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Black August
Sep 28, 2003

I regret all Dragonlance I read. Every word.

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Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Nigmaetcetera posted:

I want to know the op’s thoughts on gully dwarves.

why did you remind me those loving EXIST

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

they’re so loving twee it’s insufferable

just raw cloying fantasy vomit, perverted and self-indulgent about it in the way only truly smug and self-satisfied ivory tower roleplayer nerds love to be with their dessicated idea of fantasy

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Tasslehoff can go tassle off a cliff

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Zeniel posted:

What's a gully dwarf?

Race of literally-retarded dwarves that everyone hates and treats like garbage

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Soth is a fuckin’ loser and so is the D&D concept of Paladins

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

yeah Valko most RP material was made by losers with insane sexual hangups and creepy fetishes and an obsession with ‘unclean’ races and genetic fuckups

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Internetjack posted:

Yeah, not seeing many problems with this sexiness.

yeah no problem with unloading your mommy dom fetish onto a race of black skinned villains who are mostly sexy FEMALES ready to punish you

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

it’s the reeking cloud of rotten nerd fetishes that really makes the whole mess even more classy

wow woah BIG titty fight grrl and a race of thieves who look like perpetual children (??!) WOAH hot ogres who are so sexy!! Wait we need more pedophiles how about a prequel book with an elf who is a young girl perpetually and can’t grow up

fuckin’ skin crawl creepshow as the author masturbates over including their ERP masterpieces in a generic D&D romp

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

hell astro course posted:



OP has a Plymouth Voyager with this bumper-sticker. This is the only thing that explains the hostility.

had a childhood 'friend' whose parents were a pair of abusive idiot hippy-dippy druids who were obsessed with all things fantasy and roleplaying, and their house was loving DIRTY, and the mother loved to repeat that stupid bumper sticker's phrase
40 year old woman and she's flailing her arms around cheering it out like the most twiddly-twee parody of a human you've ever seen

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

hell astro course posted:

this describes the type perfectly, down to the dirty house. Absolutely a type. God drat.

it was unbelievably gross, 10-year old me was silently wondering what the gently caress- they had rabbits who just shat everywhere, massive piles of dishes, mountains of books and papers lying about, DIRT-drenched carpets, weird hoarder stashes, you name it

just a bunch of insane and dirty and child-abusing freaks who love their fantasy novels that desperately want to be erotic fiction, but they're too much of a coward to write it so they sublimate it forever into lukewarm fantasy slop

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

The P&P RPG development scene has always been crawling and infested with sex criminals and creeps

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Nigmaetcetera posted:

I know, it takes a pretty sick mind to come up with kender.

“looks like young children forever race who steal and act innocent” gives me poo poo shivers for how blatantly fetishistic and child-rapey it’s slimed with

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

There is absolutely no interesting qualities to Tannis and he never actually suffers much at all for being half elf

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

nobody told those coulda-beens to masturbate BEFORE you go full horny ghoul with your lovely D&D game book

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Empty Sandwich posted:

Railroading

The rest of these posts are just me grousing about mediocrity.

Here's where things get... poo poo, very much more nerdy.

yeah railroading is a hell of a topic for a GM to tackle, and the old consensus among angry control-freak nerds was "I am God and you play in MY sandbox, peons"

When I design and run my adventures, I follow what I call the Skeleton System - first, I create the skeleton of the game and the entire plot, start to end. I think of who the important NPCs are, how the plot begins, plays out, and then ends. As best as I can think it all through. THEN. Then. You introduce the PCs. THEIR job is to absolutely maul the skeletal system I set up, by way of laying on the 'muscle' in the form of their actions changing the plot and expanding it. I may have originally planned, in a timeline plot undisturbed by the players, for Tanis to die at a certain point or get a kidney stone. I then change and adapt that set-in-stone bone by reacting to what the players do. You treat the players like they're stumbling into a planned-out timeline, and they're here to gently caress it up.

In this way, you follow a general outline, but it can constantly change, shift, and adapt to what unforeseen ideas the players have, while still maintaining a mostly cohesive start-middle-end trajectory. Worked amazing for a 7-year game I ran. You start with a skeleton and end with a full body that you AND the players built together. It's worth it if you can choke down your ego to allow things to go wildly different than how you planned. It becomes a game of act-react, constant adaptation and shifts.

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Nah it’s an EVIL RITUAL which perverts the egg into evil dragon men

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Galewolf posted:

First thing Lord Soth does in Ravenloft is chokeholding a red dragon and knocking it's teeth out like a chad.

He overcompensates. He will never be a chad. Always chasing coulda beens and abloo bloo blooing his own sad sorry stupid rear end.

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Robo Reagan posted:

freakin epic wheres the updoot button

gently caress Soth!! :mad:

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Fizban was a DMPC and the worst kind

Twee and silly because it was written by decayed ‘adults’ who never actually decided to grow up, for consumption by the same class of half-people who cry of you tell them Star Trek is cancelled

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

I could respect these loser freaks if they could just admit ‘this is low quality offensive porn I jerk off to’ but they can never quite seem to manage it

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

cynic posted:

I don't know why this one causes issues, but it did. A long time ago.



dragon is over this poo poo

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

bagual posted:



even pre teen me knew enough to not bother with the last book after the massive meandering mess the third one is

although now that this thread brought it out of the memory hole im morbidly curious and vaguely upset im never finishing it lol

never read these and hated the covers because the dragons look stupid as hell
made the right choice

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

when you think about it dragon scale mail like that makes no sense since you'd need to use REALLY small scales like the ones found near the toes to have it fit right for a human suit, otherwise you should be using one massive scale chunked up more like dragon plate armor which is hardcore

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

I was about done being a teenager when those books were out and I heard what they said about him being so young, and I thought, as a kid who has been writing since I was like 10, thought "no way my stuff is NOT book-good at all, his stuff cannot be worth it"

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Automatic Slim posted:

Never figured out which way Raistlin , Caramon, and Kitiara were pronounced. Years later I find out the pronunciations in my head were all wrong.

And the books skipped over most of the plot of the modules.

Not mad just something else to add the list of grievances about the series.

Let's see. I was "Rast-lin", "Cara-mon" like a cara-mel dig-mon, and "Kit-eh-are-uh" like a model kit

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

ArbitraryC posted:

Schlock or not I’d encourage kids to read this stuff.

I do not agree I would be extremely choosy about the 'stuff'

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

I keep forgetting it was really just mom-and-dad sanctioned publishing of ideas and I shrug because yeah he was just a kid and that was an unfair thing to say yes about, just let it be what it was and hope his career improves

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

any dork who still fetishizes the 'mysterious orient' needs to have their right to write taken away permanently

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Brevity is good
Most garbage puke fantasy books could be ok if they were 1/5th the length

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Prydain was a great early read even if they did gently caress up the ending really bad

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

that's why I like to run games where the PCs almost always end up obscure an unknown by the end despite whatever worldshaking thing they did

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Most of these books are written one-handed and it shows when the author no longer gets off on the porn and has to force a plot

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

PetraCore posted:

The things I liked about Pern were weird worldbuilding I felt could be, like... torn apart and reassembled in a way I like. I really liked the one with the mutant white dragon and his rider who wasn't allowed to be a formal rider bc of weird nobility issues. But in retrospect it like... wasn't good. Even stuff like I thought Lessa was cool and tough but in retrospect it's all about how she's fiery and emotional and F'lar or whatever has to 'tame' her and it's like, drat, can't a chick just want to punch things with dragons.

Seconding Tamora Pierce, though, I still keep up with her work because it's solid.

probably one of the biggest shames of a lot of fantasy is that a good deal has a handful of really cool ideas that could go somewhere (that isn't porn or child rape)

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

oh hey
I remember that guy's impossibly sad and handsome face from seeing that book advertised and in stores

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

come to think of it Dragonlance was probably another early event that helped to contribute to my OVERWHELMING DEICIDE COMPLEX

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Tunicate posted:

I believe canonically the guy Ao is talking to is the GM

that's some dumb nerd puke right there

Black August
Sep 28, 2003

Comstar posted:

I dunnom that sounds like something that would work. A Dungeon Master builds an entire world and the gods of said world then proceed to gently caress it up without his consent or knowlage and he dosn't find out until the adventure's go WAY off the rails. Like he's trying to get a party to loot a random dungeon and then the gods start walking around and the DM gets his world taken over by his creations.

Also it gave us the plot of Baldur's Gate I and II, and making your murder-hobo the son of the murder god who became a hobo to make perfect sense and thematic rhym.

yes that's a fine idea but I don't want to see it as the basis of a book unless it's actually written as "God tries to handle their favored people (the protags) but the lesser gods (or angels or whatever) keep loving around the planet" and not "LARRY THE DM'S CREATIONS GOT AWAY FROM HIM! ROLL DICE"

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Black August
Sep 28, 2003

also if you have to debate and think through the age implications of this creepshit then you're already stumbling way too far towards a real bad place and should walk away

the sex stuff is all creepy and hosed and I don't care about the age of consent of a crow because I don't want to read about magic crowfucking

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