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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

I wonder if This Is Spinal Tap didn't quite have that same quality because about 99% of it really could and probably has happened with touring bands.

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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Nothing like looking at the Labour Party memberships responses to the GE to really get why independent socialist organising/vanguardism is necessary lol.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


2021 holiday season is going to be interesting as well as all the various Mediterranean and ski resorts suddenly struggle to get applicants with strong English language skills to work for nothing.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

They'll cover for their inability to do anything that helps people by being extremely racist and xenophobic so if you're doing anything this year it should be to strengthen intercommunity relations and building power to defend migrants and BAME people while also being able to blame the Tories and capitalism for the problems.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Saros posted:

I wouldn't disregard the possibility that Boris & co make impactful concessions on stuff to avoid people having to do anymore than a cheap e-visa application and maybe the ability to use the fast lanes lol. It's the one thing their base will actually notice.

Stuff like that will come at quite a price though, the EU will want significant legal protections for its citizens rights in exchange and so it's back to the four freedoms level of coverage. Will he really give in so much that we end up with a soft Brexit? Seems really unlikely unless a really convincing person manages to penetrate his social bubble and thick skull.

namesake fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 4, 2020

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Just looking at some waffle about a school a relative is thinking of sending her daughter and saw this:

Each year we have a large number of participants in the UKMT Maths Challenges

I believe the proper term is 'page snipes'.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

This is the NHS guidance regarding transpeople and Mixed Sex Accommodation:

Annex B: Delivering same-sex accommodation for trans people and gender variant children

Transgender, or trans, is a broad, inclusive term referring to anyone whose personal experience of gender extends beyond the typical experiences of their assigned sex at birth. It includes those who identify asnon-binary.Under the Equality Act 2010, individuals who have proposed, begun or completed reassignment of gender enjoy legal protection against discrimination. A trans person does not need to have had, or be planning, any medical gender reassignment treatment to be protected under the Equality Act: it is enough if they are undergoing a personal process of changing gender. In addition, good practice requires that clinical responses be patient-centred, respectful and flexible towards all transgender people whether they live continuously or temporarily in a gender role that does not conform to their natal sex.

General key points are that:
•Trans people should be accommodated according to their presentation: the way they dress, and the name and pronouns they currently use.
•This may not always accord with the physical sex appearance of the chest or genitalia.
•It does not depend on their having a gender recognition certificate (GRC) or legal name change.
•It applies to toilet and bathing facilities (except, for instance, that pre-operative trans people should not share open shower facilities).
•Views of family members may not accord with the trans person’s wishes, in which case, the trans person’s view takes priority.

Those who have undergone transition should be accommodated according to their gender presentation. Different genital or breast sex appearance is not a bar to this, since sufficient privacy can usually be ensured through the use of curtains or by accommodation in a single side room adjacent to a gender appropriate ward. This approach may be varied under special circumstances where, for instance, the treatment is sex-specific and necessitates a trans person being placed in an otherwise opposite gender ward. Such departures should be proportionate to achieving a ‘legitimate aim’, for instance, a safe nursing environment. This may arise, for instance, when a trans man is having a hysterectomy in a hospital, or hospital ward that is designated specifically for women, and no side room is available. The situation should be discussed with the individual concerned and a joint decision made as to how to resolve it. In addition to these safeguards, where admission/triage staff are unsure of a person’s gender, they should, where possible, ask discreetly where the person would be most comfortably accommodated. They should then comply with the patient’s preference immediately, or as soon as practicable. If patients are transferred to a ward, this should also be in accordance with their continuous gender presentation (unless the patient requests otherwise). If,on admission, it is impossible to ask the view of the person because he or she is unconscious or incapacitated then, in the first instance, inferences should be drawn from presentation and mode of dress. No investigation as to the genital sex of the person should be undertaken unless this is specifically necessary to carry out treatment. In addition to the usual safeguards outlined in relation to all other patients, it is important to take into account that immediately post-operatively, or while unconscious for any reason, those trans women who usually wear wigs, are unlikely to wear them in these circumstances, and may be ‘read’ incorrectly as men. Extra care is therefore required so that their privacy and dignity as women areappropriately ensured. Trans men whose facial appearance is clearly male, may still have female genital appearance, so extra care is needed to ensure their dignity and privacy as men. Non-binary individuals, who do not identify as being male or female, should also be asked discreetly about their preferences, and allocated to the male or female ward according to their choice.
Trans men and non-binary individuals can become pregnant and should be treated with dignity whileusing maternity services. Further advice on providing services to trans people can be found in Providing services for transgender customers on GOV.UK.

Seems good to me.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Also anyone who got themselves arrested and booked has already failed basic activism and is likely to be a risk to any other groups they join.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

gh0stpinballa posted:

fao podcast peeps, are you still making the show? my feed hasn't updated for ages :/

One on USpol is being edited, hilariously it's before Iowa so already out of date, there's a recording happening this very second for this week and there's a special guest one planned for next week which we're working through the final stages of.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Guavanaut posted:

Sex is like a land freehold,

Ah that explains why me and other millenials don't have any.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

His Divine Shadow posted:

Got recommended this video by youtube, not finished with it yet but it's interesting. About boomers stealing their kids futures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXzvjBYW8A

The focus on the age groupings really missing something vital - that the inequality between the age groups is the same as the inequality within the boomer generation. Things like the triple lock have really helped lessen pensioner poverty and the rates of home ownership do all make a huge impact on the lives and expenditure of the elderly but when talking about who owns everything it's still very much the 1% rather than the elderly. It's really really important to keep stressing that because the solution of 'genocide the olds' isn't actually just or a solution to the inequality.

Really the most intriguing part is the proposed remedy at the end, it's totally insufficient rubbish but shows how the Tory mindset looks at this and tries to deal with it.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Super hyped for shortages of goods caused by non-Brexit related global events. Goes to show you can never predict these things!

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

While this is absolutely a means of giving millions of pounds of public money to consultancy firms and never building anything at all this is exactly the sort of glamourous failure that can be weaponised for years to come as all other investment spending fails to materialise.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Hobo posted:

Bath final:
Leader:
RLB: 47
Starmer: 45

Deputy:
Raynor: 45
Butler: 43

Looks like Bath CLP is better than some Bristol ones lol

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

If you're going for nuanceless condemnation of demographic groups for being poo poo Tories why are you blaming the English rather than the elderly? That's a much stronger connection.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Spuckuk posted:

I suggest we refer to every grouping as 'Youse'

Mind your wes' and youse.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Chucat posted:

Yeah that's literally what I was thinking of. I legitimately have no idea what their conversion (lol) rate is, but I'm sure it's not high.

It's not great and even if it was it's also politically incoherent for left wing liberational politics. You aren't bringing the word of God to people, telling them how to live, you're there to show how the problems in their lives are structural and the solutions are based around collective action. They need to be involved in doing things, not just hearing things in exchange for essentials.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Zizek murdered him live on stage so it was only a matter of time before his lifeforce disappeared.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Between Twains passage on the twin terrors and noted American war criminal JFK saying "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." I've got two very simply summaries of what kinds of violence will or won't exist so I'm comfortable with the idea of using it in a liberation movement.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


She's off the ballot so it would be weird as hell but not in a good way, she'd play nice with everyone as she'll still want a career afterwards and novara wouldn't press her on anything for the same reason. I don't see what you'd expect to get from it?

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Roblo posted:

Brace yourself goons, it's gonna get real wet over the weekend.

If you live in Devon and you get any flood warnings, that was me. I'll try work in a 'stairs' comment or something.

"Waters will rise to over 3 metres so if you have stairs in your house you will not be protected."

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

u brexit ukip it posted:

I do look forward to the trade negotiations between PM Johnson and US President Bernie Sanders.

Still feel significant grief it wasn't Corbyn and Trump briefly before Corbyn and Sanders.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Pantsmaster Bill posted:

Ugh the TERFs are posting a load of shite on my CLP Facebook group and I don’t feel like i can respond because they are already complaining that everyone pushing back on them is a man

Start with RLBs statements and take it from there?

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

bump_fn posted:

is it legal for a bank to have a policy of not letting you open an account if you don’t speak english

oh who am i kidding

Yeah there might be some restrictions around guaranteeing they understand the terms they are signing up for but not a unilateral bar.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Ms Adequate posted:

The greatest shame of the 20th century was not doing Operation Unthinkable,

Because you think the USSR would win or....???

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Darth Walrus posted:

Read the rest of her post. It's not entirely serious.

Oops. I read good.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Ms Adequate posted:

Oh I just think comboing straight from the largest war in human history into an even larger one would be the galaxy brain move.

Yeah sorry I am not posting good tonight. I'm still a bit tired from the weekend it seems.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Niric posted:

I don't have much to add, but I thought this was an excellent post on a topic that doesn't really get discussed all that much, but should. There's a lot of assumptions about all the great stuff that RLB is definitely going to do to radically reshape the party, but as far as I can tell a lot of it is just people having huge faith in the power of open selections to be transformative

Yes it's completely correct but I think it can be separated into two strains of analysis:

1) the efforts were cut short: there was real change in the NEC and other higher level institutions in the party but there hadnt been the level of penetration into the mid level like councillors and CLP leadership and no progress at the MP level so the proper connection/pipeline between membership and leadership hasn't taken place. If that keeps rolling then even if the main uniting force didn't success first time then the project can succeed overall.

2) we confused the movement with the party: people do care about the things that the Labour party promised but there was a mistaken belief that a volunteer project can replace a rooted materially driven ideological understanding of why people needed to fight and vote in 2019.

Basically you either have to force more power to the Labour membership to continue the reform of the party or move to looking outside of the party to direct and build the existing social forces which gave the Labour Party strength to begin with.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

OwlFancier posted:

Or both, because giving more power to the membership allows it to be concurrent with external organizations.

Sure I guess the use of 'or' was a false dichotomy but there's a bit of 'reform or revolution' in there as well which is very important now.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Pilchenstein posted:

Once again, I ask you to specify what you think we should have done differently, other than nebulous poo poo like "don't believe as hard" or "have less faith in ourselves" :v:

The conclusion is clear - from 2015-17 the attempts at reconcilation with the Labour right were the correct approach because the ideological leanings of party members and the public weren't really known. From the 2017 GE they were demonstrably known and favouring the left. At that point we should have asserted our strength, pushed for open selection to get out the rightwing or force them into silence and gotten Tom Watson fired while refusing to accept the anti-semitism attacks as legitimate criticism, encouraging the development of other leftist media outlets where people didn't have to hear liberals making things up every day and using that drive and effort to embed activism and social political organisations in communities.

We didn't so we've just got to do that last bit and hope that the Labour party either listens and retains the values that Corbyn did or is replaced by a proper leftwing party.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

ronya posted:

this seems like a representative statement of a common inthread thesis, so let me lay out the obligatory counternarrative

The trade union leadership is heavily entrenched and poo poo making them a right-wing block against necessary left wing reforms as you've illustrated here along with GMB nearly sinking the Green New Deal motion at 2019 conference because they wanted to defend fracking and Mark Serwotka making pro-TERF statements in defence of his bigoted wife. gently caress them.

The 2017 GE took everyone by surprise but as far as theme and style went the conversation wasn't about Brexit (because the party agreed with it), it was about reinvestment, refunding and doing things in a left wing way. That could and should have been used as an anvil to crush the right wing narrative thereafter if the tools had been developed and used for that purpose.

Basically the only way it could have worked was a co-ordinated squeeze from the top and the bottom against the middle rungs of the Labour party and the top wasn't aggressive enough and working with the angry base enough to take over completely and Labour paid the price.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Chuka Umana posted:

I think seeing what the gov unveils in the budget is key to understanding how Labour is going to work the next five years. If all the reports are right and Johnson basically reverses austerity with tons of new infrastructure spending and implements the wealth and mansion tax, what else can Labour run on?

They're going to run on rejoining the EU aren't they?

There's a few directions they can take - one is rejoining the EU, seeking to take the Lib Dem-Cameron Tory electoral space, another is general social progressiveness as a front plank, so taking up the trans rights as central to their politics and making specific pro-migration arguments and a third is pushing the green worker ownership models to the front so that both parties agree that money should be spent on all parts of the country and the discussion rests around the sorts of companies that receive the money, large corporations or community owned enterprises basically.

The latter two are worthy causes and if done right will get back the 2017 coalition, the first one is suicide. I really can't see Starmer adopting the third one in any significant manner as there simply wasn't much of that within the 2017 manifesto which he seems to think is a compromise position at this point and while he might do the second one he'll do it in a manner of top down liberal rights framework rather than worker solidarity which will probably get the Eastern European response to the EU legislating minority rights (i.e. a major reactionary backlash).

Nothingtoseehere posted:

Cool, when are you starting the armed struggle then? Since that's the only other path that isn't parliamentarism in all but name.

Meet me and the others in the car park at 9. Bring some sandwiches and leave your phone at home.

Edit: how you cut your sandwiches is the first test.

namesake fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Feb 24, 2020

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

OwlFancier posted:

I mean technically the axis isn't wrong, in that the NHS remains more "government in charge" than M4A by a good margin. But johnson probably doesn't like that lol.

Yeah M4A is basically 'what if we privatised all of the Trusts' here so there's a lot that's going to be crap about it but it's hitting the 'free at the point of use' criteria which the USA are going crazy over and it's no surprise.

If Corbyn had gotten in then it would be a very interesting way of comparison between the two systems as they went about getting rid of their private elements and the impacts of them.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Having never joined the Labour Party I really can't be hosed waiting around to see whether the left can reclaim the leadership and clear out the rightwingers properly this time when I can be spending that energy and attention on necessary struggles now.

Good luck and all but don't get so obsessed with infighting that you forget there's capitalism as a system in general to overthrow.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

thespaceinvader posted:

If you can offer practical suggestions for a better way, we're all ears.

There's a really really strong case to make that legislation is not what leads society, instead it lags behind the power struggles in society which then legislation eventually updates to reflect the expectations and needs of the society - I.e. organised working class movements came together and made demands of their employers and fought against them which then eventually let to the legal recognition of trade unions and then eventually the Labour Party, gay rights groups organised and campaigned for the legalisation of homosexuality, environmental groups tried to save the planet long before there was a environment section in party manifestos.

So if you care about something then go out into the world and build a strong movement demanding it happen on your terms, letting some political groups come and associate themselves if they want and then whenever some electoral thing comes around use the movement and power it has to demand that all participants promise to support your cause and if they turn out to be poo poo then keep using the power the movement has to wreck them, either by entryism or outright replacing them.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Nothingtoseehere posted:

Also lol at someone who never joined the biggest hope the left had in the past 30 years smugly sitting out and saying there's more important poo poo to do.

Don't be ridiculous, i was a supporter, I went canvassing for him and actually ended up getting interviewed by AFP in support of him because I can see the benefits of the Corbynist project but there's no parliamentary road to socialism.

Guavanaut posted:

It's also pretty bad at influencing macroeconomic or macrosocial effects unless the movements get very big.

Nothing has ever had a big movement appear overnight, Corbyns support had centuries of labour activism and radical politics and theory all combine in a freak event. You build power where you are and you make changes when you start to use it.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Guavanaut posted:

That's why it's more important to look for existing movements that are closely aligned with what you want to achieve, rather than pulling movements fully formed from the seafoam.

Yeah of course but you can't just say "Well that's the Labour Party then." and devote all your energy into clearing out the right wing because at best all you've done is set the stage for what you actually need to do - convince the public that what you're trying to do is good and get them to support that. You're allowed to go directly to the people and allow the working class to organise and hold power themselves.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

thespaceinvader posted:

Again, HOW?!

What actual, practical THING are you suggesting that people should do? Becasue 'go directly to the people and allow them to organise and hold power' isn't a specific, practical thing I can put on some shoes, step outside my door, and do, is it?

I can't be precise because I don't know anything about you, where you are or what specifically you care about. Think about some injustice in the country or issue in your area, talk to people you know about it, go and join a pre existing organisation with a focus on tackling it directly rather than electing officials or start one of your own if there isn't one, think about what needs to change and who can change it and then go and start being a pain in their lives until they do what you want.

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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Pistol_Pete posted:

Yeah, Boris is too lazy to negotiate, so come December he'll either sign up to everything the EU's demanded (and then claim he hasn't), or we'll crash out with a no-deal Brexit.

The fun part is, we have no idea which it's going to be!

Supply chains are going to get completely wrecked this year though to the extent that the public will notice. There's a good chance that the knowledge that that'll happen again in January will get business and the public motivated enough to force the government to soft Brexit.

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