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Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Here's some guys who suck:

https://twitter.com/BackAftaThis/status/1278152944999788544

Also, continuing the stuff from the last thread, the best TE games of the last decade: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2020/quick-reads-decade-review-te-games

Which starts off: Kelce, Gates, Gronk, Gronk, Vernon, Gronk, Gates for the top 7 games.

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Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



a neat cape posted:

Antonio Gates ruled

Yeah, they also do a full decade list, which is just so many words about Gronk: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2020/quick-reads-decade-review-te-totals

But Gates is 5th, despite the 2010's starting in year 8 of his career, and with this note:

Gronkowski's 461 DYAR in 2011 was the best in this or any other decade. The second-best mark of the 2010s was Antonio Gates' 361 in 2010.

Grittybeard posted:

I can't forget his last season when he was completely done and moved like a backhoe or something and Bob Sutton still couldn't figure out how to cover him.

Yeah, it's funny just how slow Gates and Witten were in their last years... but still catching stuff, just doing these old man shuffles to pick up 8 yards then going down immediately as someone 12 years younger then them comes screaming at them.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Oh yeah, obviously no Hard Knocks this year.

How will I get by without the inspiring story of some dumb white rookie who has zero chance of making the team??

Thinking about the world where it was the Patriots last year and it 100% would've been Chase Winovich.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



For the June thread people, have 4 minutes of slow rear end QB running plays: (okay, they aren't all slow as hell QB's, but they sure are all white).

There's the most Tony Romo rear end play in there, like just wow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-WxE_LZTOg&t=28s

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The Peyton fake where he ran for a touchdown untouched was legendary.

The one against the Raiders where there's no one within 20 yards of him and he still gets caught at like the 3 is also hilarious.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

It's funny, I remember Elway being like a zillion years old - and looking it - when he did that helicopter dive, but in reality he was only 37.

Before the powers of the TB-12 method, that was super old for a QB.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



The Texans top end talent was real scary for awhile. Health/BoB hosed that all up, but Watson / Hopkins / Watt / Clowney is pretty high up there on a list of 4 best players on a team.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



It was a clear black night, a clear white moon
RG3 was on the field, trying to consume

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



https://twitter.com/PFF_Moo/status/1279052776882999296

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



I'm pretty okay with the Washington Generals, a team name famous for being clowned on and only ever winning by accident.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Dumbass Pats kicker got his 3 percenter tattoo lasered off.

Should've done with Steve-o did: (3 minutes in for the bad one)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdqUZIwHhG4

Kalli fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 5, 2020

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



They should digitally edit out all the chief wahoos from Major league like the guns from ET or smoking from a bunch of scenes for tv cuts of movies.

Or don't, but it'd be funny.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



A big big man needs a big big contract

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1280213581628411905

Eat poo poo Dallas, have fun with the new market.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



shirts and skins posted:

loving hell! What on Earth will the guarantees look like on that?

You can only spread signing bonuses over the first 5 years of a deal, and I believe there's restrictions after that, but you *could* probably do vesting roster bonuses after that.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Grittybeard posted:

Gotta wait on the details but...well probably :rip: Chris Jones as a Chief. Also what are we guessing for his yearly average before it gets reported?

Wilson is currently at $35m per, so you have to expect this to be well north of that to start and going up as well unless Mahomes is the dumbest person on the planet.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



The Jaguars drafted Leonard Fournette over Mahomes and Watson.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Grittybeard posted:

I haven't verified this but I heard someone on the radio saying you can only spread signing bonuses out for 5 years or something like that.

Yes, prorated bonuses can only be spread out over 5 years.

I *believe* you could put in vesting roster bonuses that kick in down the line to have easily obtainable guaranteed money in those later years, but I don't think there's much reason to. If Mahomes is smart, those later years do have non-vesting roster bonuses set on the first day of the league year to force them to lock in early though, but that's a different thing.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Something something Chiefs - Colts playoff game

https://aws.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200401110kan.htm

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Grittybeard posted:

Maybe I'll be wrong but at least in the immediate future I don't see people hating on Mahomes like they did ARod. I mean I'm sure there will be some, and I know I'm going to hear a lot of laughing about the Chiefs not being able to put a team around him together. But I feel like most will just be 'well poo poo, but if anyone it might as well be him.'

Eh, win a few more playoff games and everyone will hate and be sick of him. It's pretty great to be honest, highly recommend it.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Intruder posted:

No one could possibly be mad about watching more Mahomes

People got incredibly mad about watching the 2007 Patriots offense all the time. Some people just get really broke brained / jealous about watching offensive pornography.

Like think about some of the stuff people say about JJ Watt's milky rear end.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Grittybeard posted:

Oh sorry, I meant Alex Rodriguez. There was immediate backlash for the guy who was at the time arguably the best player in baseball when he signed his big contract with the Texans.

Which looks kind of quaint these days but didn't back then.

That was with the Yankees right? If so , that was at least in the zeitgeist of when the Yankees were just buying all the best players so everyone hated them for that.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Silly Burrito posted:

Well he's not getting it all at once, but you already said it. Various assets, stocks, and bitcoin.

I mean the obvious answer is diamonds.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



He's gonna be Ghislane Maxwell's number on his phone rich.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Universally beloved means never won poo poo. Be hated because you win. Don't be Barry Sanders or Joe Thomas

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Mystic Stylez posted:

I don't think anyone in their right mind would hate Barry Sanders even if he won 15 Lombardis

Change the situation a little bit and he'd be sure hated by at least a chunk of fans. He's cute and cuddly because he's wearing that Lions blue. Let's say it's '97, he forces his way out of Detroit quietly, he ends up on the 49ers, and rides Steve Young to a Superbowl over the Broncos. They have a rematch in the Superbowl the next year and he makes some innocuous comment about loving to play the game before the superbowl that the Denver media explodes as a rip on Terrell Davis's migraines. Barry runs all over the Broncos sad D again sending Elway into retirement as a quintuple loser, and Barry Sanders is mega-hitler in Denver now.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Grittybeard posted:

My god I didn't think someone could come up with a scenario that would make me love Barry more than I already do.

I was going to write him going to the Vikings in '98 and turning Randall Cunningham into John Elway, but that just made me sad.

But hey, you want evil? TD retires due to Migraines early and the Broncos trade for Barry, boom done.

Now Barry Sanders is the guy who made Elway into Elway.

Kalli fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 7, 2020

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



President of the NFLPA:

JC Tretter posted:


Our normal return date for training camp is quickly approaching and we are still far from back to “normal.” Our main concern is player safety, both in regard to preventing the virus’ transmission as well as preventing injuries after an extended and historically unique layoff.

Like many other industries, football’s resistance to change is based on the belief that the best way to run things is the way we’ve always run things. That pervasive thought process will stop this season in its tracks.

Since March, we have had hours of return to work meetings, reviewed research and developed detailed protocols -- all of which will be wasted if the NFL refuses to think and act differently when it comes to getting through a full season. Players don’t just want to return to work; we want to stay at work.

We did our due diligence and reviewed the impact of returning to play football after an unusually long period away. For example, following the extended break after the 2011 lockout, injuries increased by 25%. Achilles injuries more than doubled and hamstring strains went up 44%.

As a preventative measure during the COVID-19 pandemic, the NFLPA and NFL formed a Joint Committee of doctors, trainers and strength coaches to develop protocols designed to bring players up to full speed in a healthy way when they return. The NFL initially accepted and implemented the Joint Committee’s suggestions, including items like no joint practices and no fans at training camp. However, the NFL was unwilling to follow the Joint Committee's recommendation of a 48-day training camp schedule. Despite these experts’ assessment that teams face a serious risk of player-injury spikes this year (based on past NFL data and recent findings from sports leagues that have already returned to play this year), the NFL is unwilling to prioritize player safety and believes that the virus will bend to football.

Tied to these safe, return-to-work recommendations, there is a similar disagreement in regard to the number of preseason games. The NFL has recently stated it wants to play two preseason games. When we asked for a medical reason to play games that don’t count in the standings during an ongoing pandemic, the NFL failed to provide one. The league did provide a football reason, though -- to evaluate rosters. The NFL also stated that it was important to stage preseason games to check how our game protocols will work.

With no medical reason provided for holding any preseason games and the desire to follow the Joint Committee’s recommendations, the NFLPA Board of Player Representatives unanimously voted against any preseason games this season.

Every decision this year that prioritizes normalcy over innovation, custom over science or even football over health, significantly reduces our chances of completing the full season.

We don’t want to merely return to work and have the season shut down before we even get started. The NFLPA will do its part to advocate for player safety. We will continue to hold the NFL accountable and demand that the league use data, science and the recommendations of its own medical experts to make decisions. It has been clear for months that we need to find a way to fit football inside the world of coronavirus. Making decisions outside that lens is both dangerous and irresponsible.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



fsif posted:

What is the charitable explanation for Jackson here? Like he went onto clarify "hey, I don't hate anyone! I only meant this one part!" and he pointed towards the excerpt that talked about the Jewish world domination plot.

The closest I've got is that a lot of black liberation stuff ends up with anti-semetic elements due to a combination of factors from decades of everything from trolls, to absorbing the same media as the rest of america, to government psyops, to religious groups and influences. Same thing with the leadership of the Not loving Around Coalition that was demonstrating against white supremacy at Stone Mountain this weekend.

So his best case scenario is he fell into a extremist hole and hopefully learns how to dig up.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



fartknocker posted:

Riley Cooper probably supported the quote.

Was Richie Incognito also a racist or just a huge loving rear end in a top hat? I can’t remember all his poo poo.

Yeah, he kept degrading and physically assaulted an asian trainer and his texts were... uh, racist, misogynist, homophobic, pretty much everything except he loves dogs.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



So i went on a little walk to try and track down where this quote came from and the likely culprit is associated to the Church of the Living God, the Pillar Ground of Truth for All Nations. Look 'em up for a fun ride into the history of the Black Hebrew Israelites

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Catfish Noodlin posted:

I think they both realize that they're probably not going to successfully run a season and they want to position themselves for cancellation. The NFLPA wants to do everything possible to get to week 1, and trigger game checks and be able to make the argument that players getting on the field for one game represents an accrued year on their contracts, and the NFL wants to be able to kill everything before that if possible.

That makes a lot of sense on the part of the owners come to think of it.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



I really wish Tebow had had like a .... 5 year run of being an aggressively terrible QB that kept winning 9-10 games every years, so stuck around. That would've ruled.

Just constant 25 yard scrambles to make the score 16-13 late in the 4th quarter of games.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



The quotes are from Black Hebrew Israelite stuff, not sure how many layers of irony poison nonsense ends up with it being attributed to Hitler, but there you go. It's also a super fragmented belief system, with tons of different tiny churches and sects, but my guess is it originally came from the Church of the Living God, the Pillar Ground of Truth for All Nations because they've got a presence in Philadelphia and they have the coolest name.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Penisaurus Sex posted:

man imagine seeing a screenshot of that tweet in like 2015.

2015 Me: After a year with Dan Snyder? yeah, I get it...

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Grittybeard posted:

Wouldn't surprise me, also wouldn't surprise me if they're one and done as far as championships.

The Pats have kinda got some people into this mindset that dynasties are easy with a great coach and great superhuman QB when, man there's so much poo poo that can go wrong and ruin any particular season.

Obviously I don't want this to happen, but I am prepared for the possibility.

Right. Winning a superbowl is about health, luck, and having enough talent in the right places at the right prices to win.

And the more you win, the more wear and tear are on your best players who are playing 3-4 games more a season then others, the more they're getting paid way more then you can pay them in free agency, and, oh yeah, all your coaches and front office people are being picked off to run other teams. The front office thing is typically the hardest to deal with, because drafting is very cyclical, and your best windows to win is ~2-5 years after you had a run of excellent drafting. Let alone that almost any position outside of QB has a shelf life shorter then a video game console generation.

Hell, look at the 2012 seahawks, which had, 3 likely hall of famers on that defense and a great young QB, and won... 1 Superbowl

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Back in 2010 would anyone have thought that Rodgers wouldn’t win another Super Bowl? What about Brees?

Right, yeah, Rodgers is a great example

2011: Goes 15-1, at the height of his power, defense is mediocre, gets their doors blown off by the Giants in the playoffs.
2012: Fixes the defense, goes 11-5, has absolutely no answers for Kaepernick in the playoffs
2013: Rodgers misses half the season, lost season.
2014: Rodgers is back! runs into finely tuned Seahawks buzzsaw in the playoffs.
2015: Roster is starting to fade, Rodgers still Rodgers, go only 10-6 and lose to.. the Cardinals? You lost to the 2015 Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs?
2016: Retool the offense, but run into the Falcons buzzsaw in the NFCC.

Then the roster falls apart until last year, and now Rodgers is gonna be 37. Could've won the Superbowl 3? 4? 5? times in the last decade, but just couldn't put the right healthy roster together or ran into a hotter team.

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



drat

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Hank Hill would be so mad

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



A.o.D. posted:

Hank Hill wasn't evil.

He'd be super mad at people denying him football because they refused to wear masks like jackasses.

He'd also be super upset as the Cougars would be completely unable to play football while wearing masks. Bobby all passing out trying to run 10 yards, Joseph having his mask fly up and block his vision throwing a pass. Just a complete embarrassment.

He'd also still be voting straight ticket Republican.

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Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



CyberPingu posted:

They tried this in the Premier League and limited interaction to touching elbows. It's especially dumb in the NFL where you have linemen lined up inches from each other then slamming into each other for 3 hours.

The NFL where players literally jam their hands up the asses of other players in the pile to try and dislodge the football will prevent them from shaking hands after the game.

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