need to defend genocide explainer
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Lowtax posted:I was banning people who were intentionally misrepresenting the things I said, and cherrypicking quotes to make me appear transphobic. I made it clear I was speaking about ONE SINGLE GROUP OF PEOPLE. I should be able to criticize one group of people without that being twisted into suddenly I'm a transphobe. You still dont deny that you said that stuff. I think that's the nub of why people are pissed at you about that stuff specifically. It doesnt matter that it was only a small fraction of what you said, and that some ne'er-do-wells cherrypicked it to make you look bad. The fact that you said that stuff--that you felt ok saying that stuff--is the problem. Despite your claims to being an ally, you were ok with making jokes about a marginalized community, just last night. And posters itt and elsewhere have told you that those kinds of jokes are considered offensive. Are you an ally who listens to marginalized voices, or do you think everyone should loosen up and not get their feelings hurt? You cant have it both ways. You hosed yourself the moment those words came out of your mouth.
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