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Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Pesky Splinter posted:

Thought it looked familiar.

Weren't they literally anathema in the sense of being set aside from other sacrifices for destruction (or am I thinking of azazel)?

Either one is fitting for Gove.

I thought it was where you put all the sins of the community into and then let it go into the wilderness to let Azazel have their due?

I think we are going to need a bigger goat if we want to put all our sins in one.

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Josef bugman
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Whilst we are on the subject of home decor, how much change can I make to a room that I am renting? I haven't added any studs to the wall (used a few of them though for hanging things) but would like to know what exactly the legal grounds are for repurposing stuff?

Thanks folks!

Josef bugman
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I don't think China responded well to a lot of the initial virus stages, and I am sure the stats are wrong because all stats are wrong until at least a few months after the fact, but the sheer casual racism that you see in a lot of places about this is both really dispiriting and unsurprising.

Josef bugman
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Jippa posted:

China loving everyone and people going over the top in response can both be true. It isn't either or.

hosed up if true.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I hope he loses, but will be sticking with Labour for at least a bit.

I think remaining in whilst also calling for lots of changes is important. It's why I still believe in electoralism.

Also, gently caress Xcom on Legendary mode. It is an agonising wait for anything and I need like 3 full squads of people to even make a dent at higher levels.

Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Apr 2, 2020

Josef bugman
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Failed Imagineer posted:

I can understand still participating in electoralism, but believing in it? Lol

Participating/ hoping that it works and preparing for it to not work. But fair.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Barry Foster posted:

Think that's the difference between us bman

Chucat posted:

When we can't even get Neil Coyle deselected I don't loving care about believing in electoralism anymore.

I know. I'm sorry. It's hard but I do think we can at least make improvements to ourselves through times of difficulty.

I am really appreciative of all the talk we have in this thread.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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It's weird, I am feeling a little better following the first few weeks of quarantine.

I have my daily routine, I have my books to read, I have my food prepared and I get to speak to folks here and on phones. I am volunteering/ getting my volunteering thing put in place so I am probably going to get busier quite soon, and I would never wish any of the suffering we are all going through right now on anyone, but it could always be worse.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:

I have read about 10 of the Bernard Cromwell Sharpe books in the last 3 weeks. Also gone back to the Complete Marvel Reading Order & reading so many comic books. Missing my wrestling though. There's been 9 shows this month I've watched, which...well, significantly down on what it should be to the point where I even watched 2 Stardom shows & some Big Japan which aren't in my regular rotation. Been no New Japan Cup, missed a few Dragon Gate shows, several AJPW & NOAH. And now this month All Japan have cancelled their big tournament. It's nice having time & all but I'm pretty much just done with this now, give me my Japanese wrestling back.

I have a couple of freaking hefty books that I have been looking to get through for a while, big book of Korean history Myths and Gods of India etc. Finally finished Xcom on legendary, God after a certain point it was like pulling teeth.

I'm sorry your shows aren't on though mate.

Josef bugman
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Again, I think staying in Labour is probably a good thing for the forseeable, and sticking it out for the long haul is probably a good thing.

Josef bugman
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUsu1R3bOvY

I've been listening to this for most of today. It kind of reminds me of a lot of old "workplace" songs.

Josef bugman
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That's more than understandable.

Communist Thoughts posted:

if it aint supply chain it will be soon. we basically need to make sure domestic food is harvested and also make sure the majority of our food from abroad can get in very quickly.
thats even more complicated than the quarantine and i dont think the gov has even begun to think about it

Why? As in why do we need to make sure our food from abroad can get in quickly?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I think the crows have a calculator, thus making them

Counting Crows.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Almost all the replies are dunking on the idea of paying for it.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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WOW, this absolutely facile mother fucker.

Josef bugman
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sebzilla posted:

I'm not crying, you're crying!

This reason is why I am sticking in Labour. If Corbyn was able to, then I should to.

Josef bugman
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I went to pick up stuff from my local today. Lots of folks stood far away from each other outside, but loving hell they are not tracking who is coming in early on. It was stupid busy inside, and there were no baked beans at all.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I like seeing you folk talking and that is the internet!

Josef bugman
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Barry Foster posted:

So he will pay lip service to them while not pursuing them and in fact pursuing the exact opposite.

You are being Democrat-ed. You are being Biden-ed.

I doubt that Keir Starmer has raped anyone.

Like this is bad, but we still have our people in place and I hope (it may be forlorn but it is there) that we can try new things and hopefully push through stuff that is needed. We still have each other and I think rage is a good response, but it needs to be done with an eye to make things better, not just to be angry in ourselves.

Josef bugman
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I think being cross is good only if it helps, Azza I think you have chosen extraordinarily badly in your voting and I think that you will probably see this across the next few months. If it does turn out bad, will you apologise?

We've still got options, just not as many and we need to make sure that we are working towards something, Going out and helping people (especially at this time) and saying why you are helping "I'm a socialist" etc will be more important to a lot of folks than just ticking a box every few years.

Josef bugman
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If you think Labour is poo poo that is great, I can more than believe that folks don't want electoralism and believe it is a hiding to nothing. It's just that that requires a collective response against this shitness, not as individuals but as a collective unit. I hope that this thread remains open to organising outside of the, quite frankly not especially great, confines of the Labour party.

But to do that I think we've got to try and actually reach folks. More so than TV and Newspapers do. That isn't going to be easy by any stretch, but it is something I hope we can all do. I don't know exactly how to do this, especially not at the moment, but I do hope that we can do something.

I'm volunteering to help the local council at the moment, and I am going to try and make it clear to folk that I do help that it's because I am a socialist and believe in helping others. It's not much of a hope, and we are still not getting out of this alive, but it's better than nothing.

I am sorry if this is lovely. I don't like being an arse. Please keep safe folks.

Josef bugman
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Jippa posted:

Anyone been out today? I was expecting loads of people but it was very quiet. No real queue at the supermarket.

Nah, been at home all day. Started playing pathologic 2.

Josef bugman
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Kegluneq posted:

Avoiding the clouds of plague gas in that game is very good practice for dodging elderly dog walkers in real life too!

Keeping your friends and family alive to the end is best achieved by not visiting them regularly however.

I am on the second day and I am already panicking about not getting anything done and not knowing when I have done "enough" please send help.

Josef bugman
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Kegluneq posted:

Honestly I get massive anxiety about 'missing' stuff in games like this, and played the original with a guide (admittedly one somehow even more poorly translated than the game).

You can just save before having a good explore and reload if you think you've faffed around too much. Generally each day has a few key plot points you need to achieve and it'll be fairly obvious if something went to poo poo.

I should probably do this. Urrrghh though.

Josef bugman
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Might not be to your taste, but I quite like Honey Dew.

Josef bugman
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Jesus Christ why are so many people so eager to feel angry and upset?

Is there an actual reason for it, or is it because we are trained like Pavlov's loving dogs to just get angry at poo poo because it's the only emotion we can actually feel.

Josef bugman
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Brendan Rodgers posted:

Ghosts are real now?

I mean a spectre is certainly haunting Europe.

Josef bugman
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlDEzmSff3M

Except in this instance it is "the consequences of my own actions".

What happens if all of the "important" Tory folks get the Corona virus? Do we end up having to do another election?

Josef bugman
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OwlFancier posted:

Nah, they will sort it out among themselves. They'll have byelections if they cark it and there's no way enough of them get it to actually put a dent in their majority.

I mean, if anything is going to derail the Tories it's going to be all of their "big hitters" suddenly dropping.

Also, does anyone have any analysis of 2019 and 2017 elections? In terms of what can and should be done from a socialist perspective.

Josef bugman
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Tarnop posted:

So has racism. Should he be doing a racism?

No. But this does open up a rather large can of worms about what/ how/ who we are supposed to wield power for.

Josef bugman
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I wonder why it is considered "Ghoulish" to wish death on an individual, but not so when people make attempts to change things that will cut short the lives of many.

Josef bugman
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I really do feel that we (as in society in general, not us in specific) have failed to hold people in power to higher standards than ourselves. We expect the poor to be far more savvy and smart than the rich, and more responsible with their time and energy. It seems unjust and I don't understand why we do it.

Josef bugman
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OwlFancier posted:

Cos that's liberalism, if you're in charge it must be because you're better than everyone else, you must have earned it, you must be there for a good reason, which means you are entitled to more stuff and more freedom, freedom from scrutiny and obligation being first among them.

The idea that people in power are worse than normal people because of the power they wield is entirely backwards from how liberal society and individualism works. There is no concept of public service with them, they are there to be served by others, the hierarchy is the just expression of the natural order.

I suppose this is one of the big differences between rhetoric and practice. But I do wish it was easier to hold folks to account.

Josef bugman
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I want to see the horses no clip through the hedges and Redrum just spin in place for 2 minutes before teleporting to the end of the course.

I want some fucker to speed run the Grand National.


forkboy84 posted:

There are proven ways to hold these people to account. They just aren't always legal in a liberal democracy.

I don't know why certain things don't get integrated. Well I do know but I wish it wasn't.

OwlFancier posted:

Ehh, some of the rhetoric runs counter to that but a lot of it doesn't. The overt rhetoric maybe does, sometimes, but the majority of the ideas you're exposed to in life? They reinforce it. You do not question your boss, your boss has final say regardless. The government cannot be changed other than when it consents to be, it has a right to be in charge. You cannot know things by yourself or by collective discussion, you must defer to the expert, who you were told is an expert by other people who say they're experts.

I too, however, wish it were otherwise.

The thing that bothers me is that people don't question why things are the way they are. They just go "well that is how it is" and go on with it. Can't we ask "well why are things the way that they are".

Josef bugman
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Azza Bamboo posted:

I don't do it, though.

Why? How much of any of our ideas are ours and not just the way society asks us to feel about things?

Josef bugman
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Azza Bamboo posted:

This is the kind of dispute patent law is made to resolve

Isn't patent law all about ensuring that things people "create" become used by a few uber rich companies who buy out anything that might change things and build it into something they want to see?

ronya posted:

Still, nobody really has any bright ideas here.

:raise:

Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Apr 6, 2020

Josef bugman
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Aramoro posted:

Not in principal. When I did our patent application with my company it was to give us the opportunity to get our product out there without a larger much more organised company being able to sweep and do the same thing with a higher marketing budget. In practice it lets large companies buy ideas.

Why is it that when Capitalist ideas don't work in practice it is a failure of that particular subset, but when Communist ideas don't work in practice it is because it never will?

Josef bugman
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Red Oktober posted:

It's used to provide an incentive for people to create something - if it'll take me 2 years to design and create something, and then another company just copies it straight away and I lose a massive share of the market it becomes much harder for me to justify spending two years of lost wages etc designing it.

Owning a patent on the product means that I can spend the time designing, knowing that if it's successful I will be given a limited period of exclusivity to sell the product.

But I assume that the incentive will mainly have vanished because most "new" inventions aren't actually done by a single person, but by a larger organisation.

Josef bugman
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Aramoro posted:

As part of a capitalist ideal it's isn't not working? You invent something and someone pays you for it.

Doesn't work how it is "supposed to" then, under the way capitalism is "supposed" to work.

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Josef bugman
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Red Oktober posted:

The organisation still needs to pay those workers, and therefore have them developing something which can be monetised. Take pharmas, where development can take years and years, so they want a period of exclusivity to make sure they can get a return.

But why? Surely simply curing the sick is good and the company itself shouldn't be generating profit?

I am of course speaking of how things should be as opposed to how they are.

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