Venomous posted:

Food and agriculture is still devolved in Scotland, right?

OwlFancier posted:

I slept through the freedom explosion.

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1223574358800642049?s=19

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

Edinburgh Central nominates RLB on seconds, and Butler on fourths. Kerr for Scottish deputy.

Get hosed, Murray.

North & Leith is sounding like it’s gone sour, though, which is a bad sign.

WhatEvil posted:

Laura Pidcock is cancelled.

https://twitter.com/ofthesparrows/status/1225517310284308485

Miftan posted:

Nobody ever accused right wingers of being intelligent. The tory Party is like 90% useful idiots if not more.

Ms Adequate posted:

Then why have a dig at him for it when you wanted the exact same thing?

Plus like, six seats in Wales flipped to the Tories and Labour lost about 8% of votes there, same as in England. Granted Wales has a higher Labour support base and that's good as hell and commendable, but it's not like this was solely an English fuckup.

domhal posted:

https://theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/30/uk-sued-for-approving-europes-biggest-gas-power-station

Ash Crimson posted:

Mate, the tories have and gain their power by dint of England and the English vote.

Tories do exist everywhere but they're concentrated in loving England and no amount of trying to explain that away or shift the blame onto Scotland changes that fact.

England is full of tories, accept the reality that exists.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

This is a fair point, to be honest. It's almost as if nations are irrelevant when talking about this and we should be talking about things like class interests instead.

Saith posted:

And class reductionism is no bueno you cunts.

Ash Crimson posted:

they dont care

Saith posted:

.I'm so sorry, Sir! Please don't be mad! I told him to stop, I did!

Saith posted:

Do the Scottish have a Dic Sion Dafydd equivalent, I wonder?

Ash Crimson posted:

Good luck on getting rid of nationalism in england then, you loving idiot

Wait til you hear about northen ireland you distant gently caress

Saith posted:

It's funny how you had to loving google that, mate. Funny how we share the same island but you don't have a clue about our culture. How many languages can you count in? I bet Cymraeg ain't one of them.

But seriously, you're running a podcast appealing to all the lefty unionists. You literally have a material interest in unionism now. Even if you don't make money off of it, you have a loving platform, and you're trying to expand it. I don't see any issue with what I said.

mehall posted:

Nationalism loving sucks.


British Nationalism sucks more than most.



If there's a new Indyref I'll likely be voting Yes, because in my view scottish nationalism sucks less than British nationalism, and that the UK is clearly not a functioning democracy despite all it's claims.

My overwhelming preference would be for a socialist united kingdom, but short of that I'll take materially improving the lives of the working class folk around me, because for my entire life the people around me have been the third of fourth consideration.


I have a vague hope Murdoch would have less teeth sunk into an Independent Scotland, because by most views the reason he backs the SNP is because the Tories are a non-starter, and a new Scotland could have press regulation.








But seriously, gently caress off with any of the other divisive crap in this thread.

We're (almost) all comrades, and the preference of every one of you should be for international socialism, free from borders or restrictions by capital.

it's reasonable to argue about the best way to get there, and if scottish (or welsh) independence is a potentially acceptable incrementalist approach (even if you recognise that you're not getting socialism out of the gate), but seriously gently caress off with the rest of all of this bullshit.

Ash Crimson posted:

We're not going to get socialism or anything remotely resembling that under the current system, we never will and that loving sucks but that's the reality we're all living in, the hellscape with which we must contend.

Saith posted:

But why? Why weren't you taught it in school? It takes five minutes. I learnt all sorts of numbers in primary. French, German, Dutch, Irish, Spanish, and I went to some lovely village school. I expect you learnt most of those too, so why not Cymraeg???

Here, I'll help you:

Un (een)
Dau (die)
Tri (tree)
Pedwar (Ped-Warrr like Waaaaario)
Pump (pimp)
Chwech (Uh... Khkhkhkhweh-khkhkh)
Saith (Ayyyy itsa me Scythe)
Wyth (Oi-fff)
Naw (now)
Deg (deg)

Debbie Does Dagon posted:

I spent the first 27 years of my life in Wales, and it was drilled into me that there was a long legacy of the English loving us over. When I finally came over the border I found pretty much the same arguments, just directed towards BAME people. It's all just misdirected anger. We're all struggling in broadly the same way, for broadly the same reasons, and it's not a problem that will be solved by isolating ourselves

Saith posted:

^^^'The people with the most power in society are loving us over' and 'the people with the least power in society are loving us over' are not the same argument. I'd fetch that dril tweet about good and bad things, but I don't do twitter.


They are though. When they come out swinging against us, they're ignoring that the English are, by and large, heavily nationalistic themselves, in a way that absolutely excludes us non-English Brits. It was this thread that taught me that if you don't resist the status quo, you are tacitly supporting it.


But why, ffrind? Why?? We're all equals, right? Surely, they must have taught you something about us, to help you see us as equals and not scary-sounding foreigners, right? Please tell me you can pronounce our alphabet? Or at least some of it? Just one letter... An easy one... The letter F? Please? Why wouldn't it be a part of the curriculum? God, I just can't figure it out.

Saith posted:

Nope! The English, with their English nationalism, destroyed your languages like they did to mine. And any time our languages are brought upin media, they're framed as pointless, divergent, and something to be mocked. That's why you didn't learn any Cymraeg. That's the answer to my riddle.

And there's definitely utility in learning just a little bit of Cymraeg. It's a lovely language. It feels really nice when you speak it. It just rolls off the tongue. I expect Gàidhlig and Scots is the same. It's one of history's greatest tragedies that, while we could have had Cymraeg, Gàidhlig, Francais or Kernowek, we ended up with this pig-tongue hamguage made up of grunts and squeals.

And you know, it would help to bind the UK together if we all respected one-anothers' languages but a lifetime of seeing old English pensioners protesting outside Ysgolion Gymraeg has made it so difficult for me to do.

Spuckuk posted:

We should bring back Cumbric.

Saith posted:

You guys should legit start using the word Cymry instead of Welsh tho when referring to a Welsh person

Partly because its easier and quicker to type, partly because its our word for ourselves, not based on a Saxon slur and partly because it basically means 'comrade'.

Saros posted:

UKMT you seem to be having a bit of a day. Can we talk about like, HS2 or the weird rumors about Price Andrew committing suicide going around whatsapp instead.

marktheando posted:

Forums making GBS threads the bed for anyone else? Had to refresh this page three times for it to load.


My point is that the deliberate suppression of the Scots language is within living memory. It's not some far off thing. I was raised by someone who dealt with that poo poo. Sure things are better now but the attitudes persist. Like someone will probably reply to this saying Scots is a dialect and not a language.

Ash Crimson posted:

i believe it's something called broke worm infested brains

Chuka Umana posted:

Imagine if Starmer not only believed in nothing but was a terrible party leader as well. At least Blair could win elections.

Solefald posted:

Did the discord disband or did you guys kick me out cos lol what??????

Ms Adequate posted:

The Firth of Forth consideration, surely?

OwlFancier posted:

I really hate that there's an industry based around quantifying the kind of moronic poo poo you can find in any comment section.

OwlFancier posted:

I definitely buy the theory that all of this is 99% a reaction to his bollock surgery lol.

Which sure, that can be a hard thing for some people to deal with, but like, you can't even call this a meltdown, this is tectonic activity forming an entire mountain range out of your issues. New continents are being birthed entirely filled with graham linehan's bollock neurosis. This is the creation myth, glinner descended from the heavens and cast his bollock unto the formless waters and thus was the domain of the earth formed.

Bardeh posted:

https://twitter.com/nadinebh_/status/1227280503411281920

This poo poo is loving sickening. The bloke's been here since he was 13, has three kids, and they just nabbed him one day when he went to sign on at the Home Office and stuck him in detention, and have now sent him back to Jamaica.

OwlFancier posted:

Also in his own barracks. Like he's just been rotting in the barracks for 3 weeks and nobody noticed?

Ratjaculation posted:

Wait, I thought Milton Keynes was a fictional place

Ms Adequate posted:

I revel in it, because it means that every day I survive this hell is another victory over Creation.

Yes, existence sucks and is filled with suffering, and I want as much of it as possible. gently caress the universe and all its suffering, I'm going to eke out whatever enjoyment I can and endure all the rest, this bitch is going to have to try a little harder if she wants ME to stop existing*.

* Big talk does not apply to sufficiently severe cluster headaches

OwlFancier posted:

jorbo bee movie peen0rson

Ash Crimson posted:

god its almost as if we need to leave this abortion of a nation

Ash Crimson posted:

Such as

Josef bugman posted:

That bloke from the SNP caught flirting with a 16 year old from a position of trust? Maybe that's the thing that'll get normalised!

I'm just ribbing you, if Scotland does want to leave I hope they get 1000 years of Socialism. It'd also be nice if that happened in both Ireland and Wales.

Guavanaut posted:

Guavanaut posted:

They really should have left the stake in.

forkboy84 posted:

Independent Scotland won't be a paradise and certainly has it's own problems but in my life time Scotland has gotten the government it voted for in 97, 01?(forget the exact date but it was when I was still in High School) and 05 and if you don't find that a tiny bit aggravating then fair enough but clearly lots of people do. Just shy half the voting public as of 2014 and we've had 3 more general elections where the party Scotland voted for didn't win. Which will take us to 14 and a half years Tory government as of thr next scheduled general election.

The rest of the country clearly doesn't give a gently caress about what Scotland thinks so I think it's not unreasonable to say gently caress 'em back. Sure, it could be a loving disaster but at some point I don't think I care. At least a newly independent country could start from scratch with a less bad electoral system, leading to a broadening of the political debate. Because hey, we tried entryism in a FPTP system and it failed. And it isn't as if electoral reform is going to be on the agenda in this parliament, is it?

I put my Yes vote behind me for the Corbyn years, I gave Britain a chance and all I got for it was a 50 seat Tory majority and Labour people talking about giving up and just voting Starmer because a Blairite is better than nothing. If they can give up why the gently caress can't I?

Coohoolin posted:

"Scottish exceptionalism is a myth" for a lot of people seems to mean "so we might as well not even bother trying to improve things".

Ash Crimson posted:

This hinges on the British public being logical.

They are not.

OwlFancier posted:

And I am suggesting that I do not see the distinction between the two if I'm to believe that the SNP membership and voters are actually very left and it just isn't reflected in the leadership? What, then, is the fundamental difference?