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Free Hong Kong Free Tibet Taiwan is an independent country The Chinese government is committing genocide in Xinjiang
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Jan 28, 2020 05:35
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Justin Godscock posted:Forgot some 
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Jan 28, 2020 06:16
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lilbeefer posted:I followed the thread a lot and am well aware of the Haier stories, and early Rene Cheng (sp) stuff but it got too hard to follow. I'm disappointed I had to read the peanut brittle story for the first time. Disappointed and in awe. Rene Chang was just doing the pro-China news article comments superstar thing before it was cool He was a pioneer if you will
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Jan 28, 2020 20:30
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you need to adjust the monetary fraud for purchasing power parity
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Jan 28, 2020 21:42
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Sten Freak posted:One other non wuflu story. This Harvard scientist just got busted for fraud. I don't know if they can bust him for spying too but that's what it sounds like to me. lol this wouldn't just be fraud it would be actual treason
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Jan 28, 2020 23:29
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Klyith posted:wow, with the whole trade war thing I didn't think China would have allowed Trump to open a hotel there. Why do you think he won't say anything bad about Xi
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Jan 30, 2020 04:08
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Despera posted:Pour one put for Capslock, got banned from the cspam china threads Holy poo poo
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Jan 31, 2020 02:41
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oohhboy posted:Wouldn't it be easier to just ban him? Tino/whatever7 was banned for tresspassing into this thread. He was banned, given a month's probation, and told to never post in a China thread or about China again or he's going to get a 10k hour probe. These were apparently personally approved by Lowtax so I'm guessing it's back to r/sino for him
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Jan 31, 2020 02:47
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Despera posted:He has a nice r/Aznidentity worthy meltdown on the cspam thread if you want to check it out. I went looking for it and couldn't find it because he was in a perpetual state of meltdown like im pretty sure based on his posting that he violated the first law of thermodynamics
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Jan 31, 2020 06:32
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lilbeefer posted:evidence that can be given to a tankie Evidence doesn't work, that's what makes them a tankie.
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Feb 1, 2020 06:09
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Darkest Auer posted:Buy them a plane ticket to mainland China Unfortunately this can easily lead to "Things looked great during my guided tours and from the 22nd floor of my Shanghai hotel"
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Feb 1, 2020 07:11
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BrainDance posted:It's not often about what's true, like you know how batshits on the right argue ridiculous things they know on some level aren't true, but their goal is more to own the libs? It's like that with more misinterpretation of books they haven't read. This is basically a 1:1 analogy, the chief difference being that the tankie version of "owning the libs" is usually some form of anti-Americanism. The factual basis for their beliefs is less relevant than if they serve that one fundamental idea
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Feb 1, 2020 07:33
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I hear white people can unlock the secret menu in new game plus if they manage to beat China on the highest difficulty
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Feb 1, 2020 07:35
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GotLag posted:America is the great satan, the mistake is to think that means its opponents are necessarily good in all respects You're close, but putting the USA above and beyond everyone else at all in terms of its negative influence on the world is a fallacy that creates tankies, because it leads to an easy dismissal of all its opponents flaws in the form of "North Korea may be bad, but at least it's opposing America, and therefore a de facto ally!" This is why whataboutism is so important to the tankie creed, and why criticizing American adversaries so often leads to it because it's a way to "acknowledge" how poo poo America's adversaries are while still maintaining the "necessary evil" narrative. What really causes tankie meltdowns is the suggestion that fundamentally, the United States is a better international actor than China, Russia, Iran, etc because that is cutting right at the heart of the narrative. If whataboutism doesn't work in that context, then the tankie will switch to nihilism as a way of rendering the argument moot, because deciding that reality is irredeemably terrible is, to them, a preferable conclusion than "maybe the USA is actually okay for the most part" There is a reason why Russia's propaganda apparatus functions basically the same way. It's also ironic because the whole fundamental worldview of tankies is based on American exceptionalism, just a negative exceptionalism. This obviously has all the same problems that positive exceptionalism has.
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Feb 1, 2020 22:05
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The WHO chastises countries that restrict entry from China but doesn't bother to even mention the whole "If you are sick you will be imprisoned in a I'm starting to think that the UN has been compromised by authoritarian regimes
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Feb 5, 2020 06:51
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Are you suggesting that poverty can't be solved solely by building infrastructure
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Feb 6, 2020 05:49
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I opted to check Wikipedia for this guys story instead of clicking that link and it's sounding increasingly like that was a smart move
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Feb 8, 2020 03:19
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:which tom clancy novel was it that had a world superpower self inflict a bioterror attack at an illegal pangolin brothel with a nightmare disease stolen from fuckin canada? I know that it's beside the point of your post and that this is highly  on my part but China is not a world superpower. Frankly it's having a hard time just being a regional powerCasually referencing the PRC as a superpower is implicitly giving the CCP more power outside China than they deserve
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Feb 11, 2020 03:35
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Chinese meat has a very bad connotation basically everywhere and lol at the idea of a company admitting that they use it if they aren't also doing a pump and dump on their own stock
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Feb 13, 2020 10:18
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One of the reasons that the Australians were the first to ban Huawei was their intelligence services took a look at the scenario and asked themselves "If the situation were reversed, what would we be able to do with the resources we'd be giving Huawei?" Apparently what they found was https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/5g-choices-a-pivotal-moment-in-world-affairs/ posted:we could be awesome, no one would know and, if they did, we could plausibly deny our activities, safe in the knowledge that it would be too late to reverse billions of dollars’ worth of investment. And, ironically, our targets would be paying to build a platform for our own signals intelligence and offensive cyber operations.
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Feb 14, 2020 22:49
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What's bizarre is that there is a strong consensus both among the Canadian public and in the Canadian government that Huawei should be banned. Polls have 70% of Canadians supporting a ban, the military wants it banned, CSIS wants it banned, two of the big three telecoms are proceeding with 5G without Huawei, etc. Huawei's vocal proponents aren't even trying to defend Huawei on its own merits anymore (barring appeals to Huawei's marketing material,) they've fallen back on the old "But America" arguments The only valid reason I can think of for the government to keep dragging its heels on this is that they're worried the PRC will murder its hostages if Canada officially bans it.
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Feb 14, 2020 23:09
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Play posted:welp, pack it in fellas. I don't know about you but I'm CONVINCED apparently that huawei spokesman doesn't know what it means to get hit with RICO charges because the only appropriate response is to get on your knees and beg the feds to at least give you a pillow to bite
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Feb 14, 2020 23:28
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Grand Fromage posted:My Canadian friends say Huawei is innocent of everything because the US accused it of being bad, therefore it must be fine. Reflexive anti-Americanism is pretty Canadian and Trump really really really doesn't help with that. It's important to remember that Huawei defenders here are less pro-Huawei/China and more anti-US
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Feb 15, 2020 01:31
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Grand Fromage posted:Oh yeah. This one in particular has no political opinions other than the US is the absolute Greatest of Great Satans and literally anything the US does is inherently the worst thing in the world. I posted a comment on a news article like an hour ago and someone responded by accusing me of being American (which would be enough to nullify my opinion entirely, apparently) on the basis of I apparently used American spelling for some words instead of The King's Proper English
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Feb 15, 2020 01:47
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Bronze Fonz posted:The fact that the accusations come from the evil villain states does indeed put in a pretty good light that poor businesslady they're keeping in jail No
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Feb 15, 2020 02:10
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Bronze Fonz posted:I was just laying it thick on the aforementioned anti-US sentiment skewing things... Okay. Unfortunately Poe's Law applies
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Feb 15, 2020 02:14
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Despera posted:Im not going to pretend if the NSA told some tech company to bend the knee they wouldn't do it. The thing is, this is probably true, and CCP apologists love to trot it out as a false equivilence, but the fact of the matter is that for US allies, being spied on by the US isn't really all that big a deal since we're allies and cooperate with them anyway. (Most of the grumbling about it is actually due to genuine hurt feelings rather than any sort of security risk.) Certainly not worth comparison to being spied on by the PRC, who are actively hostile. Also the USA is, you know, a democracy with separation of powers, an independent judiciary, rule of law, a free press, and a thriving civil society. Countries that possess these qualities are considerably easier to deal with on fair and equal terms than countries without them and the US is no exception.
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BrainDance posted:I doubt Fojar's "being spied on by the US isn't really all that big a deal since we're allies and cooperate with them anyway" argument is really what's going on My point is that not all countries behave the same. Tankies and totalitarian apologists like to pretend that they do, which is the entire point of the "but America" arguments, yet no Canadians/Europeans/Australians genuinely consider the United States a security threat, certainly not to the degree that it would be a risk to use American technical infrastructure, despite the fact that the USA has demonstrated the ability to literally blow up nuclear centrifuges using cyberwarfare. At a certain point it begins to come off as "Why are you Taiwanese worried about Chinese bombs? Don't you know that the USA also has bombs that they could theoretically drop on you?" or "Why are you South Koreans worried about the North Korean army when the US army is better positioned to attack you from the bases you're hosting?" Like global affairs are some kind of zero sum Sid Meier game. For a mountain of political, strategic, and ideological reasons, US allies are fine with the USA having capabilities that they wouldn't want others to have. This is like really obvious and fundamental to any discussion about international relations and so muddying the waters in that regard is critical for Russia/China apologists. Usually, however, it doesn't work because most people live in reality.
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Feb 15, 2020 03:51
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Cheesemaster200 posted:I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are doing a really bad job of making it. I really don't know how to make it any clearer without making it overly simplistic. US allies trust the US enough to pass responsibility for military deterrence off to the US nearly entirely. Having the US as a big strong muscle-daddy that can kick anyone's rear end in exchange for giving up a degree of sovereignty to the USA in the military and intelligence domains is a really really good deal. Such a good deal that the US is getting annoyed with everyone for giving too much responsibility to the Americans. The election of Trump didn't cause everyone to start panicking and making GBS threads bricks because they thought that the Americans were about to go insane and attack them. It caused everyone to start panicking and making GBS threads bricks because they thought that the Americans were going to say "gently caress it, you're on your own" "Yankee go home" very quickly became "Actually Yankee please don't go home we didn't mean it" Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Feb 15, 2020 |
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Yeah that's the other thing. "But America" would carry more weight if this was a discussion about the merits of America compared to, say, Sweden, but it isn't.
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Feb 15, 2020 04:23
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Squalid posted:i was very surprised to see someone from a Baltic state basically saying all this to explain why they were opposed to increasing EU military unity/coordination. in the DnD EU thread they just straight said "when it comes to self defense against Russia, I'd rather depend on America to do it than risk giving the Germans any more power." Yeah this is the other advantage the US has in this regard. Being in North America it usually can't be credibly argued that they have territorial ambitions and so in places like Europe it's easy to agree to just let the guys from across the ocean handle defense rather than "those fuckers who have/want our poo poo"
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BrainDance posted:I don't even disagree (although I think I'm much more uncomfortable with the way the NSA acts than you) but the problem is, the line of reasoning is counterproductive because it plays exactly into the type of arguing that benefits tankies. Think about how it's going to be read, what is your actual conclusion here besides "America isn't as bad as China"? All this accomplishes is moving the conversation to "but America" which is exactly what you should be trying to avoid if you want to actually criticize a totalitarian party that is not arguing in good faith to begin with. The whole point of "But America" arguments is attempting to normalize the toxic behavior of authoritarian regimes like the ones that run China and Russia. To a certain extent the specifics of the "But America" arguments do need to be addressed, because if you concede "Yes America acts the same way but so what" then you have implicitly accepted their nihilistic worldview where all that matters is raw power and hence CCP actions to obtain as much of it as possible are justified. Tankies aren't even the first to do this. Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan essentially pioneered this form of extreme cynicism as a means of propaganda. The whole idea is that if you've dragged everyone else into the poo poo with you then you no longer need to explain to them why you stink.
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The North Tower posted:动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门 same
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fish and chips and dip posted:Wait what? I thought I was knowledgeable about mainland Taiwan relations, but this is the first I heard of this. As long as Taiwan keeps pretending to have a claim to mainland China it is implicitly acknowledging that it is "China" If they officially gave up the claim it would be an acknowledgement that they aren't "China" and hence damage the PRC's claims that Taiwan is a "rogue province" You might be thinking "wow that's really loving stupid" and it is
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Feb 15, 2020 23:46
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actually I think you'll find that China will easily hit 6% growth and everyone will believe them
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Feb 16, 2020 23:51
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Dandywalken posted:Hell, I love China China could be so good if it wasn't being held back by like two centuries of extremely bad governance
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Feb 17, 2020 02:24
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D-Pad posted:In 15-20 years when China is a true superpower and the US has fallen behind 
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Feb 17, 2020 21:57
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The junk collector posted:It seems a lot of people in here don't know much about 5G or what it actually is. That's ok, most politicians pushing it don't have a clue either (see the self driving car comments). That's great but have you considered that 5G was invented by China and Huawei has the best 5G, allowing access to so much 5G that it's leaving all the other 5G's in the dust, where they can only salivate
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5G is a benevolent gift bestowed by the Middle Kingdom at the grace of Emperor Xi Jinping, ruler of all under heaven, upon all the barbarian nations, who could not comprehend such G's were it not for the beneficence of the Celesial Empire.
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