Big Mean Jerk posted:

Discovery is fine if you don’t go in determined to hate it, hth.

MikeJF posted:

Fuller's Disco would probably have been more TOS-compliant than the Disco we got. Fuller was very much a TOS fanboy, which is why the show was set when it was, but the people who took over clearly didn't care about fitting into TOS that much.

Hell, look at the detailing on his Discovery compared to the one we got. Still different, but something you could see being related to TMP design styles.

Fidel Cuckstro posted:

I was planning on skipping Picard because Discovery had been such dogshit early in the first season, but the first episode has given me a bit of hope. I counted ~4 times where they could have stalled out the plot by having a main character lie or hold back info to another- the worst way modern prestige shows draw out their plots- and they went in each time.

Also very impressed they actually seem to understand Picard's TV show character and aren't just making him Patrick Stewart epic meme guy. The detective/investigative stuff is perfect Picard, and when he said "lives." like, drat.

And some slight hope that they want to get back to some actual Trek optimism. The destruction of mars feels like a 9/11 parallel the same way Battle of the Binary Star was for Discovery- but here they've gone 15 years in to the future and it seems like at least part of the show will be Picard dealing with that fallout and the failed course starfleet took after that event, as opposed to a story about the immediate emotional spasm after the event.

Tighclops posted:

It's a Q reference

MichiganCubbie posted:

That was actually never canon before a few years ago, when it was officially "canonized," IIRC.

Lenny Nero posted:

Reading through these comments give me some small hope that I might enjoy this series (I still haven't watched the first episode yet). That said, I'm still pretty salty that they're considering Nemesis as cannon.

MichiganCubbie posted:

Admiral Bosch posted:

weird that the picture of worf the TV shows us doesn't look anything like T'Kuvma

Cojawfee posted:

There was some interview that said if worf shows up, he'll look like worf. They have different looks for various romulans, so they can do it for Klingons as well.

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

- The location at the ending was a little odd because it looked like a Borg Cube, but I didn't see any Borg. Was that explained in some other media I haven't seen?

MichiganCubbie posted:

If the entire shipyards were wiped out, and Mars is "still on fire to this day," how did only 90,000 people die?

Binary Badger posted:

Space racism against folks with pointy ears?

I'm wondering how the Romulans managed to evict the Borg so they could take over that cube. Or was it just left derelict, like the cube that crashed on Earth back in Enterprise?

Making Dahj and her twin at the same time in production makes sense.. one is literally a backup of the other.

Puh-lease don't let this involve Control from Discovery..

Baudolino posted:

I hope they find a way to include Cardassians in some way in season 2. There is no reason not to, a very iconic TNG episode includes them after all.
Would be nice to see what became of Cardassia. I can`t imagine the federation wanted to spend too much resoursces building them back up after the Domination war what with the Romulan crisis and the Mars incident happening soon after.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Eh, I feel like the time to do a direct DS9 follow up has passed. Auberjonois and Eisenberg are dead, and Avery Brooks, Marc Alaimo, and Andrew Robinson are all basically retired from acting. Not having Sisko or Odo back, especially, really hurts the appeal of a revisit since those characters and their relationships were the heart of the show. You wouldn’t be able to do something like Picard, it would have to follow new characters exploring the political landscape left behind. Maybe some cameos or supporting roles from characters like Kira, Dax, and Bashir.

It’s all moot though because, if we’re being brutally honest, Voyager is a much more likely candidate for a follow-up show just based on popularity among general audiences. It’s no surprise that Seven of Nine is showing up in Picard instead of, say, O’Brien or Kira or Dax.

pyrotek posted:

There is a subset that are pre-pissed off that the show will be supportive of "others": immigrants, gays, basically anybody not a cis white male.

I don't know how they got through the other series with their viewpoints.

Drunkboxer posted:

I don’t know much about modern RLM because like a decade ago I saw a review for some Star Trek property and in the review they said that that Worf alternate timeline TNG episode was the worst Trek episode ever and I decided that they didn’t know what they were talking about.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

It’s an All Access exclusive showrun by a minor Rick & Morty writer who’s big claim to fame before that was running a parody twitter account, with character designs that are very clearly trying to ape the R&M look with a Trek skin stretched over it. If that’s not enough to at least make you go “hmmm” then I don’t know what to tell you, man.

Lizard Combatant posted:

I don't know that you need to know the specifics of the conspiracy right off the bat.
It's pretty clear that she's a Vulcan working with the Romulans on some secret plot. That's fine for now.

I said come in! posted:

It's not much better though. It's a Borg cube, controlled by the Romulans and clearly wanted to be worked on in secret, yet they are just hiring random people around the galaxy to work and live there? This entire Borg plot thing is so confusing right now. Like, I get revealing stuff slowly, but this is just written like fan fiction and is only there because its cool.

AntherUslessPoster posted:

Its not 'FEDERASHUN BAD' it's "not what it used to be"

DaveKap posted:

"I didn't know Romulans could be so hot."
Pause for laughter.
"Me either."
Pause for further laughter and applause.

The Bloop posted:

Same but not if you can have the same outcome for NOT having a lovely job, right?

Lizard Combatant posted:

It felt at best, unimaginative to me. At worst, incongruous with the setting.

Everything about the location, their dress, they way they speak, the type of complaints, the food, etc... everything is coded as "working class 21st century dock worker."
Like sure, you might know that they've got great health care and don't really get paid, but show that scene to someone who's never seen Star Trek and ask them what social class or economic status they think they have.
They're coded as 21st century dock workers, most likely because it was the easy way out.

This doesn't = show bad, but that's what sticks out as lazy world building to me anyway.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Uhhhh considering Discovery gets sent to like the year 3200, I’m not sure why the Dominion would come up