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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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I wonder what the April fools' jokes are going to look like on the news sites this year.

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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Just lol if you don't know the Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch song for perfect pronounciation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXKsQ2nbno

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Labour elections finish tomorrow, I'm looking at Jo Bird and Cecile Wright for the NEC positions. Any strong reasons to go for Lauren Townsend or someone else instead before I click submit?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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You should also be able to call your bank and have the ATM withdrawal limit temporarily raised - I've done that before to pay tradies.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Nurge posted:

"It's totally ok that the genocidal authoritarian racist regime lied about the numbers because you see we're not doing so good, mostly because they lied. Wait what am I saying doo doo pee pee."
I'm willing to believe the numbers out of China aren't accurate, but I'm struggling to see a criticism in your post that can't be just as easily levelled at the UK or the US. Who for sure also don't have reliable numbers either and who we can reasonably suspect of intentionally keeping it that way.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Endjinneer posted:

Some poor intern graphic designer got the job of updating the graph and decided this was their big break. While the sub-editors dropped like flies and the newsroom lights clicked out, our lonely hero worked on. The counts come in around the clock. Beijing. Baton Rouge. Brussels. No time to sleep or eat, just a few of those really speedy diet pills washed down with Monster Energy. Then back to the graphs. Beijing again. Baton Rouge. Brussels.
The phone rings. It's morning again, from the colour of the sky. Chief editor on the line. What is it this time? More little stars on each data series representing the first day of lockdown? Floating comment boxes with asinine summaries? Half a dozen more countries in different colours and shades broadly representing half baked racial preconceptions?

"Hi, er, pal. Great job with the graph! On the conference call yesterday everyone was really impressed with how you've taken charge of it. Listen, we really really like the logarithmic scale. It's so scientific-y. When Mark from finance explained how it would look on a normal graph we really were terrified! But we also found it confusing. You really have to sort of, almost read it to understand it. Like sit down and think like it's a novel or something. Nobody wants that. Soooooo... Is there a way to make it keep the lines nice and calm and straight, but at the same time also sort of not do the logarithmic anymore? And I've got an idea for when America starts poking out the top..."

I think they talked her down from the roof eventually.

If you wanted to flatten those lines you could just include error bars and scale the graph to fit them.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Looking forward to seeing the new leader of the Labour Party fruitfully working together with *checks notes* uh, a failed former Liberal Democrat, now a blogger.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

e: For extra fun the antenna that burned in Birmingham (it's still a little unclear if it was deliberate arson or not) wasn't 5G capable, neither was the one being worked on in that video of the person shouting at two poor telco blokes about "essential work".

Yeah well they would be saying that now, wouldn't they?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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I noticed with what Starmer has been saying its all we'll take a look at retail workers' pay "after the crisis is over". We'll deal with large companies "once we've dealt with corona virus".

No we loving won't, at that point it's too late and the power of back with them. Now is exactly the time to demand that things change.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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jabby posted:

it just (unfairly) makes people think he's a weak leader.
Listen, if the man can't even control his own lungs how can he be trusted to run the country?

Also

big scary monsters posted:

I hope Johnson lives to stand trial for his crimes.

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Apr 6, 2020

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Posting on a :yosnice: page.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Gravastars posted:

Boris Johnson has 5 or 6 children, and I hope they all go blind.

It's a Stewart Lee bit that I can't quite recall, something to do with Gordon Brown. It's just a joke, like on Top Gear.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Tesseraction posted:

That's his story. Ask Sarah for the real one.

For Gove "self-isolating" is more an adjective than a verb.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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CSM posted:

I'm glad your beloved prime minister is sitting upright again, Brits.
We're very proud. Soon the prime minister will be starting to crawl, maybe we'll even hear his first word. I wonder what it will be.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Corbyn failed at the ballot box, but the purpose of politics isn't to win elections, it's to win policies. I think Corbynism had plenty of success there - the current Tory government is cribbing from his manifesto. It took a world-halting epidemic, yes, but I wonder how the government's response and its judgement in the media would have looked without 5 years of serious mainstream conversations about socialism. Even in the election the Tories were making manifesto promises that were clear responses to Labour policy. Likewise Starmer's platform surely wouldn't be to the left of Milliband's without the Corbynist victories within the Labour Party, and Momentum wouldn't exist as a pressure group to try and keep things that way.

Looking at Corbyn's time as an unmitigated failure because of election defeats is to miss the point. Obviously a Labour government would have been a bigger victory because it would have seen more of the good stuff happen, but I don't think we should underestimate the impact of Corbyn's time as leader in changing the politics of the country. If you want an example of another electoral failure that was entirely successful at a political project, UKIP and Farage are a good case study.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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It is at least implied in the article that the work is both voluntary and paid. Removing one or both of those is presumably the next step and this is just testing the waters.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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What legislation has there been so far granting police additional powers and creating new crimes related to quarantine and infection. Or under what existing legislation are police harassing people out shopping and sitting in their gardens? Does someone have a good summary?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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big scary monsters posted:

What legislation has there been so far granting police additional powers and creating new crimes related to quarantine and infection. Or under what existing legislation are police harassing people out shopping and sitting in their gardens? Does someone have a good summary?
OK I took a look and there are, in England, three main pieces of legislation relating to emergency provisions due to coronavirus, as well as a whole host of other administrative ones. The big one is the Coronavirus Act 2020, which is extremely long and tedious and concerns itself with amending previous legislation to allow important but boring stuff like rush registration of nurses, allowing deaths to be registered without in-person meetings, allowing courts to conduct business through teleconferencing, closing schools, and so on. It's all about systems and organisations and not really about imposing restrictions on individual liberties. There are two statutory instruments that do that.

Firstly, The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 is the one that allows for people to be quarantined. It has provisions to enforce testing by various health officials, to isolate people at home or in another suitable facility, and empowers the police to make people go to hospital if they're suspected of being infected and to detain them there until they can be tested and assessed. Then, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 is the one that places restrictions on everyone else, healthy or no. It replaces the earlier business closure order The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Business Closure) (England) Regulations 2020 and outlines which businesses must close and which can stay open. It prohibits gatherings of more than two people not from the same household except in a few cases like funerals, moving house and legal proceedings. And it imposes a bunch of restrictions on movement - you can't leave the house without a good reason, more or less in line with what everyone thinks that means. A couple of these in particular:

(a)to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money, including from any business listed in Part 3 of Schedule 2;
So possibly the police might have a leg to stand on if people are going out solely for the purpose of buying things that are not basic necessities, whatever that might mean.

(b)to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;
Note that there is no restriction in terms of time or amount of exercise; the curtain twitchers snitching on people who aren't sticking to once a day for one hour or less can jog on.

(d)to provide care or assistance, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006(1), to a vulnerable person, or to provide emergency assistance;
I think a couple people ITT have been concerned about this - you can still help out vulnerable friends or family if you need to.

If you break the movement restrictions the police can fine you sixty quid, reduced to thirty if you pay within fourteen days. I think that's it.

The Act applies to the whole of the UK; it's a devolved matter but Scotland and Wales both assented to it. Scotland passed some additional stuff about evictions, bankruptcies and Scotlaw-specific stuff. Wales brought a similar statutory instrument to England, but also closed off a bunch of public land and gave "relevant persons" the power to enter private premises if they suspect the rules are being broken there. Scotland's statutory instrument looks to more or less follow England's.

I didn't read Northern Ireland's legislation because I don't really understand what goes on there, sorry.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

Which is the one that allows only one doctor to section you? That sounds like it's the bit where Windrush scale fuckups are likely to happen.
Do you mean sectioning in the mental health sense? I haven't seen anything relating to that. But yeah under The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 one "registered public health consultant" can have you detained for coronavirus testing and potentially quarantined.

quote:

Detention of persons by the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant
4.—(1) Where Condition A or B is met in relation to a person (“P”), the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant may, for the purposes of screening, assessment and the imposition of any restrictions or requirements under regulation 5, impose on P a requirement to be detained until the later of—

(a)the end of the period of 48 hours beginning with the time from which P’s detention under this regulation begins;
(b)such time as any screening requirements imposed on or in relation to P under regulation 5(1) have been complied with and the assessment referred to in that regulation carried out in relation to P.
(2) Condition A is that—

(a)the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant has reasonable grounds to believe that P is, or may be, infected or contaminated with Coronavirus; and
(b)the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant considers that there is a risk that P might infect or contaminate others.
(3) Condition B is that P—

(a)has arrived in England on an aircraft, ship or train from outside the United Kingdom, whether directly or via Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales; and
(b)has left, or the Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant has reasonable grounds to believe P has left, an infected area within the 14 day period immediately preceding the date of P’s arrival in England.

quote:

Isolation of persons suspected to be infected with Coronavirus
8.—(1) This regulation applies where Condition A or B (set out in regulation 4) is met in relation to a person (“P”).

(2) The Secretary of State or a registered public health consultant may require P to be kept in isolation, if the Secretary of State or, as the case may be, registered public health consultant —

(a)has reasonable grounds to believe that P is, or may be, infected or contaminated with Coronavirus; and
(b)considers that it is necessary and proportionate to do so in order to reduce or remove the risk of P infecting or contaminating others.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Is it too late for Johnson to relapse and die? I've changed my mind about seeing him survive to stand trial.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I think some of you will enjoy this article about the end of life for oil rigs. It's long - 10500 words, and a nice geeky change from viruses.

theguardian.com/business/2017/may/02/where-oil-rigs-go-to-die



The Graun posted a list of 25 of its long reads and that oil rig one is the first one I have read.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/mar/30/looking-for-a-distraction-here-are-25-of-our-favourite-long-reads

Thank you for the recommendation, I haven't looked at the oil rig one yet but there are some interesting reads there!

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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OwlFancier posted:



<the hot fuzz shotgun "shame" gif except it's somehow a guillotine>

Really takes a royal to come out with this kind of poo poo. Sure, millions of people are out of work, thousands are dying, the country has no leadership and is increasingly isolated from the rest of the world, but this is Britain at its loving best.

Marie Antoinette probably didn't say "let them eat cake", but if William had been there he certainly would have.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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ThomasPaine posted:

Quite exhausting to see so many people willing to sacrifice almost half a decade of left resurgence because of one setback. Hell, with this report there's a pile of opportunity to fight back internally in a lasting way. All very shortsighted and naive imho. If anything this would make me more likely to join and get involved if I wasn't already in.

It can't be emphasised enough that leaving is playing directly into Blairite hands and is exactly what they want. Leave if you must, but don't make out that doing so is somehow a radical, principled decision that's going to do anything for the cause of socialism.
Pfft, let them have it. I happen to know that there's an organisation with widespread public approval, the undying adoration of the entire press, huge political power, tonnes of money, a proven track record of winning elections, and a tiny and moribund membership ripe for entryism. Friends, I am pleased to call to order the first meeting of the United Kingdom Marxist Thread Conservative Association.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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ThomasPaine posted:

Lmao can you loving imagine

pablo gbscobar posted:

I mean, it worked wonders for UKIP and the Brexit Party...

If you aren't willing to join the Tories in the name of socialism then can you really claim to be more than a politics fan who happens to cheer for the red team?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

If I was confident that I could get at least half of the 560,000 to join me then I would. Otherwise it's a bit "could you imagine if the Klan became >50% African American and Jewish" in terms of trying to steer the sewage tanker around by throwing money at it.

I'm not sure how much power the Conservative membership actually has. It's a far less democratic institution than Labour as far as I recall, with the power firmly in the hands of MPs and CCHQ. I'm just tickled by the idea of the Tories slowly becoming a socialist party in policy and neither the press nor the general public noticing.

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Apr 13, 2020

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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I'm not normally one to nitpick people's writing, especially in a casual setting like this, cos when people do that it's usually as a lazy gotcha. But it seems no fucker, including Tweetman, can spell the name of the Labour leader. So I will point it out this once, not having a go at anyone specifically, because I keep seeing it and it's a slightly unusual name: it's Keir Starmer, e before i, not Kier.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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XMNN posted:

maybe these people have subliminally conditioned everyone

https://www.kier.co.uk/

I only realised a couple of days ago that starmers name was spelt differently

Yeah I think Kier is a variant that is also used. People misspell my name a lot too so maybe I feel especially that a persons' name is one thing that you should try and spell and pronounce correctly. Unless you're specifically making fun of them like with the current and previous health ministers.

e: Or France's Tweet Man

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 13, 2020

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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crispix posted:

I fixed my post. I forget it's a Celtic name and I default to German pronunciation of ei and ie

Alt-right alt-history fanfic favourite, Kier Stürmer.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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The stuff in the report about Diane Abbott really sticks with me - these people spouting thinly veiled racism in WhatsApp and laughing at her crying, a few months before that Amnesty report came out that said Abbott alone received almost half of all the Twitter abuse against female MPs. She got so much poo poo that she had her own category, and the party staff who ought to have been protecting and supporting her were right there doing the same stuff. It's so gross.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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nah

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 13, 2020

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Some sort of reverse Batman, maybe. Manbat? Tabnam? Something along those lines.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

That's always been how power has worked, writing or not.

Yeah, for sure. I just feel too tired to even want to talk about it right now.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:


And no, I will never buy boots. Boots suck. Trainers 4 lyfe

Safety boots are good, mine are very comfortable and I'm wearing them at work right now. They are Finnish and as well as saving my toes from heavy things they keep out the snow and keep my feet warm at -20°C. Recommended if you have toes in a cold place.

e: the soles are also heat resistant so they may be suitable for toes in hot places but I have not tested this. I think it'd be sweaty.

big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Apr 14, 2020

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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DesperateDan posted:

is fine with having traitors on the team I'm sure that won't come back to bite him
Every movie villain knows that when someone turns traitor on your behalf, then after the job is done you feed them to the sharks or push them off a cliff or have them shot twice in the back of the head, cos you can't loving trust them. Starmer is doing a reasonably good job of looking like the blithely evil businessman style of bad guy, but ultimately I think he's the type whose chair turns out to be above the piranha tank, not the one pulling the lever.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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JordanKai posted:

See, this is why it's ideal to be addicted to Peanut M&Ms. Every grocery store chain has their own store-brand equivalent you can buy instead. :slick:

Oh god, the Lidl brand version of peanut M&Ms is so good, so cheap, and comes in such a large bag that it's just irresponsible even to sell them.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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If Abbott can see her way to staying a Labour member after all this then I reckon I can manage the same.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Imagine forgetting your number six most hated country. Deeply embarrassing.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

If there is a correlation, it's probably not going to be antibody-mediated, think it would be more some other kind of non-B-cell immune priming

It's because you already got the government mind control treatment the first time so there's no need to give you coronavirus as well.

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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Someone mentioned it, but I've no way of checking.

It did spread later/more slowly in East Germany, but then the East is still poorer than the West, and has fewer large international businesses based there. Given that returning holidaymakers and business travellers were responsible for a lot of the early spread of the virus, that could be a big factor already. Plus the East is more rural and more sparsely populated. Could be that BCG rates have had an effect there, but it may well not be the biggest one.

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