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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1256216324210032640?s=21

Interesting. Apparently Dubs was one of Starmer's biggest boosters, so this wasn't because he was too left for his own good.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

If members of the public do not perform the tests properly I am sure you can not possibly hold the government to account, and if it artificially drives down the reported infection rate that can not at all be considered a benefit to them.

All tests are sent to the same labs. The tricky bit is that they're counting home orders of tests out for delivery as tests carried out, regardless of whether they've even arrived, let alone been used and sent back to a lab, when previously it was daily lab results.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pesky Splinter posted:

B-but Boris Johnson said we were just past the peak now! If we can't believe Boris Johnson, who can we believe?

By all indications, we are past the peak. It's just that our downward slope is very shallow, and our peak was very high, so we're going to be seeing hundreds of deaths a day for a very long time.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
If the off-licence in town has closed for the duration, where's the best place to order some more unusual beers? I can get Delirium Tremens (the beer, not the beer consequence) off Amazon, but I'm on the lookout for better options than Jeff Bezos to keep my Belgian tripel stockpile up.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1256710774719946754?s=21

Second in the world (and first in Europe) at this stage of the epidemic. :britain:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

Please tell me nobody actually named their daughter Jocasta.

Better than Electra, at least. :gonk:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Ms Adequate posted:

I named my night elf arched in WoW Jocasta :v:

I'm curious to find out what's wrong with names like Tarquin and Jocasta though. The associations we have attached to them because of class stereotypes is one thing, but some folks seem to get a bit visceral about perfectly cromulent names.

Jocasta is basically saying 'I hope my daughter never has kids'.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I love the implication that Thompson apparently had -5 hours of sleep per day. Not 5 hours, -5.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Barry Foster posted:

I know, what a wanker

I wish I had the balls to just throw my hands up in the air and go full Hunter S. Thompson

also the money, to be fair, that's a lot of cocaine


think you read it wrong? If he goes to bed at 8:20 AM and gets up at 3 PM that's six hours 40 minutes sleep

which isn't a lot, but to be fair, that's a lot of cocaine

Ah, PM, not AM.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Another fun one we haven't talked about on that shelf is The Irony of Virtue, by Ernest Lefever.

quote:

President Ronald Reagan nominated Lefever for a post as Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs in the Department of State. The 1981 nomination was cited by The Washington Post as an effort to appeal to "ultraconservatives" upset that Secretary of State Alexander Haig hadn't appointed conservative "hardliners" to his policy team. Lefever testified to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that the U.S. should not act to "promote human rights in other sovereign states". Critics drew attention to his involvement with the Ethics and Public Policy Center and criticized remarks that contrasted regimes that supported the United States which he deemed "authoritarian" that should be the targets of "quiet diplomacy" – stating that "[o]ur friends deserve quiet support and public encouragement in their quest for a more humane society" and that we should be "a steadfast ally" without "moral posturing" – while those that opposed the U.S. were deemed "totalitarian" and could not be the targets of change achieved through diplomatic means.

Opposition to the nomination at Senate hearings came from Jacobo Timerman, a journalist from Argentina who had been tortured by that country's military government. Time magazine described Timerman as "a silent but nonetheless potent presence" at the hearings. Two of Lefever's brothers opposed the nomination, with Donald Lefever testifying that his brother was not up to the job, and the allegation made by the brothers that Ernest Lefever had supported William Shockley's views that "blacks were genetically inferior". Lefever withdrew his name in June 1981 in a letter to President Reagan rejecting what he called "suspicion and character assassination", after the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 13–4 to reject his nomination, with five Republican Senators joining all eight Democrats in rejecting the nomination. The post was ultimately filled by Elliott Abrams.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1257391766036271115?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

There's also this, far more niche piece of holocaust revisionism.

https://twitter.com/StephenBottrill/status/1257432553654542340?s=19

This is not entirely fair, given that TFOF was written in the Sixties, and was the source of the 'negative myth' (the idea that fascism was more defined by what it opposed than what it stood for) that Nolte railed against in the Eighties when he became a far-right Holocaust denier. This is not to say it was a great book - it was a quasi-mystical mess that basically saw Hitler as an evil sorcerer - but it was a key work in the early Marxist discourse about fascism.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1257594955922628614?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1257686520594644995?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/meadwaj/status/1257935815860256768?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

The Deleter posted:

There won't be any riots in a country where so many people are addicted to the taste of boot polish.

Everyone says that about their country until the riots start happening. They're unpredictable, but that's not the same as being impossible.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

:wow: that collapse between 2018 & 2019

What caused that i wonder?

Worth remembering that it was the Tories who mostly profited from it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

communism bitch posted:

lol we're gonna have 40,000 dead before the end of summer aint we

We're already well past there, chief.

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1258041783222747137?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

happyhippy posted:

Probably already said, but definitely Brexit.
Year before it was 'Brexit so easy', then you had David Davis saying the UK had all the power in the negotiations, only for him to quit mid way.
June 2018 was when even some of the Gammons were realizing how they were lied into it.

Again, though, it was the Tories who were the prime beneficiaries of the collapse in support of the press.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1258093730730516482?s=21

Brr.

Also, bleak lol:

https://twitter.com/hancocktom/status/1257881201794113538?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/paullewis/status/1258362216245583872?s=21

This will be worth a read.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

franco posted:

My parents are both elderly and my Dad is especially at risk because of various health issues. I'd had a hell of a time explaining the seriousness and getting them to stay home when this really got into gear. They were being pretty well-behaved.

Now my Mum (who has, as much as I love her, always been a bit "bootstraps!" about things and thinks she's invincible) is tipping over into the "this is getting silly now! We should just go back to being normal! If you get it, you get it!" camp.

I despair.

You could always just go 'sorry, I'd love to go, but I've got some health issues that make it a really bad idea'. It gets you out of there, and might make them sit up and think about what they're doing.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1259045346564587522?s=21

This is a good article on what's going on inside the government - long story short, we're seeing a Tory faction war where the last week of briefings were a sustained attack on Number Ten policy by the party far right.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jedit posted:

The science changed.

Science tends to change rapidly when you actually come down with the disease you've been shrugging off. Notice how many of the Tory 'doves' caught the bug.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1259416292785823744?s=21

lol

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/1259416232987627521?s=21

Faction war stepping up a gear.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

peanut- posted:

I know Tories are congenitally incapable of not having a faction war, but it seems a bit weird. They put him in charge and he won them a massive landslide less than 6 months ago, it can't be coming as a shock to the cabinet now that they exist to rubber stamp whatever Boris wants to do.

They're ideologues, chief, and the necessary measures to keep COVID-19 from killing millions are anathema to their ideology. To them, Johnson going for a government lockdown is like how we'd feel about Starmer getting into office and privatising the NHS.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

sassassin posted:

Some people are putting a lot of effort into reframing Boris and his pals in the top positions as the friendly Tories looking out for us, with some unnamed venomous snakes trying desperately to take him down every Saturday morning on CITV.

The "changed man" narrative has spun off into this new thing where every decision is now being contextualised as for/against/influenced by supposed men behind a curtain.

Johnson not wanting to lift lockdown doesn't mean he's suddenly a good person - he lacks the intellectual or ideological capacity to make that lockdown long-term sustainable, for one thing. Besides, we know who the venomous snakes are, because they're putting their names on Telegraph opinion columns. It's Gove, Javid, Duncan Smith, and Sunak.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Ash Crimson posted:

I just wish Nicola Sturgeon would come out and call boris a piece of poo poo, officially, but she must be doing something right if she's getting stuff like this:



I mean, this is a pretty remarkable statement:

https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1259391575261696000?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/shirleymush/status/1259530459987533825?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1259557030336987136?s=21

Zarah Sultana seems to be trying very hard to be the British AOC, and to be honest, she's doing a pretty decent job of it. One to watch.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/archimbaldo/status/1259542740691496962?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/skyandyhughes/status/1259601576575959040?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1259759895781523456?s=21

lol

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Jose posted:

Over 40k deaths officially but it's time to ease lockdown

50K, actually.

https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1260147443976593408?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
It does look from the Financial Times data like Russia and Brazil are rapidly overtaking us in official COVID-19 deaths despite an even worse testing regimen, so we're probably not second in the world any more. We are almost certainly the worst in Europe, although Italy has been slow to release its excess death figures, and they look like they might be really bad.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1260177261875146752?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

stev posted:

Is this a 'reject the evidence of your eyes and ears' situation? I'm pretty sure he specifically said 'addicted'.

Good news either way.

'A senior government source briefed the Times' that people were 'addicted' to the scheme. My bet is Gove.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1260233393838620675?s=21

We handled this worse than Spain by all metrics, but Italy is still a mystery because their excess death data is now extremely out of date.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

So on one hand that ex-Guido turd Wickham is out of a job so that's funny but on the other Buzzfeed News did a significantly better job of journalism than any paper in recent times. Shame that. Though I still miss when Jamie Ross was there, digging up some of the weirder stories in UK politics. And the total nonsense like making Corbyn try Irn Bru on a visit to Scotland.

Wickham was one of the best sources for overviews of internal Tory party politics, which was kind of important since they run the country and all. Not sure anyone else does that job any more - it's just one faction or another advancing their agenda without letting on what's driving it.

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