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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

Given the state of the trial (and the state of hanging in the US at the time, which had not yet implemented drop tables), it could just be an admission of really not wanting to be hanged.

All the convicted Haymarket bombers who were hanged strangled on the rope. For a nation that loves killing people so much, Americans really are poo poo at it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Yeah, what the Labour Party really needs is some nationalism to go with the socialism.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Vitamin P posted:

Honest question, if people are saying "the Karen meme seems racially specific and is definitely misogynistic so please don't use it" what is the woke rationale for not respecting that?

I'm sure there are men who act like Karen. What would they be called? Because as long as we have a name for them too, it's not misogynistic to call Karen Karen.

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Dec 10, 2011

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crispix posted:

Why Kevin?

Surely Ciaran is closer, or is there an association with the name Kevin I don't know about :/

They don't have to be alike. The meme for the children of the wannabe-upper-middles is Quentin and Jocasta.

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serious gaylord posted:

The Venn diagram of Karens, Terfs, and obnoxious columnists is a circle.

No, it isn't, and I wish people would stop using the meme when talking about very small groups. I mean, you just said that there's only a couple of hundred TERFs maximum in the UK.

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Dec 10, 2011

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josh04 posted:

If a friend tells you a humourous story about child naming it is always, 100% of the time, an urban myth. There is something about child-name urban myths which makes people determined to represent them as something they personally saw absolute proof of, despite them always being absolute bollocks.

I have personally met Richard Head, so they're not all myths.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Payndz posted:

DId you study geography at Keele university in the late 80s, perchance?

No, so there's possibly more than one of them. I do, however, work in the same office as Charles Manson.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Then there are the 600000 people who volunteered to help the NHS most of whom haven't been 'called up'.

These volunteers include a company in Cumbria who produce COVID-19 test kits. They have had to furlough half their staff because the government declined their services. This isn't just mass murder on the part of the government, it's a cover up.

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Dec 10, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

One of the very best Discworld throwaway lines is about their version of the Sandman, who puts people to sleep with a sock full of sand.

The original line reads (roughly) "The Sandman sends children to sleep with his bag of magic sand. He doesn't take the sand out of the bag first."

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Dec 10, 2011

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learnincurve posted:

My fash dad was shocked to the core when I said the Guardian was a Lib Dem rag, , but he couldn’t deny it after 10 seconds of actual thought. I think a lot of them just haven’t really read it since the Blair years and didn’t realise that it hasn’t changed.

New Labour occupied roughly the same space as the Lib Dems do now. It didn't have to change.

What pisses me off about centrism - or at least self-declared centrism - is that it looks at everything bad in society and says "but we shouldn't try something else". It doesn't even work in their interests - the best thing that could ever happen for centrist parties is a left wing experiment trying and failing.

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ronya posted:

the PM is Actually Boris Johnson; in the current period it might not be too strange to suppose that some advisor has similarly rifled through Gove's bookshelves to put sufficiently right-wing books on it and remove any leftie stuff

Gove is the living incarnation of the "if you are not socialist at 20" trope, remember.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

RIP Dave Greenfield
Stranglers' keyboardist has died of Covid-19

I'll see you in the sewer, brother!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB3XGrWZQlM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqllpnyWrY

That loving sucks. I'm glad I saw them last year when they were supporting Alice Cooper, I doubt there will be another chance.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Payndz posted:

Reminds me of when I was living in Italy and I went into the village pizzaria to find that the front 3/4 of the interior was actually a WW2 'museum' filled with life-sized dioramas of Axis soldiers and displays of weapons and flags. (IIRC, the only Allied items on display were some hats.) And the till receipt had a picture of Mussolini on it. :stare:

Well, the Italians didn't get to keep much Allied memorabilia.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ash Crimson posted:

I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but my employer stated i can't get paid for another job whilst recieving furlough so wtf am i supposed to do to make up the money lost when it's decreased to 60%?

Don't worry, you won't be able to get another job anyway.

Worry even less, though, because the point isn't to save money. It's to force people to go back to work despite the risk.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ash Crimson posted:

My work isn't going to open anytime soon, definitely not by July.

You of all people should not be labouring under the delusion that the government cares about the plans of your employer.

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Dec 10, 2011

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sassassin posted:

That makes me less inclined to trust that scientist's judgement tbf.

I wouldn't trust any scientist who can't handle an equation with more than two variables.

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Dec 10, 2011

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I'm right behind sacking her for buying a Galaxy S20 Ultra. What a waste of money.

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Dec 10, 2011

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TACD posted:

Looks like an iPhone 11 Pro to me

*checks*

You're right, I thought the Ultra had three lenses but it actually has four - despite which it doesn't really have a better camera than the regular S20.

Buying the Apple is even more of a waste of money though, so the point stands.

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Dec 10, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

The app still has to be official, and ideally interface with health authorities to automatically arrange testing, otherwise it's just a poo poo Tinder to FIND HOT SINGLE VIRUSES NEAR YOU NOW.

Tinder is going to get traffic bombed once lockdown ends, isn't it? All those people with twice as much Netflix and no chill.

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Dec 10, 2011

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baka kaba posted:

lazy scroungers (workers with no work)
millennials ignoring the rules and not caring about ARE NHS
scientists
China

just pick the most convenient for a given moment!

they've already been at it with following the science > the science "changed", according to scientists > scientists want a lockdown > mr lockdown science man IGNORES own lockdown for STEAMY ROMP with BLONDE BOMBSHELL, just setting them up as the people who are making all this happen and whose guidance was clearly lacking when it all comes out that things were handled really badly

Some of the press are ahead of them on the spin this time, though. Crace at the Graun was just pointing out that South Korea has had a quarter as many cases as we've had deaths. If we're following the science, what are they following? The answer is: the science. Because science doesn't decide what the result will be any more than your TomTom decides where you're going to drive. Like your TomTom, it only tells you how to get to where you want to go. South Korea are following the science towards a minimised death toll; our government are not, because they have a different destination in mind.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ms Adequate posted:

Yeah VE day stuff goes far deeper than any party loyalty. I guarantee those towns sent a hell of a lot of young boys (and some girls) to fight the fash and not all of them came home, or came home whole.

Much as I hate how it's being turned into a nationalist nonsense celebration I can't get salty about the underlying thing of people being glad that we beat the Nazis until the rubble bounced. Could do with a bit more of that spirit these days itbt :v:

Our Nazis are celebrating beating their Nazis.

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Dec 10, 2011

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OwlFancier posted:

If you want to look at the last 70 years and say that world war 2 stopped fascism then you're welcome to do so but I do not think it's a position that is very supportable. Because I think a much more accurate position would be that the process involved in mobilizing to fight the nazis was instrumental in normalizing their attitudes in the victors of that war.

World War 2 didn't stop fascism. It stopped mobilised fascism. You can stop regular fringe fascism by guiding people to the left and showing them how bankrupt an ideology it is. But once fascism becomes the state and starts to move? I'm sorry, but there's no way to deal with that except armed confrontation. Ultimately, it's inevitable and the only way to minimise the harm caused is to pick the right time to begin exerting force. This is not done by saying there's no place for violence in opposing fascism; all that achieves is to delay the violence until it's either too late to avoid normalising those attitudes - bad - or too late to win - worse.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Coohoolin posted:

Fascism is the natural end result of capitalism

Like gently caress it is. Capitalists will work with fascists as long as there's profit in it, but you'll note that businesses are starting to get edgy about hard Brexit and that is a strictly fascist endeavour.

No; fascism is the natural end result of nationalism.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ash Crimson posted:

Are we going back to herd immunity again now?

We never left.

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The science changed.

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Prince John posted:

Huh, apparently I am a sweet summer child, only aware of the Q entity from Star Trek or Q from James Bond.


You're not aware of the Winged Serpent? You will be...

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Dec 10, 2011

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Blasmeister posted:

At least announcing nothing in a really stupid way Is better than implementing full steam ahead grease the wheels of the economy with the blood of the poor like the papers and Javid and co wanted. Small blessings

That's what they are doing, though? The only difference is that they've had to fall back on obfuscation instead of going on national loving TV and saying "why don't we just kill a bunch of folks?"

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Dec 10, 2011

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Lord Ludikrous posted:

What the gently caress does stay alert even mean? Stay alert for what?

Is COVID19 like The Flood or something where you have to stay alert lest you get overwhelmed by a swarm of infection forms?

For what it’s worth at my job they’ve said nothing has changed for now. Furloughed staff are still furloughed and those working from home will continue to do so. Traffic was dead coming in this morning but will see how that changes.

Here's the deal. The amount you stay at home can be quantified; the amount you stay alert cannot. So when someone obeys the government instruction to stay home and gets sick anyway, the instruction was not sufficient and there's evidence to that effect. But if someone follows the instruction to stay alert and gets sick anyway, then they didn't follow the instruction well enough and they can't prove that they did.

It's a blame transference exercise, nothing more.

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OwlFancier posted:

The government was very clear that you should avoid public transport.

Because of course the only reason anyone takes public transport is for fun, we can actually all just get the ministerial car instead.

It's certainly a "let them eat cake" moment. Except this time the nobles are also realising it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

What's this Starmer / Saville thing I keep seeing references to but no details? Obviously, I didn't get the memo.

Starmer was Director of Public Prosecutions in the year of the Savile thing coming to light. He didn't take over until later in the year, though.

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Spelled "gently caress, we got caught again". It's no wonder Tories are into child molesting and tax evasion, those are the only crimes they can commit and get away with it.

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ronya posted:

You can be 100% sure it'll be leaked to the CON team, if it's not the BBC then it'll be someone in the LAB shadow cabinet itself

The right wingers in the shadow cabinet aren't going to start briefing against the leader now he's one of their own.

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I'd like to know where this guy is living such that a mortgage costs £1300 a year, so I can live there. Especially if it's on a different planet, as it appears to be.

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Dec 10, 2011

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The Question IRL posted:

So, funny thing about that Marie Antionette quote. The French for “Let them eat cake” is “Qu'ils mangent du gâteau.”
But what she might have said was “Qu'ils mangent du brioche.”

Now Brioche is a type of sweet bread, and could be translated as cake. But it’s also something that is really cheap and easy to make and has been for quite some time. (As long as it doesn’t have chocolate in it, that’s what makes it more expensive.)

In which case, if she really did suggest that the starving people go for Brioche instead, it’s not quite a tone deaf suggestion as you might initially think. It’s not on the level of saying “if people can’t afford the bus, why not buy their own car.” As it has gone down in history as.

I suspect part of the reason for that is that she was
A) A female head of state
B) A female, non-French born head of state
C) Was executed
So there would be a tendency for historians to re-write her into an out of touch, simpleton to best legitimise themselves.

I've actually heard that what Marie Antoinette said was more in the spirit of "then why do they not eat brioche?" Not dismissive, just failing to understand that there was a problem.

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Dec 10, 2011

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bornbytheriver posted:

Why would you have some queen related art work behind you? Stupid cock.

You have a problem with the Sex Pistols?

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

All involved with Jimmy Savile too.

Although not enough, in the case of the police.

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Dec 10, 2011

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So the lovely timeline has given up, and we're now living in the one with Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn?

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Wolfsbane posted:

I do wonder if Starmer is a more "effective" opposition leader just because he's not a threat to the establishment, so they feel safe to criticise the Tories. I can't help feeling that if there was a Communist Socialist Trostkyite Cult Leader in charge of Labour we'd still be seeing zero criticism of the government.

You're over complicating it. Starmer is a more effective leader of the opposition in the eyes of the press because he offers no opposition at all. They think that the proper role of the opposition is to allow the pretence that we are not a dictatorship.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Vitamin P posted:

Tbf sometimes he wins by being an unironic king and spitting truths



I'm not surprised that he's coherent on the subject of "barely legal". The things that are always on your mind are the last to go.

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Dec 10, 2011

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sebzilla posted:

It's an impressively poo poo take.

How can anyone be so stupid and still draw breath without a reminder card taped in front of their eyes? If landlords go bankrupt the houses won't disappear in a puff of smoke. The banks will own them. And the banks will take over the rental agreement, because they're not going to pass up free money.

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