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Endorph posted:'this race of sentient beings is inherently evil' is both boring writing and also is super easy to slip into racism Unless it's a metaphor for white people. Which this well could be.
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Ethiser posted:The second test didn't seem like something that would have been too difficult to pass without Frieren and Fern there. Most of the teams made it to the very end of the dungeon and only got held up by Frieren's doppelganger. That would be true if Sense hadn't also entered the dungeon, ensuring there was a major threat above most of their capabilities.
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Jul 7, 2021 14:22
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It'll be a little awkward if Frieren goes back to the future pregnant.
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Nov 15, 2023 03:15
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The birds did it. I can't imagine any of the remaining characters taking the trouble to throw a body in a tree.
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Nov 17, 2023 04:50
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I don't know. The introduction of Ubel the human mage, whose name means evil and likes killing people, being immediately preceded by Frieren talking about being defeated by human mages couldn't possibly be foreshadowing.
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Donkringel posted:I like how much they changed Heiter. Hell they didn't even make him look corrupt anymore! That would all be undermined by the future vision/time travel and his ensuring the prosperity of demons 1000 years in the future.
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Dec 27, 2023 18:08
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Donkringel posted:Where did we get that piece of information again? Was it the latest arc or somewhere earlier? It first came up in Macht's flashback, then again in the most recent arc when the demons are speaking to one another prior to the battle.
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Dec 27, 2023 19:34
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Himmel - confidence = Stark And speaking of rereads, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that Kraft's partner was Ewig the sage. The series is very good about setup and payoff, so far Ewig is the only name that could possibly fit him. Makes it interesting that his name means eternal, is the only human sage and had magic that could control demons.
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Jan 31, 2024 03:07
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golden bubble posted:Even in the original Japanese, he's named Radar instead of Funkmessgerät or Funkmessortungsgerät. Part of the origin of radar is German physicist Henreich Hertz's work with electromagnetism. So, German by proxy. Darth TNT posted:It wouldn’t surprise me if no one told the old man the mission ended years ago. At the same time Serie is actively throttling humanity's magical progress, so I can see it being part of the explicitly human empire's ethos that elves, particularly ones sticking their noses into magic, have got to go. Complete left field option is that the one giving out the order is Grausam. LostRook fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Feb 7, 2024 08:44
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Lt. Lizard posted:Um, is she? I never got even a hint of that. If anything, it's the opposite, considering the time she has been active and leading humanity's biggest magical organization is also the period of massive advancements in human magic, between Soul Track/Offensive Magic, Defensive Magic and Flight. She probably focuses on combat magic at the expense of the more practical, everyday spells that Frieren prefers, but that's hardly "throttling humanity's magical progress". The test arc begins with it repeatedly being stated that there are fewer mages than during the time of the war against the demon king. It's not explicit but the part with Flamme's will that everyone learn magic, which Serie immediately tears up because she wants magic to be for the specials only is a clear throughline with the ideology the first class mages espouse and Serie coming to power 50 years prior.
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Feb 7, 2024 09:37
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Last Celebration posted:Yeah that was my read, plus as much people passing as they did with Freiren’s exam was an anomaly so there’s probably just not a lot of people who even survive to the last phase usually. Which goes back to Serie, the one responsible for the exams and their methodology, actively suppressing magic. The war with the demons lasted over 1000 years. The biggest change for mages in the last 50 years is the appearance of Serie. There is no reason that mages have to be warlike, excepting that the organization overseeing magic demands that they are, and holds the privilege up as a lure.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:09
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Lt. Lizard posted:That's the direct result of Himmel and co. defeating Demon King and establishing the "era of peace" and has nothing to do with Serie. Less people are learning combat magic and becoming "proper" mages, because there is less need to protect yourself from being eaten by demons. And the "proper" mages have less experience and less power, because they are thrust into deadly battles against demons and monsters less often.That is pretty explicitly a good thing that Frieien is happy about, because instead of learning combat spells, going out into the world and getting killed by someone like Macht or Aura, people stay at home, become a farmer and develop a spell to conserve peaches for a really long time in their spare time. The era of peace that has sequestered the entire north of the continent due to demons, caused Fern's entire town to be destroyed by war in the south, Stark's village was annihilated, Wirbel slaughtering child solders, Aura rampaging for 28 years and etcetera. There's plenty of text supporting Serie suppressing magic, I can't recall anything to suggest that Frieren is happy about there being less mages because they've all gone peaceful.
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Feb 7, 2024 10:33
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Lt. Lizard posted:Humanity lost two thirds of its territory during the war against demons. The entire pre-"Demon King defeat" part of Macht's flashback was just him slaughtering one town after another with impunity. Compared to that, the current era is an era of peace. It's constant progress, but it's not massive progress. And in both cases Frieren was somewhere between directly involved to directly responsible. Hell, Solitar went so far to note that Zoltraak had the fatal weakness of being too simple and easy to recreate for humans. The point of Quall wasn't that humanity made a revolution in magical progress, but that 80 years is a long time for humans. Just because magic is progressing doesn't mean that it isn't being suppressed, there's a major difference between Flamme's ideal of a world where everyone wields magic and Serie's where it is held in the hands of the elite, and naturally the later is going to progress considerably slower than the former. It's not no progress, it's less progress than their ought to be and a reduction in the amount of mages. It's the sort of thing that will only get worse as time goes on.
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Feb 7, 2024 12:25
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Vizuyos posted:Serie's test wasn't stopping people from being mages. It was stopping people from being specifically first-class mages: a special designation of excellent mages who can handle serious danger. The entire reason everyone except Frieren, Fern and Denken, 54 out of 57 people, were taking the test was due to the privilege. Serie isn't gatekeeping magic, she's luring people into a thresher. And Serie herself says that were she not to have intervened pretty much everyone would have died in the typical 3rd exam. She's probably correct, and the only reason it didn't happen was so she could keep Frieren out of her club. Lt. Lizard posted:Honestly, I don't think I remember if we have ever seen a mage who didn't use magic for combat, to the point where I think that in Frieren's world a "mage" is specifically a title for someone who fights using magic. If that's the case, then someone developing and using magic exclusively for non-combat purposes wouldn't be even called a mage, but like...a scholar, or a sage, or a herbalist or something like that. Or heck, maybe things have gone so far that someone who develops magic to help with farming and not to fight demons is not even considered worthy of special mention or title and is just a "farmer". That's what Flamme wanted but we've never seen a farmer use magic.
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Feb 7, 2024 21:44
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We've never seen anyone actually cast any of that stuff though, which seems to indicate that it takes training to do something as simple as learn to turn red apples green. Humanity has been developing magic for the last 1080 years, obviously there's going to be stuff like that spread all over the place. Serie is throttling magic and mages; she's not erasing them. It's a problem that will get worse with time.
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Feb 7, 2024 22:08
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Even having a chance to retreat was largely a result of luck. Wirbel and Ubel both had spells that would've prevented people from using the bottle. Sense was largely immune to mana detection and only didn't kill Lawine, Richter and Edel due to luck as far as we know. A few small changes and almost everyone in the test would've died.
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Tosk posted:I tried to google around a bit and check the Frieren wiki to figure this out, but I haven't reread in some time and I'm a little lost geographically. Have we heard anything about this empire previously in the story? I remember the barrier during the Macht arc. It seems like it might be the remnant of the empire that used to span the continent and was destroyed by demons or something? The idea that Frieren might be inconvenient to the existing power structure because she's a living and breathing hero straight from legend is pretty interesting. I wouldn't mind if we never get any exposition on why this substory happened because it would be a neat little mystery but at the same time I hope we do. There's only one Empire as far as we know. It's the one Denken is a big deal in. You can see its original border in chapter 53 during the flashback and an updated border recently though I can't remember exactly which chapter. The story has implied it's the same one from Flamme's time several times and basically confirmed it in chapter 121. EDIT: You can get a look at the Empire's current border in chapter 105, though it's a bit too zoomed in to see everything. The "mysterious threat" in the Empire being introduced immediately after Grausam, makes it definitely seem like he's a strong candidate for the cause, in the same fashion that we've had multiple instances of someone mentioning a human killing Frieren immediately cut to Ubel doing absurd stuff. LostRook fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Feb 21, 2024 |
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It was a closed-loop paradox via in-body travel. I don't expect it be expanded in any fashion beyond that. If anything, it implies that the Goddess had even better future sight than Southern Hero and Schlatt, having set it up 1500 years prior. I very much expect Solitar to have more flashbacks being a confidant of the Demon King and the fact that she effectively said she'd spread around Frieren's mana secret to be a major plot point.
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Interestingly, today's episode had a fair bit of anime only material. Besides the requisite action scenes, we also had the entire mural portion, which actually has some major lore implications. It definitely seems to portray the Goddess coming down to grant magic to the king. We know that the Goddess descended 1500 years ago, so that tells us when the Unified era began and likely when the empire was started.
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Everything coming up LostRook theory-wise.RatHat posted:Maybe it’s just me but it feels like Land won’t survive this arc I think Serie is the most in danger. tbp posted:yeah. there's also additional bits like when they fought grisaum. frieren is 100% unequivocally unable to fight back against him because of her constant mana usage and awareness, himmel is able to fight while literally mentally in another realm because his physical senses are heightened to the extreme Which makes Grausam showing up here a strong possibility. He represents the greatest threat to the unparalleled mage. What information could he have gleaned from Frieren's mind that actually matters? The existence of Serie the head of the Continental Magic Association seems like a possibility. Based on characters we've seen thus far my guess for most likely to be Grausam in disguise is Falsch, the first-class mage with glasses, for no reason other than having a name meaning false though I admit it's rather flimsy.
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Swilo posted:It's not what happened (which was cool and funny) but how and when it is told. The chapter doesn't even open with the usual "X years after the Hero's passing" until the middle when it changes to the main crew. It feels very out of place and like it should have been a bonus chapter or a flashback, I thought I had skipped a chapter somehow because it was so abrupt. It's even explained to the audience who those missing characters are as if we don't already know. When Ubel first appeared, she got her own narration box which is not something I can recall seeing at any other point. She breaks the conventions of the manga in a lot of ways.
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Doodles posted:A common refrain I'm hearing from anime only discussions is that "Serie's right! She's just making sure dangerous magic is kept out of the wrong hands!" Wirbel <walks in> Serie: Magic? Wirbel: Murder Serie: gently caress yeah <finger guns>
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MonsterEnvy posted:Grausam has magic that can easily fool Frieren. So I think he could have faked his death easily if he had future knowledge. Particularly given that the Frieren that may have fought Grausam would not have fought him before and therefore rather lacking in information.
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Lt. Lizard posted:I am pretty skeptical about Falsch being either Grausam or some other demon, because that would mean that he was capable of maintaining his illusion(s) without being detected for years, possibly decades, right under the nose of dozens of some of the most powerful human mages and Serie, which strikes me as pretty implausible. And Frieren too, come to think of it, considering he was in the same place as her at least once or twice and she didn't notice anything odd about him. And if he was indeed powerful enough to have Serie and however many other mages under permanent illusion without anyone being aware about it, there is absolutely no reason why he would need an imperial plot to assassinate her. That being said, it's entirely possible that he is a well-placed imperial spy, just like Lineal is one for magic association. His illusions are explicitly stated to work better against mages and particularly powerful mages. We know he has future knowledge, and of what has been revealed within the narrative only the existence of the CMA and Serie qualifies as being of interest. With his power set and the narrative we've had so far, Grausam hiding in plain sight seems like a deliberate setup, but I agree that just an assassination seems like a not enough. It's entirely possible the assassination is a feint, or the specific goal is to start a war by killing Serie. With Schlacht's plan in play it could be a butterfly wing to tornado thing, so who knows.
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TwoPair posted:As is Stark. And Frieren herself too... maybe? Possibly? I mean we find her in a village with all the other elves dead so I'm assuming she had parents there, but maybe I'm assuming too much. Flamme, Frieren and Stark were definitively orphaned by demons which though which is contrary to the point about human wars.
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Vizuyos posted:Demons are human-eating monsters. It's fundamentally weird for them to try to understand and empathize with humans beyond what's necessary to kill them. The shogun and the sword demon definitely ate people. The series as a whole tries to gloss over gore, so I don't expect to ever see it. "Because I was hungry" is never the reason, we've been told multiple times that demons don't need to eat humans to live. However, the Shogun arc showed that demons can absorb mana from the people they eat, with the baby demon referring to the first class mages as a "mana feast." Eating people is just a shortcut to more mana, which for a species that feels nothing for killing humans is hard to pass up.
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That's a surprising origin out of nowhere. So Frieren was part of the CIA...
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Fluffdaddy posted:the imperial mage captain phrase? has to be an elf, right? Looks to be the one who ostensibly killed Land's Grandma.
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