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SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Dan Didio posted:

I’m lucky enough to live somewhere pretty much untouched by COVID.

How's the Inhuman palace on the dark side of the moon this time of year?

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SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

People will miss a guy dancing in a gorilla suit if they're looking too closely at a layup in a high school basketball game. I think it's fair to assume no one was paying attention to the specific facial details of the squeaky white boy who took his mask off for a minute in the middle of the most catastrophic and high stakes war to ever occur in all of history.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

can someone explain to me what the difference between HBO, HBO Go, and HBO Max?

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Codependent Poster posted:

Bob, Agent of Hydra

Oh hell that would be pretty great

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

John David Washington was badass and had a great screen presence in Tenet, I could see Marvel asking him if he'd like to take on the mantle of the Black Panther.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

This is just one man's opinion, but upon recollection I gotta say that nearly every character in every Zach Snyder film I've seen comes across like aliens who have only had human behavior and emotions broadly described to them. I dunno if it's the writing or direction or what, but everybody has a weird uncanniness to them.

I won't make any quality judgments about it (alienation is the entire philosophy of Brecht's work and people love that guy), but I will say it certainly seems like a decision

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

On the subject of superheroes definitely not murdering people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98UpAhyD3wc

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

MacheteZombie posted:

I like man of steel, but that post was funny

SlimGoodBody posted:
On that note, I think Bizarro, while maybe not a good villain to carry a movie, could be a tragic and beautiful piece of plot for a Supes movie. Someone (maybe Luthor, yawn) attempts to clone a Superman they can control, or maybe reverse engineer Superman-like abilities with a few drops of his blood. They want to use it to discredit the original Supes and turn public opinion against him. Bizarro ends up breaking loose and rampaging.

Don't make him evil, make him really dishearteningly broken in the head. He just keeps trying to "help" and "do the right thing," but he gets it all wrong because he's mentally deficient. Think Lenny trying to pet the rabbits. The plot arc culminates in Superman realizing that no amount of interposing will ever stop Bizarro from trying to do the right thing, just as no amount of interference would ever stop Superman from trying to do the right thing. We see Superman crying as he has to beat the life out of Bizarro, who doesn't understand what he's done. Superman doesn't want to do it, but it's a burden he has to bear in order to make the world safer. Supes has a period of reflection on whether he's any different, or if he's getting in the way of humanity moving itself forward by coddling it so much. He decides that he has to follow Bizarro's example and keep trying to do right, no matter what, and goes to take on the big bad guy that was responsible for/controlling Bizarro with a new sense of anger and purpose.

Or something. Whatever. You get the idea.

I love that DC made a movie based on my bad post from when I was 20 and all the most insane posters on this website will stan it into their graves

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Lucifer is so named because he was the Light Bringer, the Morning Star, so its luciferase because it lights up and that's just how science poo poo gets named, you idiot, you utter goof rear end

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Shirkelton posted:

eat his kid

Excuse me

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Jamesman posted:

Speaking of Captain Marvel, apparently the casting for the Ms. Marvel show has got people really upset.

What? Why? The girl is an unknown I think, but I'm sure she auditioned well and she's the right age

Edit:^^^ ah, I see

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Does Kirsten have to come back?

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Lurdiak posted:

If I had takes this bad I would not say them in public.

those movies really don't hold up

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Phylodox posted:

I feel like a lot of this sentiment is driven by ill-will towards Tobey McGuire, but I haven't seen those movies in a long time. I'll be sure to watch them again some time soon.

I watched them again maybe ten years ago and found them pretty cringey. They of course had their moments, but much like the X-Men movies, they aged poorly (to me, anyway).

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Okay but why are the prosthetic arms programmed to be evil, necessitating an inhibitor chip to begin with

Like, why would an arm have goals and motivations of any kind

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

I hope they don't try to get Hugh Jackman back. He was iconic and always gave 100% even when the material didn't deserve it, but he's also played the guy for like... 20 years, and he put a beautiful coda on his interpretation with Logan. He's also getting pretty old for the role of they're gonna keep having him appear. I'm ready for fresh blood in these roles.

Edit: I'm also really excited at the possibility of the Brood. They're a really scary threat. Lmao if Disney owns the rights to the xenomorphs from the Alien franchise (at this point I can't keep track of what they've gobbled up) they can even tie the Brood in with them somehow.

SlimGoodbody fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Dec 11, 2020

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

site posted:

walker was a pedo

Whaaat spill the beans

achillesforever6 posted:

Yeah my lefty twitter feed has been dunking on the admittedly dumb take that superhero movies are like mythology take; and I'm like "I'm depressed and do enough socialist organizing to be able to indulge in these movies without guilt or whatever" I do think people try justifying their enjoyment of these movie on levels way too deep

I'm a raging leftist lunatic and I still love these stupid movies for no deeper reason than "I grew up reading comics and I like action/adventure movies." The need for people to make a moral case for everything they like or dislike is one of the most exhausting products of a world in which everyone has sublimated their political powerlessness into battling over cultural signifiers.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

I've Like When The,, theSuper Hero punch the Guy... Guve My Love To Jesse And The Boys

Slimgoodbody

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Jamesman posted:

Rewatching The Boys, and it's a darn shame Erin Moriarty is tied up with that show because I think she'd be a great Sue Storm.

She played a character on the Jessica Jones show, so clearly she can't be Sue Storm as that would throw the entire continuity of the MCU into chaos and disarray. "This is Hope Shlottman," people would shriek every time Sue was on screen, "Hope Shlottman from Jessica Jones!!"

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

I think the motivation for Black Manta is objectively terrible and hilarious. Like, my man, your whole crew was murderous pirates, your dad was aggressively attempting to kill Aquaman and in the process crushed himself with exploding submarine pieces, no one is under any obligation to do nice things for any of you

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Hollywood execs are almost universally rich dipshits with terrible taste and opinions. It's such a bizarre ecosystem.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

I remember prior to the trailers a teenager on a DS two rows down who kept going "Mommeeeeeeeeeee Mommeeeeeeeeeeeeee Mommeeeeee" to her mom for ten minutes straight. Cool that you guys have your dumb injoke but jesus christ.

My main memory of the first Avengers was the girl next to me *whipping out a laptop* during act 3 and just clickity clacking around.

What the gently caress, where do you live dude

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Wasn't the first Wonder Woman literally about how an evil god came to earth and orchestrated the world war

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

AngryBooch posted:

They announced Inhumans in like 2014 and that... turned out to be not what they were promising.

I think Inhumand was at the tail end of the Ike Perlmutter debacle. Dude was an egomaniac cheapskate with bad taste, and he seemed to mostly want to shovel garbage out as rapidly as possible for a quick buck rather than take the time and money (and cooperation) needed to develop something that could become a consistent, stable resource.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Lobok posted:

I didn't mind the invisible part, I just thought it was weird that that plane was fully fueled and somehow flew directly from DC to Egypt or they just skipped over the part where they had to invisibly land and steal fuel from somewhere.

The longer the movie went on, the more people seemed to just instantly teleport to whatever place the plot needed them to be irrespective of location or time of day or the fact that you can't get jet fuel at a gas station

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003


SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Gaz-L posted:

You joke, but he could easily have gotten them to use his terrible album for music on the show.

I had completely memory holed his foray into music, and now you do this to me

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Yeah my guess is we'll get Brady Bunch style, then Who's the Boss, then Friends, then... maybe New Girl or something? Trying to remember what was going on in the mid 00s sitcom world but drawing a blank since that's when I started torrenting and streaming poo poo instead of watching normal tv

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Christ the Snyderverse seems to produce an inordinate amount of drama. Anyway. Do you suppose Carol Danvers was around when Maria Rambeau died? Will we get a scene in Captain Marvel 2 where Carol deals with the disappearance of Monica, or Maria's cancer coming out of remission?

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

I agree that the kind of filmic violence we often see Batman engage in, which is glorified action movie violence for the sake of cinematic spectacle (and is admittedly fun to look at as an exercise in visceral adrenaline cinema), would irl end up with a lot of people dead, crippled, permanently maimed or disfigured, and so on. The violence he enacts often seems cruel beyond necessity. Focusing on that outcome opens up a set of problems, eliding that outcome opens up a different set of outcomes. Personally, I prefer Batman to avoid those situations whenever possible in the first place.

Batman has become seen as "the badass martial arts fighter guy" because that's a comparatively easy thing to make look exciting and cool in a movie, but it excises a part of the character that I like, which is that he is intelligent, tactical, patient, stealthy, and well prepared. If he is standing in the middle of a dozen guys with machine guns, you've already made a really weird choice about how to portray him. He shouldn't need to be killing dudes to solve a situation, and I imagine would be furious with himself for ending up backed into that kind of corner.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Are they still in the casting phase of Captain Marvel 2? I thought they'd started filming already. Maybe I'm thinking of Love and Thunder

Vandar posted:

I'm late to the Firefly/anime discussion but the obvious inspiration that none of you mentioned was Cowboy Bebop. Whedon saw Cowboy Bebop and thought he could do better.

(He couldn't.)

Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, and Trigun

Man I thought Firefly was so cool as a kid and there is SO much about it that does not age well. I think it benefited from the magic of being cancelled before it got explored enough to become a terrible vehicle for even more of Whedon's worst creative hangups, so everyone imagined an potential infinite upward trajectory of quality that couldn't be proven wrong

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Aliens don't have souls and their lives don't matter unless they're good friends with at least one human. Christ died to wash away the sins of MANkind, not kree kind or titan kind or whatever

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Aphrodite posted:

It's Peter's idea (because of Aliens), but Tony does all of it.

Still legally responsible I suppose.

It's splitting totally pointless hairs that I don't actually care about, but I'd say there's a fair difference between being in a situation where you're trapped against your will on an alien starship whose eventual intent is to see the death of half of all life in the universe, and the strongest guy among you is completely powerless and at the mercy of an omnicidal villain. I think it should be fairly uncontroversial for Weapons Manufacturer Man Who Has Never Had A Problem With Killing and Panicking Child Who Is Completely Out Of His Depth to go gloves off and jettison the dude who pretty much singlehandedly pushed their poo poo in.

Batman, whose characterization is usually something like The Most Absurdly Competent Genius Olympian Martial Arts Ninja, voluntarily entered a situation he could have probably avoided, or solved with knockout gas or something. The purpose of that scene was to show Bruce doing insane kung fu and brutal takedowns with cool swooping camera shots. It's fine for that to be in the movie, it is an action movie after all, I just don't think that both of these scenarios have identical context and weight, nor are they necessarily useful explanations of the other.

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

I think there is probably a lot to be said by a smarter person than me on the evolution of public feelings over time on topics of wealth, extrajudicial punishment, torture, surveillance, what counts as "necessary" in the scope of mainting social cohesion and control, what counts as "serious" or "realistic" in the realm of fictional adaptations (and the inclination itself to see those qualities as somehow inherently desirable or needed within this context), etc, and how those all relate to Batman as a particularly resonant character

I would even argue that Snyder's interpretation is both a subject of that commentary as well as a commentary in and of itself. But I do see a lot of seemingly unexamined assertion and defense of that interpretation as the most/only valid/intelligent one for some reason. I think many people have a lot of ego and longtime personal investment tied into these brands and stories, and it makes it difficult to have conversations about the topic without some positions feeling like direct insults to a person's values, opinions, and intelligence.

SlimGoodbody fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Feb 19, 2021

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

BrianWilly posted:

That's kinda weird tbh

Did Snyder actually say all that stuff or is this jokey hyperbole posting?

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003


Wow, that's uh, hmm

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

I've always been a Street Fighter guy (fatalities where, say, Johnny Cage tears his screaming daughter in half while mugging for the camera, are just viscerally upsetting and offputting to me) but that MK movie looks like a lot of fun.

As for "why any violence at all in superhero movies," there's been a lot of good input on it so far. I wanted to add that some of it is ontological to the genre and history of the medium. The superhero film comes from the superhero comic, and the superhero comic has its roots in professional wrestling. The larger than life characters in leotards, physically grappling with each other to perform metaphors of ideological tension and conflict to broad audiences, that was the established narrative and visual shorthand that cape comics grew from.

In wrestling, you'd have a relatable hometown hero winning against some other wrestler who represented the greedy rich guy, or the scary foreigner, or some other group that the audience saw as threatening. The physical conflict was the narrative metaphor for the struggle between those groups, and the physical victory provided the catharsis for that social tension. Supers use nearly identical grammar, with people donning costumes to become analogous representatives of various values, political ideologies, aspirations, what have you, and then the battling similarly posed villains. They punched each other and shot energy beams because it's easier to use four color printing to make that look cool to a child than, like, people sitting down and having long and discursive philosophical debates over the merits of risky freedom versus stifling order or whatever.

For decades, comics were a medium that was, more often than not, an incoherent continuity of outlandish events that existed first and foremost to get children to give you their nickle. Only much later did people really try to consistently and earnestly tell stories there with an eye towards treating the medium as literary, and it's from that literary trend that superhero movies primarily pull their stories, tone, characterizations, and so on.

Superhero movies almost definitionally include physical conflict because that's what the visual and narrative grammar was from very first principles. It's an easy way to analogize ideological conflict. You name a guy Protector and put a shield on his chest and he goes and punches a guy named Lord Hatred who is dressed like a skeleton and you feel good because a whole poo poo ton of complex negotiations about power and security and mortality and morality and whatnot have all been subconsciously massaged while you were entertained by the visual spectacle of acrobatic fighting and magic powers.

You almost certainly can have a movie where a superhero reaches the finale without ever doing any violence, but I don't know if it would be a "superhero movie" anymore. Is Green Mile a superhero movie? Or Powder, or Phenomenon, or KPAX? Is E.T. a superhero? At some point, everything becomes soup if you try to stretch its boundaries beyond what it can sustain as a genre. A genre is a set of assumptions, expectations, and tropes that act as an imprecise container for a narrative. It can be grown, explored, subverted, etc, but at some point you can alter things enough that people no longer feel satisfied by the story, because it advertised itself as one genre but then didn't perform any of the roles that the genre is useful for.

Edit: there are comics that have explored all of this really well, like even Watchmen had Comedian tell Ozymandias that "the world has problems, but only an idiot thinks they'll be solved by you punching a guy." I think Watchmen is a more interesting exploration of the limits of violent heroism than Snyder's nihilistic libertarian interpretations.

SlimGoodbody fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 19, 2021

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Just elling my god drat aye oh

https://twitter.com/HourComeAtLast/status/1362876249010409472?s=19

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

Do they actually make any attempt to explain why you can pull a normal human's spine out and then strangle them with it, but they'll be back twenty minutes later and everything's fine?

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SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003

BSS Movie Thread: How is this nonsense? If you are a fan of Joker this makes perfect sence. The irony of a destroyed world and not only how we view God but the heros in that world as God's and if it all went to poo poo and somehow Joker was alive. Yea he'd be fuckimg Jesus. Because that's the joke

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