Dem Presidential Primary 2020: Bernie dropped out, all hail nominee Biden

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Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

Ice Phisherman posted:

Gatekeeping is different online and the corporations are largely still trying to figure out how to do it in a way that doesn't look like they're oppressing all dissent.

In the meantime, they're hilariously bad at it and the only reason they're able to dominate the MSM is because starting a new news channel is a multi-billion dollar effort. Their overwhelming access to resources is the only thing that covers for them.

Meanwhile Dril and Da Share Zone can loving own them with a smartphone with cracks in it. It's like if you could gently caress up an aircraft carrier with a slingshot. Not take it down, or at least if you do it's rare, but you can and everyone has a slingshot and they're fun to shoot.

Scuds are basically slingshots so the analogy holds up if you believe that there are two types of naval ships: targets and submarines.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2020 07:48

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 04:44

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im pooping! posted:

this is confusing me, i is hill tv and the hill the same thing? that youtube channel has a huge bernie boner

It�s both.

The Hill is bankrolled by the Koch�s or something and Krystal Ball�s show is basically a gambit to attack the Democratic Party from the left. The Hill is a right wing rag that is on the same level as the Washington Examiner.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2020 07:49

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The audience were a bunch of disgusting hoot and hollering piglets. Who the gently caress cheers for: �I�m a capitalist� or �I wanna be the manager of America�?

Find & Replace �capitalist� with �a huge shithead�.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2020 08:03

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Demiurge4 posted:

Despite his many, many flaws I still think Obama would bend the knee rather than see a brokered convention.

Obama is the most cynical politician in a century.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:09

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Dietrich posted:

Obama had your standard centrist "be realistic" objections to m4a, he wanted a public option but was blocked by Joe Lieberman in the senate. I think people ITT like to pretend that what obama delivered was what he wanted to deliver instead of the result of bad-faith negotiation on the part of the GOP and the lack of solid progressive support in the Senate from blue dogs.

The ACA passed with literally 0 republican votes.

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# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:17

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Dietrich posted:

I followed the development of the ACA very closely, I'm 100% aware of that. There were endless negotiations with the GOP, and many concessions to attempt to get bipartisan support for it. Every time the Dems gave something, the goal posts moved for what it would take to get bipartisan support. It took too long to realize the depth of the bad faith from the GOP side. Those were the failures of the Obama administration.

let's spend the next 100 years going over why the ACA was actually good. i'm sure that this time the conversation will reveal the real truth and the ACA will finally be recognized as unequivocally Good And Cool.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:32

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Hellblazer187 posted:

I don't think anyone things the ACA was "good." I suggested Obama will endorse the delegate leader going into the convention, and some people disagreed and so we got into a discussion about the ACA as a window into Obama's soul. Personally I don't think you need to believe Obama is "good" to think he'll endorse Sanders if he's going into the convention with a 10% delegate lead but less than 50%. I think it's in the interest of Obama preserving his legacy to prevent the Democratic party from fracturing for a generation. A self interested Obama will endorse Bernie because even if he's not more moral than the mainstream DNC hacks, he's definitely smarter than they are.

so your argument is that obama is playing 11th dimensional chess and that installing tom perez as the dnc chair was all a part of a plan for a last minute heel turn in order to secure his legacy and save the democratic party from itself by endorsing bernie?

all according to keikaku, i suppose.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:44

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BrainDance posted:

There's this meme going around that seemed to pop up yesterday that goes like this;

"Bernie Sanders said at the debate last night that he wants minimum wage to be $15 per hour.

15$ X 40 hr week = $600
600$ X 52 weeks per yr = $31,200

Bernie Sanders wants free health care for all and was asked how he would pay for it. His answer was raise taxes to 52% on anybody making over $29,000 per year.

52% of $31,200 = $16,224 in tax
$31,200 - $16,224 = $14,976 is your pay
$14,976 � 52 weeks = $288 per week
$288 � 40 hr week = $7.20 per hour"

I didn't catch the debate, I don't live in America anymore, and I'm not a tax expert, but did he actually say anything about this? I get that it's completely ignoring tax brackets but I couldn't find anything other than super right stuff bitching about it and anything else about his tax plan puts people making that little paying way less in taxes than 52% on that higher income. But I'm not gonna call people out on it when I am just googling for five minutes before bed.

FLAT TAX! FLAT TAX! FLAT TAX!

31200-29000 = 2200
52% of 2200 = 1144
31200-1144 = 30056
30056 / 52 = 578 per week
578/40 hr week = 14.45 per hour

# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:51

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WoodrowSkillson posted:

Where is this 52% number coming from, last i checked it was a 4% flat tax on income about 29k.

it was a part of the original conceit of "bernard sanders wants to tax everyone making 29k at 52%"

i was chanting FLAT TAX! because of all of the dipshits who want a flat tax and can't do the bare minimum to understand progressive tax brackets

e: just to make sure everyone is on the same page, here's the math that i did

0% tax rate between 0 and 29k
52% tax rate over 29k

# ¿ Feb 21, 2020 15:53

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Gripweed posted:

big punching a hole through your monitor vibes

# ¿ Feb 26, 2020 15:44

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Rockit posted:

That was out of context.
Earlier in the interview she literally said "It's fine to make kinda mean posts online."

Should record the whole context since no one is showing you that.

Out of context?

# ¿ Mar 6, 2020 05:13

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Raenir Salazar posted:

What you're suggesting could very well just end up with the future being a boot stomping on the face of humanity forever.

What part of �the Democratic Party is the most immediate barrier that has to be dealt with if there is to be any sort of leftward movement in this country� isn�t sinking in for you?

We can figure this out together if you point out what part you don�t understand.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:06

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LinYutang posted:

Bringing up Biden's health just invites conversation about Bernie's heart problems, which is actually diagnosed, and not internet people throwing out armchair diagnoses. Bernie is at a higher risk of dying from COVID-19 from his heart problems as well.

This is baseless. You have zero evidence to support that Bernie is higher at risk due to his heart problems than say Biden is due to his documented strokes.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:08

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shrike82 posted:

Has Bernie done this cognitive test that Biden is missing?

What is this? Do you think that theres a medical ACT or something ?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:23

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mr whistler posted:

I think it's a reasonable question because in 2019 Bernie promised to release all of his medical records and then went back on that promise after his heart attack.

It�s a concern troll. No matter what Bernie provided, it was never going to be enough. Especially for all of the dipshits from Columbia University with journalism degrees writing stories about how they thumbed through his medical records and found it to be interesting.

What would you do if I demanded to see all of your medical records going back to the pediatrician you had in 6th grade? What does collecting all of your medical records look like? If you had a month and half a dozen people working full time to collect and organize your medical records from the last 20 years, could you do it?

No gaps. You have to get all of those one off Planned Parenthood STD tests, also don�t forget any of the records from when you went to the student health center.

By the way, if you fail to do so, I�m going to spend 9 months on twitter hemming and hawing about how dishonest you are.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:31

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Wicked Them Beats posted:

Ignoring the Holocaust aesthetic, is the line work all lovely and crooked on purpose, like they're trying to emulate some lovely font Warren used or something? And at least incorporate the actual color into the tattoo somewhere. She looks like she's in an actual shop so it's not some lovely kitchen scratcher.

I don't have the link right now but Bernie released letters from three doctors discussing his physical health and his recovery from his heart attack, and Sanjay Gupta on CNN said that that was sufficient evidence for him to think Bernie was in fine health.

There aren't long-form records that would help anyone in this thread or the media diagnose Bernie beyond what's said in those letters, so demanding he release blood test results so we know his exact hormone levels or something is dumb and pointless.

It�s Warrens handwriting.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:36

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whoisjasonk posted:

He released all relevant information, it seems.
https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1230258482546274305?lang=en

�Yeah, but that guy is a sex pest and I don�t know if we can trust him�

There, I saved this thread 8 hours of talking in circles over Bernie�s �long form health records� (which aren�t a thing).

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 15:46

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mr whistler posted:

I dunno. Hard to tell from the video clip but if it is a MAGA chud trying to start poo poo I don't have a problem with a candidate telling him to gently caress off.

that guy was a veteran and the democratic front runner joe biden telling him to gently caress off isn't it, fam. joe biden has to Do Better.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 16:12

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mr whistler posted:

Veterans can still be MAGA chuds with bad ideas that should be told to gently caress off when starting poo poo.

Sorry, but you gotta support are troops. It's the rules.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 16:37

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VH4Ever posted:

I made the mistake of touching the poop in a Drew Magary tweet about this and Biden stans are dogpiling hard on the "WHAT, YOU WANT HIM TO BE NICE TO A GUN NUT???" so it's pretty loving depressing. God almighty people are loving stupid.

The thing an "of sound mind" candidate would do is offer a pat "thank you" and walk away without another word. It's not the gun nut that's the problem. I'm sure Bernie has dealt with more than a few, and far better than this pathetic display.

Actually it's insanely good and cool that Biden gets into people's faces and jabs at them with his finger while verbally dressing them down over the most mildest of criticisms. That's the sort of electability that we need in a candidate!

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 16:53

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LinYutang posted:

He quite obviously said it because he apologized and retracted it later.

https://twitter.com/IECOC/status/900968950757941253

the tweet you linked earlier is from 2019

and then one you just linked is from 2017

i know that you think that none of us have eyeballs (or screen readers) or two functional brain cells to rub together, but you're a poor facsimile of d&d trolls' past. you don't have your heart in it and it shows.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 16:55

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when you have allies like this, why bother having enemies

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1237401899189633024

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 17:35

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Nonsense posted:

None of you would have condoned Sanders doing this, and would have mocked him for flailing in the face of defeat.

yeah but have you considered that maybe the guy was a maga chud??????????????

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 18:16

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PerniciousKnid posted:

Every time I talk myself into Biden he talks me out of it. Like, I'm literally thinking "maybe it's worth it just to put Democrats in the courts" and the campaign floats "we're gonna reinstate the filibuster for judiciary!" Like, c'mon, this isn't asking leftists to be team players, it's asking them to be walked all over like a carpet. He's not reaching out to leftists, his whole pitch is "gently caress you, vote for me."

Personally I think you're a little ungrateful punk and I'm insulted that you refuse to have any of the diarrhea stew we've prepared for you.

There's just no winning with nihilists like you.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 18:53

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Raenir Salazar posted:

I do not believe this is something the Establishment(tm, OC do not steal) can reliable do forever going forward and that there are mitigation strategies Bernie's successor can pursue.

what are you talking about? it's so loving easy for the democratic party to perpetually go on forever unless if there's a dramatic change (e.g. - it gets destroyed from the inside via a bernie takeover, or it gets destroyed from the outside via an embarrassing loss).

here's the cliff notes:

1. run a corporatist hack with woke credentials and win on "going back to 5 years ago"
2. get hamstrung by congress then get demolished in the midterms
3. lose to an even more fascist republican 4 years later who correctly identifies that everything isn't sunshine and rainbows
4. run a corporatist hack with work credentials and win on "going back to 5 years ago"
5. get hamstrung by congress then get demolished in the midterms
6. lose to an even more fascist republican 4 years later who correctly identifies that everything isn't sunshine and rainbows
7. run a corporatist hack with work credentials and win on "going back to 5 years ago"

do you see the loving pattern now?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 19:03

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LanceHunter posted:

Honestly, I hope the Bernie wing rides with him to the very end. Full-on Bernie or Bust. Then, when Biden wins, his administration will owe absolutely nothing to them and we�ll see smart politicians no longer trying to appeal to their losing formula. Then we can actually start pushing forward effective programs that make people�s lives better without worrying that a few dozen trust fund commies and podcasts running off patreon donations call it bad praxis. (Remember when we almost had a $12/minimum wage that would have been pegged to inflation back in 2010? But the �fight for 15!� people helped kill it. Now we might get $15 a decade later when that initial $12 would be worth $15 already...)

what are you smoking because apparently it isn't mids

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 19:23

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

well, yeah, but he didn't put precisely those words in precisely that order, so

polifact and mr whistler both rate this....

PANTS ON FIRE!!!

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 22:30

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Flying-PCP posted:

I know people are mad right now, for very good reason, but also everyone itt should read this thread https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1235747743005642753

He�s a hack writer for the root, nah.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2020 06:25

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OctaMurk posted:

Considering that the founders didnt know obvious poo poo such as "slavery is bad", "men and women are equal" and "black and white people equal", I doubt that they considered pandemics.

They knew slavery was bad lmao

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 14:31

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Planks of the Democratic Party:
- Means testing
- Austerity
- Forever wars

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 19:47

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For_Great_Justice posted:

So the Dnc is just Rnc racism free (for the most part lol) soda how did anyone not get this months ago?

Like for real they tried to run two poo poo candidates twice. Fight me if you can cosider Hillary-Biden with any sort of positive qualities that isn't roach level survival skills.

BuT tHe ScArY oRaNgE mAn!!!

The democrats are a bunch of fascist enablers who in the time of global crisis couldn�t keep it in their pants and immediately went for means tested earned income tax credits.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 21:54

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Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1239997675715649539

what was biden's coronavirus plan again?

If I remember correctly, it was �invade China�.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 21:55

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The Bananana posted:

Bernie's done.

gently caress.

I was at lunch today, and 3 coworkers came sat, and talked about how Biden has a bad case of brain degradation.

And how torn up he's gonna get by trump. Who'll have no problem making fun of Biden's flubs and gaffs and linking them to dementia.

And how trump has the same dementia, but his voter base did not see or care. And i just thought

...

All this is evident to these 3 random people
To a lot of peeps in this thread. So... why did a HUGE majority of voters come out in support of biden?

Just.

idk the dems seem to be just as much as a death cult as the republicans at this point

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240070236801507328

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 02:34

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Private Witt posted:

The reason he's frustrated with a basic question from a great reporter is because he doesn't WANT to answer the question.

Hiding behind a global pandemic, as if he is somehow TOO BUSY to answer a question, is an rear end in a top hat move.

yeah, we need leadership from the likes of tom perez and neera tanden and yvette nicole brown screaming at the top of their lungs about how trying to stop the spread of covid-19 is voter suppression

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 21:31

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Gio posted:

what the hell does that have to do with guaranteeing a vaccine will be free

since russiagate didn't pan out that doesn't mean that they still can't red bait about other countries

e: to take the argument on it's own, at it's own face value

we cannot lay the blame at the democrats' feet because:
1. it's bernies (and his schrodinger-esque voters') fault that
2. private industry will create a vaccine for covid-19, and this makes sense since
3. it's a conspiracy by the entire country of SOCIALIST china

Phone fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Mar 19, 2020

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 06:21

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Sodomy Hussein posted:

Means testing means not giving it to rich people, not Nancy Pelosi sucking the souls out of poor people's bodies and into her colostomy bag while cackling, hth

people like you need a job counting individual grains of rice in 15lb bags to make sure that nobody's getting ripped off

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 06:27

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Scooter_McCabe posted:

Socialism revolves around a select few deciding what is best for everyone, in this case China decided it was best if they hid any evidence of an outbreak. It is not that dissimilar from how the USSR tried to hide Chernobyl, only until the problem was detected by other countries did they own up to it. Both socialist countries, both hiding potentially globally catastrophic disasters.

the msnbc host tryouts are in another thread

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 06:33

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Gio posted:

lol keep posting through it.

much like butt chugging alcohol, you should never attempt neera's wednesday nite barred out challenge

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 07:01

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Concerned Citizen posted:

tulsi's brother weighs in

read: gabbard demanded the vp slot and sanders went "lol no"

# ¿ Mar 20, 2020 05:26

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# ¿ May 22, 2024 04:44

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Dietrich posted:

Old people that are running political campaigns and don't understand how the internet works.

Wait, but I heard that Biden was scooping up all of Warren's staffers who were all former HIllary-people. Are you somehow implying that the Biden campaign isn't run by the most qualified experts in the field?

# ¿ Mar 23, 2020 19:42

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