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LordoftheScheisse posted:I 100% do not have the power to fire, but I do conduct interviews and "make recommendations" to HR for hiring. Am I cool? pretty sure you’re good as long as it’s not Your Decision who you’re hire, but I’m not a lawyer
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LordoftheScheisse posted:Can you expand on this? The difference between "make recommendations" and "decide" can be complicated, and it can also hinge on testimony from a) people who are above you b) people you allegedly "manage," and c) what the practice looked like before you worked there (did your arrival mean a change in the role of the position? e.g., you have MORE influence over hiring/firing than your predecessor). These are just some examples, whether or not someone is a manager in these edge cases is a lot like the supreme court and pornography: they know it when they see it (or, want to see it, depending on the NLRB makeup, which ain't great right now). What can you or can't you do? If you're in favor of unionizing, get it started. You can talk about it, help organize meetings, answer questions, talk to a potential local and union organizer, etc. It's probably NOT wise for you to become THE crucial person in the campaign though, given that there is a possibility you become excluded in the future. Additionally, that's you protecting yourself should you be excluded from the unit, because then management can do whatever the gently caress they want with you (technically you have some protections, but proving anything would be extremely hard without receipts). An experienced union organizer in your field would be more likely to be able to answer the question of how much any of this applies to you.
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You what, we're really at war here so what the hell, we had this out there for a board meeting yesterday, the director wouldn't say hi to me  anything anyone reading this wants to share/etc, solidarity https://twitter.com/GuggenheimUnion/status/1309114064610766850 https://twitter.com/GuggenheimUnion/status/1308752569813082117 https://twitter.com/mountainwawa/status/1308900165986799617
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important piece about how to not get caught while organizing https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3md3v/how-to-organize-your-workplace-without-getting-caught
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please change the union number in the thread title to local 282
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just unionized my nonprofit workplace, we sign all the Documents Monday night 
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abuse culture. posted:just unionized my nonprofit workplace, we sign all the Documents Monday night awesome! i convinced my very small team that the best way to get the raises we deserve is to go to the boss together. it's not much but it's a first!
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abuse culture. posted:just unionized my nonprofit workplace, we sign all the Documents Monday night Frog Act posted:awesome!
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i used information from this thread at my job and it owned. it's a small shop mostly staffed by college kids but the owner is the only management there is and they had been spending less time at work and more time on personal projects and withdrawing their physical labor had caused a lot of friction in the workplace. talking to everyone one-on-one sucked at first, but i just focused on identifying grievances and eventually everyone could name something that was made more difficult by absent ownership. then at the next meeting we all weighed in and convinced the owner that they needed to hire someone who could cover for them/me so we could have some real depth on the roster. it feels like a monkey's paw b/c what we're getting is a general manager but i'm still flying high from hearing everyone weigh in at a staff meeting when usually everyone but me stares at the ground and i have to complain for everyone.
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congratulations, that’s huge when workers organize, things change
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collective action is the greatest high you can ever experience after anything that can actually give you a high, thanks again to everyone contributingDeclan MacManus posted:so, let's say i work in a profession with a low barrier to entry, little government regulation, but it can't be outsourced or automated, let's call it food service for the sake of argument and because it's what i'm talking about bringing this back up b/c i'm curious about this as well. i work in an similar industry, lets call it literally the same thing. simple organizing worked pretty well b/c the owner of my shop really just wants to go back to when it was just them working 70 hour weeks and doing everything by them self. organizing cooks is hard b/c there's a lot of them but a lot of them also work at 'small businesses' so there's only like five cooks at some shops. is cross shop collaboration a thing?
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Direct action gets the goods, folks, that's all I have to say
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Hey folks, I put up a Mutual Aid, Activism and Organizing thread in D&D to hopefully give folks some ideas on how to get engaged more locally and/or beyond electoral politics. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3943326 If you feel so inclined it would be great to have y'all share some of your experiences about organizing your workplaces or other similar sort of endeavors. Thanks!
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kingcobweb posted:i didn't know they did that, it sounds like the old days of showing up to the docks and some guy yells out who's working that day Thats pretty much still how the ILWU does it, or at least it was at the docks I worked at. Also, sometimes you can avoid going through a lengthy unionizing process by simply purchasing the business from your employer and converting ir to a co-operative. Union co-ops are good too but usually not necessary. Most states have a 'Cooperative Development Center' in the region that you can contact for more information. Obviously this doesn't help of you work at Amazon, but if you work at a regio al equipment manufacturing firm owned by some boomer on the edge of retirement it is probably worth your while to explore the option and potentially make an offer before they sell to some larger firm looking to consolidate or just resite production because tax rates are marginally lower in Idaho or whatever. (Full disclosure: I work at a co-op development center.)
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kingcobweb posted:pretty sure you’re good as long as it’s not Your Decision who you’re hire, but I’m not a lawyer Can confirm. Source: my coworker used to be the treasurer for IWW national.
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Crumbskull posted:Thats pretty much still how the ILWU does it, or at least it was at the docks I worked at. Making people show up and throw in for jobs in person can be a surprisingly great way to handle things for a union job bc it balances doing stuff fairly by seniority with letting the young and hungry guys have something they can do (hang around constantly) to get their foot in the door
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shovelbum posted:Making people show up and throw in for jobs in person can be a surprisingly great way to handle things for a union job bc it balances doing stuff fairly by seniority with letting the young and hungry guys have something they can do (hang around constantly) to get their foot in the door Oh for sure, I'd never have gotten any hours if it didn't work like that (didn't keep at it long enough to get my card though).
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In arrangements like that, do the people waiting around for work get any compensation?
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Crumbskull posted:Oh for sure, I'd never have gotten any hours if it didn't work like that (didn't keep at it long enough to get my card though). I saw a guy take a $25000 piss at a union hall one time lol
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:In arrangements like that, do the people waiting around for work get any compensation? Free coffee. One hall has a pool table and you can you still smoke inside. shovelbum posted:I saw a guy take a $25000 piss at a union hall one time lol Lmfao.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:In arrangements like that, do the people waiting around for work get any compensation? Where I am, not directly, but we have a few systems to make it easier on people to where it's only when you're very very junior that there's an issue Edit: free coffee and the occasional pool table yes
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there's a guy in the union council district adjacent to mine who wants to file a grievance with the company because they're forcing him to work from home and he demands to work in person. unions are a land of contrasts
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this serves as a good reminder that unless you have a union contract, companies can just decide to fire you at any time for any reason https://twitter.com/bfnewsunion/status/1316409289444151304
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kingcobweb posted:this serves as a good reminder that unless you have a union contract, companies can just decide to fire you at any time for any reason and it’s one of the basic functions of a contract, it’s crazy that all these writers unions are having to fight so hard for it, I guess this it’s common for news orgs to fight this sort of thing?
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Attending an online OT 101! Last time I went through a 101 was about a decade ago, so I'm due. The online format will be interesting. 4 sessions, 3 hours each. I'm pumped!
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Thanks for the McAlevey book rec. It's been super helpful in working in my already established workplace union 
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Tom Smykowski posted:Thanks for the McAlevey book rec. It's been super helpful in working in my already established workplace union nice- what are you your key takeaways that you're putting to use?
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From the Latin America thread:Dreylad posted:Yeah and it's clear that electoralism isn't the winner in Bolivia, it's a vote after incredible pressure martialed by leftwing institutions and political groups backed by a good chunk of the working population to make sure that any attempt to steal the election would lead to a complete shutdown of Bolivian industry. PhilippAchtel posted:So we need to either target the NLRB and corresponding agencies in other nations or just prepare to break labor law. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:the big unions are mostly compromised by capital and have been for decades at this point So how do we address this issue? The gen strike discussion earlier this year amounted to exactly nothing because there's no organizational muscle. That's all held by the big unions. If they have no interest in flexing their power outside specified contract windows, what is to be done?
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kingcobweb posted:nice- what are you your key takeaways that you're putting to use? I read Raising Hell and Raising Expectations so even the titles been helpful. Engaging with other members by talking about expectations instead of just giving them reports on whatever happened at the last meeting has raised interest and engagement. I'm seeing first-hand how this leads into greater involvement and stuff like her big group bargaining. Members who feel engaged want to push those expectations and not just let the officers do so on their own.
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PhilippAchtel posted:From the Latin America thread: big unions are going to be exactly as radical as demanded by their members. if members don't do poo poo and just sit around until the union comes to them and tells them "hey we need you to picket" or whatever, they'll continue on as they have for decades (that is, decline). so the answer is in two parts
it's an important part of building a new left infrastructure in the country. the good part is that it can build on top of DSA and other things, if every DSA chapter starts doing workplace organizing trainings etc.
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yeah actual organization comes from talking to coworkers and making them politically active, in their workplace and beyond. that the unions themselves are conservative is a huge barrier but it can be overcome by organizing the actual workers. the teachers strikes are a good example of this, they were wildcat and didnt involve the unions but the teachers had been organizing themselves for such an action for months
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Just having a union is huge, even we think it's succ, the cushy contracts, high wages, benefits, etc change peoples fuckin lives beyond recognition. I feel like the biggest thing I can do in my union is try to steer every conversation towards more focused organizing in neglected parts of our own existing industry, and actually pushing hard at the negotiating table. And doing poo poo to give new members a leg up. Vigorously pursuing these core functions is in and of itself radical and pushes back against complacency, fygmism, and the more senior guess trying to pull up the ladder
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I do what I can in my day-to-day and as an officer, but there is a strong current of conservatism among the older members. There's a militancy there, but more often than not it's directed at the union itself or narrowly toward our own interests rather than labor interests in general. I guess that's a place to start, but it feels like an extremely thin line to walk to harness that for aggressive action without providing fuel for the members who want to attack unions in general. Mostly, I'd just like to see us able and willing to strike for more fundamental goals. I've been involved in sympathy marches involving many unions, but as long as that element of work stoppage is off the table, you can always be ignored.
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its so key to just get more dudes, and get em better contracts, just go out and find every dude you can, theres probably some non union dudes doing your job for half your wages within a mile
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My work has successfully met with union representatives and has began organizing. So far we have 7 people that have signed up and paid dues. Supposedly, once we hit double digits, we'll start to see some real poo poo...er change.
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Get everyone possible to sign the card before you go. To the bosses
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I played a small part in organizing a shop that’s still union 22 years later 
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this is cool as hell but you should join these guys instead  I did some work in their headquarters and had to grab a bunch of local 420 stickers
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