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Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

VitalSigns posted:

whaaaat.

No they are not. The median 401k balance at retirement is $63,000. (source).That's not enough to retire on and half of retirees have less than that. The numbers for young people are even worse.

And that's just of people who have 401k balances in the first place, but less than half of workers even have access to a 401k at all. (source).

So not only do most people not have a 401k, but even of those that do most of them don't have enough there for it to make a difference in their lives no matter how high the government pumps up the market with new money.

The scariest thing about our economy is that the 401k retirement structure is entirely untested. 401ks didn't really exist before the 80s, so there hasn't been a generation of workers who have entered the work force and only had a 401k plan for retirement.

Later this decade we'll begin to see large swaths of people begin to retire on their 401ks, and it's looking like it will be a complete disaster.

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Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Anyone that would vote for Bloomberg in the general is actively voting against democracy. Even if he had a single good position, you cannot reward a man that is blatantly purchasing our election. The fact that so many people in this thread are saying they'd vote for Bloomberg is incredibly depressing.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Jay-V posted:

Yes, but you would otherwise reward Trump with 4 more years

Who said you should vote for Trump?

And yes, Trump winning reelection in a hypothetical Trump v Bloomberg would absolutely be the better outcome. Their policies would be effectively the same. Even in cases where Bloomberg isn't quite as right as Trump, Bloomberg would be more competent at getting his regressive policies passed. You could effectively argue Bloomberg's administration would have a net more regressive outcome on the country than 4 more years of Trump.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Emily's List admits they were working on the anti-Bernie ad.

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1228175463635308546

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Phenotype posted:

What is the draw with her?? I just don't get it man, I think she's more unlikeable than even Sociopath Pete. She reminds me of my grandma's friends when I was a kid -- not the other sweet grandmas, the ones who didn't really like kids but put up this fake Nice Lady persona for me like isn't she sweet for taking an interest? It seemed fake and forced to me even when I was little.

The reason is purely because of her results in the 2018 midterm election. In short, as a Democrat (technically DFL, not explicitly the same as the national Democratic party) she won a much larger portion of counties in Minnesota that voted for Trump than the DFL governor running in the same midterm (Klob won 1,250 of the 3k Trump counties, while the other statewide Dem only won 500). This makes Amy the fabled Democrat that can swing Trump voters that the media loves fantasizing about so often. If she won it would validate every media wonk's theorizing since 2016.

The problem with this theory is a) Minnesota voted blue overall in 2016, so it's not like Klob won in a red state and b) even that other statewide Dem won in 2018, despite winning less counties. The media types that promote her are the worst shoegazers that get caught up in crunching the numbers in a very specific way that make Klob seem like a one-in-a-million politician, when if they just took a step back they'd realize there is nothing particularly appealing about her. She won her Senate seat from an incumbent Dem who retired, and she won her second reelection in 2018 in a state that voted for Hillary.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

I wonder if the people who are defending Biden are realizing the damage they're doing to the fight against sexual harassment and rape culture? The right isn't missing the fact that Biden supporters are using the exact same arguments they themselves used to defend Kvanaugh and Moore.

Hypocrisy is unique in that it's not possible to shame a Republican politician to hurt their turnout, but it absolutely works against Democrats. The diehard, Neera Tanden-type Democrats are the same as Republicans, and they won't be shaken by the complete heel turn on "Believe women." The Dem base at-large will have an "are we the baddies?" moment, though. It will be enough of a demoralizing moment to kill the already low excitement for Biden.

The sad thing is the people out now defending Biden never gave a poo poo about fighting rape culture or supporting female empowerment.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Has there ever been a primary where literally every candidate dropped out months before the convention, when so many states had still not voted?

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

icantfindaname posted:

I'll probably vote for Biden, but if he loses and the suburban centrist strategy doesn't pan out, loving LOL if I vote for a Democrat for any office ever again. Not like it will matter, of course, but still

In the words of Biden: "why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why?!"

This is still the moment to push the party to the left. If Biden wins, the Democrats will never entertain any policy position to the left of Bill for the rest of our lives. If you're really going to consider not voting blue no matter who, why condition it on "if they lose one more time..."?

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Kraftwerk posted:

They like Bernie’s policies but don’t like Bernie and his rhetoric.

Ah yes, people don't like the most popular Senator. Great analysis here champ.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

How are u posted:

I think she'd probably be a fine President. She's a good person...

There are how many pictures out there of Michelle hugging Bush?

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Apogee15 posted:

Most democrats do not want to abolish ICE. Most democrats actually approved of Obama's actions in Libya. Most democrats think the ACA was good legislation(like 94%). Most democrats would prefer a public option(though it's close) to M4A.

How many Democrats interpret "abolish ICE" as "enforce immigration laws"? How many Democrats are even aware of Obama's action in Libya, and could explain what happened? Most Democrats (and even people in this forum) would say that the ACA getting rid of pre-existing condition restrictions in health insurance was good, but I'd bet most voters would be hard pressed to articulate anything positive ACA did beyond that.

Voters aren't economic hypotheticals who have perfect information and pick candidates that most closely align with their own beliefs. Even if you took that polling at face value, the fact is voters don't pull the lever for their ideologically closest candidate.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

joepinetree posted:

It's not "in case Biden has to drop out." At this point it wouldn't be Bernie even if he did.

There's two arguments as to why they are doing it, and since they are not mutually exclusive, it is likely they are both true.

1- By removing the presidential primary from the ballot, Bernie supporters won't vote down ballot, and that helps Cuomo lackeys.

2- By removing the presidential primary from the ballot, Biden gets 100% of the NY delegates. Even though Bernie lost, his delegates can still get seats in the several different DNC committees (platform, rules, etc). To get a seat on those committees you need 25% of all delegates. Which is why Bernie suspended his campaign and insisted he'd still be on the ballot on the remaining primaries. So this NY announcement comes on the heels of CA, CO and other state democratic parties saying that suspending a campaign is the same as withdrawing, so that Bernie gets no statewide delegates from those states. The rule itself hasn't changed, and this interpretation of suspending=withdrawing is new. In 08 Hillary was able to keep her delegates for the convention by suspending instead of withdrawing.

Ironic that the Democratic party is in fact anti-democratic. Why anyone would continue to vote for this dogshit party because it's the "lesser evil" after today is beyond me. I will only fill in the circle for avowed socialists going forward, and any race that doesn't have one is getting left blank.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

RBA Starblade posted:

If the argument is that Trump leads to four years before we can save the world and a 10% chance of stopping the apocalypse, and Biden eight and zero, then it follows that you should do everything in your power to support Trump, since there's a zero percent chance of anyone else winning currently, and we can't risk Biden doing so either.

Haha this is a great loving take.

"Oh no, I can't convince this person to vote for Biden on the basis of him being the lesser evil. I know! What if I turned your argument around by saying that following your logic, you must vote for Trump as his hostility to climate change action will be more limited, and is thus is the lesser of 2 evils? You did say you were going to vote for the lesser evil, right?"

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Mellow Seas posted:

Whether you’re willing to vote for Biden or not, this is all terribly tragic stuff. The political party that looked ready to turn a corner two months ago is doubling down on all of its worse instincts, and all some people can seem to muster is a “lmao”. It really makes it seem like some people are more interested in causing pain to people they hate, or being proved “right”, than trying to salvage anything out of this mess. I get that it’s probably a coping mechanism, and it’s really just limited to a few posters, but I don’t think it’s helping the quality of discourse.

https://twitter.com/Papapishu/status/746803108949409793

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

RottenK posted:

in what world is it more profitable to grift the left instead of spouting right wing talking points while being an attractive white woman

https://socialblade.com/twitter/user/neekolul/monthly

I don't even need to specify when the OK Boomer video was posted since it's obvious. Granted, I don't think neekolul is a grifter, I think she's sincere in her leftist beliefs. Anyway, there is definitely space on the left to court the horny vote.

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Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1255940994048184323

I absolutely do

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