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Jun 20, 2008

poop
Fart on thread, Beet OP.

DJP was arrested by police in Kalgoorlie about 1pm on 8 January 2011 for failing to obey a move-on notice. He was intoxicated and became aggressive during check in, and repeatedly told police he was "a sick man". Police did not complete the required welfare questions but placed DJP into a high-risk category due to his alcoholism and chronic health issues. At 3.30pm he fell over in the cell and died following a seizure. His family suggested the seizure could have been caused by an attack on him by two white teenagers, which had been put on YouTube three weeks earlier.

ISSUES RAISED
Procedures not all followed, mental health / cognitive impairment.

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Jun 20, 2008

poop
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-11/live-blog-nsw-government-liberal-national-stoush-over-koalas/12652672

NSW Nats double down on being craven little shits.

KM was one of three people from the Northern Territory's Ntaria community, or Hermannsburg, killed when a car rolled on Larapinta Drive on 22 December 2012. The car was being driven by her husband, who was intoxicated and ignored pleas from her and others to stop. The driver pleaded guilty to three counts of dangerous driving causing death. The coroner did not consider them to be deaths in custody because police only made a brief attempt to stop the car before falling back, and had lost sight of the car when it crashed.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

abigserve posted:

I thought one of the big takeaways from last season was that there is a huge portion of australia where a fire could start and no one would actually know for ages until it's massive.

I'm not super optimistic they will ever get to that goal but I am pretty positive that with the right people (FUND CSIRO YOU STUPID FUCKS I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT DREAM OF WORKING ON A LARGE SCALE SENSOR NETWORK LIKE THIS) working on it I think they could massively improve in this area
lol

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-06/national-parks-underfunded-former-ranger-warns/11282562

Most of the effected national parks in NSW haven't rebuilt the bridges/embankments (etc) destroyed in the last fires. It's a clown poo poo show from arsehole to breakfast.

KA was one of three people from the Northern Territory's Ntaria community, also known as Hermannsburg, killed when a car rolled on Larapinta Drive on 22 December 2012. Her husband KO also died; they were well-known childhood sweethearts. The coroner did not consider them to be deaths in custody because police only made a brief attempt to stop the car before falling back, and had lost sight of the car when it crashed. The driver pleaded guilty to three counts of dangerous driving causing death. A woman who survived the crash said they were pleading with the driver to slow down or stop.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Ffs stop caving into the LNP viral marketing of 'scomo'. Scummo perhaps? Or that worthless fat gently caress that should have stayed in Hawaii and maybe thrown himself into a volcano. Shito?

Ms Mandijarra lay dead on the floor of a crowded watch house cell for up to four hours before it was noticed she was dead. She had been arrested by police in Broome at 6pm on 29 November 2012 because she was drinking with a group of women on Male Oval. She was not closely checked from the time she entered the cell. Her death prompted the Western Australian coroner to recommend abolishing the practice of arresting or detaining someone for street drinking. She also recommended that intoxicated persons be given a mandatory health assessment when arrested.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
How many terabytes is your collection now?

GAM had been in prison for 32 years at the time of his death from a heart attack in November 2012. The coroner said there were failings with his healthcare. The prison was not equipped with some of the drugs he needed and as a result he missed out on treatment and was given old medication. GAM was also not listed for medical observations, despite his condition. GAM was revered by the other Indigenous prisoners, and would talk to them about putting their lives back on track. His family sought assistance from Queensland Corrective Services to help with funeral costs to bury him in his homeland, but the request was refused.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
What's the Supreme Court of Melbourne Online?

CKH was found hanging in his cell at Maryborough correctional centre in the early hours of 7 November 2012. In the preceding months he had, at various times, been accommodated in the MCC safety unit due to self-reported suicidal ideation. However, two days prior to his death CKH's risk classification was lowered and, having already begun a process of reintegration, he was returned to a regular cell. The drawstring on a prison laundry bag, thinner than it should have been, enabled CKH to fashion a noose through the otherwise inaccessible holes in an air vent.

ISSUES RAISED
Mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
JJR was a passenger in a car that crashed in November 2012 while it was being pursued in a high-speed chase by police in Stirling Street, Northam, Western Australia. That car was owned and being driven by his cousin, who did not have a driver’s licence. A pair of junior police officers were sent to search for the car following noise complaints from the public, and a pair of senior officers in an unmarked car joined the search because JJR’s cousin was flagged as having previously assaulted police. It was the unmarked car which conducted the pursuit, reaching speed in excess of 100km/h.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

chinigz posted:

This isn't as clear cut as you are making it out to be, there is good evidence that police do deter crime and the more there are the more crime is deterred. https://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/TerrorAlertProofs.pdf

quote:

Do police deter crime? A majority of studies surveyed found that either
there is no relationship or increases in the number of police are associated
with increases in the level of crime.

First para introduction.

A paper in which two economist desperately flail around to try and defend the indefensible. :bravo:

The biggest problem is they are asking the wrong loving question. Maybe if we tried "What causes crime?"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zqb2pv4/revision/2#:~:text=The%20causes%20of%20crime%20are,into%20which%20they%20are%20born.

quote:

The causes of crime are complex. Poverty, parental neglect, low self-esteem, alcohol and drug abuse can be connected to why people break the law. Some are at greater risk of becoming offenders because of the circumstances into which they are born.
So unless the police are all rich, exemplarity parents, skilled motivational speakers who do extensive rehab work then their effect on crime is likely to be limited. This problem has been kicked around since the start of the 'tough on crime', 'war on drugs' bullshit first became a political winner. The result has been a bunch of ridiculously designed and scoped studies trying to defend a completely political policy while the rest of the acedemic world gets on with publishing proper work that identifies the actual causes of crime and the economic solutions that have 100% nothing to do with policing.

Seriously the evidence against the proposition more po po = less crime is so vastly overwhelming you'd have to be significantly ignorant of the whole field of criminology over the last 5 decades to even bring it up.

The police do however manage to exterminate a bunch of first nations people who are criminals because not enough police?

Mr Toby died after the Toyota Hilux he was driving rolled on an unsealed section of road about 27km north of Kununurra. He was being followed by police in another Hilux who had attempted to flag him down in town to perform a random breath test. The coroner said police had misinterpreted their own emergency driving policy, and three officers were reprimanded for allowing the pursuit. Toby was on bail for driving offences including drink driving and driving unlicensed and had never held a driving licence. His blood alcohol level was five times the legal limit.

ISSUES RAISED
Procedures not all followed, injured in custody, mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Can we please stop being complete pieces of poo poo as a country?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-30/santos-narrabri-coal-seam-gas-project-approved/12716350

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-16/adelaide-police-aboriginal-man-punch-arrest/12359426?nw=0 (old but unposted).

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...wful-resolution

So clearly the LNP think they owe Patricks something. The claims about delaying essential medicines are complete lies especially when most of the shut down has been due to Patricks effectively employing a lock out. gently caress these clowns.

RDH died in August 2012. He had spent 26 years of his life in prison or secure psychiatric care. He had been treated in the past for a chronic heart condition. The coroner found that his care was adequate and reasonable but his family said he should have been placed in a hospital rather than a prison and, given his psychiatric illness, he had diminshed capacity to make his own decisions regarding healthcare.

ISSUES RAISED
Mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qj83LE2Mpw

If you aren't already subscribed, own the T-shirts and mugs, do so now.

TCW is thought to have drowned in the Canning River at Thornlie, Western Australia, while attempting to evade police. He was last seen crossing the river on foot on the Spring Road Bridge while being followed by police and it is believed he may have jumped in. His body was not found until seven days later. His family raised concerns that he may have been assaulted, but the coroner ruled out foul play.

ISSUES RAISED
Mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Jerbs and grauth!

PB overdosed on heroin which had been smuggled into the Emu Plains minimum security correctional centre by a visitor. She was only 21 years old. Guards admitted to the coroner that they would have found the contraband if they had followed correct daily procedures, including searches and perimeter checks. PB's cellmates also failed to alert authorities to her condition during the evening. "The tragedy of this matter is that, apart from the failings by Corrective Services staff on the night of her death, had any of the other inmates in House 3 chosen to “buzz up” there seems little doubt PB could have been saved," the coroner wrote.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Real politic advice:

Even if you do exhaustive research and discover who the least worst candidate is, everybody else is going to vote for Transparently Evil Scum Candidate. TESC will win in a landslide leaving you wallowing in inconsequential rage, now in full knowledge of your impotence against the 40 000 carat block of ignorance, selfishness and incompetence that is the Australian populace.

So,

You can save your self a bunch of time and grief and just donkey vote or vote informal. These clowns only run a city council, after all, and in general councils suck billy goat scrotum, even when run by the most politically pure candidate imaginable.

P died after she crashed a car that she had taken from youth workers that lived with her in a residential care unit. She was travelling at speeds of more than 140km/h. The crash occurred a short time after police attempted to get her to pull over, but police did not pursue the car because they were aware she was 13. She had been involved in child protection since she was born and had been in 14 separate out-of-home care placements since she was two.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, injured in custody, mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Mattjpwns posted:

nice meltdown
But is it the quality of pre lockdown meltdowns? And if not then is Dan Andrews really at fault?

At least Queensland has got contact tracing right,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/mongols-bikie-shane-bowden-shot-dead-gold-coast-covid-19/12753224

Hugh White thinks Australia can defend itself,

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/hugh-white-australia-indonesia/12753340

CN died when the car he was driving hit a power pole and burst into flames. He was intoxicated, driving at speeds of 171km/h on a 60km/h road in central Alice Springs in an attempt to evade police, who had tried to flag him down a few minutes earlier but were not in pursuit. His sister-in-law KT was also killed in the crash and three other passengers were injured. The coroner said the incident raised concerns that some drivers were becoming more bold because police had ceased to pursue cars that were driving in a particularly risky manner.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Here CS:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-08-03/coronavirus-has-science-changed-surface-transmission-covid-19/12512720

That's how Covid 19 is transmitted. Unless you are using a hover board your solo (and/or accompanied) walk involves touching surfaces and possibly (without your knowledge or consent) walking through aerosol droplets containing the virus. Much less likely outdoors and away from 'crowded areas' but still possible. Going further than the mandated minimum increases your risk of casual accidental contacts, while waiting at traffic lights (etc.) just by the extra time spent in transit in an urban environment. These rules aren't without their flaws/faults/logic holes but they are based on science. Science that your previous blanket 'not spreading the virus' would seem to not support. Also I'm from NSW and that doesn't alter facts at all, so gently caress that line of argument to hell and back.

And JBP I'd much rather hear about his kid than a whole bunch of other crap that gets posted here so maybe back the gently caress up on that.

Meanwhile in the corrupt hellscape that is NSW the luckiest premier of all seems to be having a little spot of bother:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/nsw-premier-gladys-berejiklian-daryl-maguire-icac-hearing/12762374

Hello!

quote:

Her handling of the bushfire crisis and ability to keep the country's largest economy functioning through much of the coronavirus pandemic so far has won her plaudits from the public and even the other side of politics.

Are people really that stupid?

https://npansw.org.au/campaigns-2/protect-our-parks/national-parks-and-wildlife-service/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-06/national-parks-underfunded-former-ranger-warns/11282562

https://www.themandarin.com.au/120342-parks-and-wildlife-funding-cuts-in-the-spotlight-as-nsw-nationals-play-the-blame-game/

The NPWS (and state forests) have not replaced around 80% of the bridges burnt out last fire season. That greatly restricts the access of fire fighters to fire grounds and places them at extreme risk should they become trapped due to fires cutting of other approaches. It is complete insanity and only a very mild fire season will prevent a complete disaster. Based on current infrastructure replacement rates there will need to be around three to fivbe years of mild fire seasons to allow for the current funding to cope. And let's be clear these missing bridges are also restricting public access to natural resources and endangering the public if they to find themselves unable to return on the route they entered from.

Will be interesting to see whether the Rooters, Tooters, and Shooters actual stand by there threat to insist on GB's resignations (Along with thread favourite and One Nation member Mark "complete gently caress head" Latham).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/gladys-berejiklian-daryl-maguire-icac-evidence-live-blog/12761936

And Mr Morrison would certainly know what a "numpty decision" is.

KT was the front seat passenger in a car driven by CN that crashed into a power pole at high speeds and burst into flames. The car was being driven at speeds of up to 171km/h in a 60km/h zone to evade police, who had tried to flag it down earlier but were not in pursuit. CN was killed in the crash and three others, including KT’s sister, were injured. They said they had been trying to get CN to stop but he was concerned about being arrested.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

CelestialScribe posted:

Are you suggesting here that someone can contract the virus while driving? I'm genuinely asking, because you mention traffic lights here.
Apart from the obvious stopped at stop light/stop sign/pedestrian crossing/railway gate/give way sign and passing into a contaminated area of air directly. What about if someone gets droplets on the outside of your car and then you touch the outside of your car and then touch your face? Also "I'm" not suggesting anything. Read the article provided.

PAC was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer while being treated for pneumonia at Alice Springs hospital. He was referred to hospital from the Alice Springs Correctional Centre, where he was serving a five-year sentence. He was able to speak to his family before he died, but his family said at the inquest that they were distressed to see him still shackled to his bed in the Alice Springs hospital, despite being terminally ill. The coroner recommended a review should reconsider guidelines around restraint of prisoners in hospital, and consider increasing resources to the Alice Springs correctional centre's medical clinic.

ISSUES RAISED
Procedures not all followed, force used.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

CelestialScribe posted:

I think we can both agree this particular example is a bit ridiculous.
gently caress up you hideous ignoramus and poo poo talking arse monkey. I think we can all agree on that.

Kwementyaye Briscoe died in the Alice Springs watch house in January 2012 after being arrested for drinking in a public place. His death was the second of its kind at the watch house in two years. The coroner found his death was preventable and the medical care provided was "completely inadequate". Briscoe was dragged to his cell, where he eventually stopped breathing. The cell checks conducted were insufficient. The coroner made three recommendations to Northern Territory police, and two to the NT government. Individual police members were internally disciplined.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, force used, mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

hambeet posted:

i think elimination would have been ideal.

Launchpad McQuack posted:

Totalitarian much? Holy poo poo.

FWD had a heart attack while playing rugby at the age of 28. He never mentioned those heart problems to Justice Health when incarcerated in New South Wales, and gave his medical history as not having a history of heart disease. He had never been diagnosed with heart disease. On 28 December he had difficulty breathing while lying on his bed at Junee correctional centre and asked his cellmate to call for help. He was rushed to hospital but died, with the cause of death listed as ischaemic heart disease. His family said prisons should try to take more comprehensive medical histories.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

norp posted:

Because we should just make it easier to "corpse-atise yourself"....
Especially the high income earners.

Want to listen to CS?

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/businesses-frustrated-about-melbourne/12781030

JKP was jailed in March 2013 at the age of 61. He was suffering a number of chronic health conditions, the most serious of which was congestive heart disease, which continued to deteriorate throughout the year until he died in the prison infirmary on Boxing Day. He was born on Thursday Island and his nephew, who was being held at the same prison, acted as his carer in the final months of his life. He did not raise any concerns about the quality of his uncle’s healthcare in prison.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

EoinCannon posted:

Sounds like some Australians need to remember something called Mateship
I think you'll find we stopped those boats.

Also Dan Andrews 'zinger' on Josh "The Tosser" Frydenburg? :discourse:

RCG had been declared unsuitable for release following conviction for a number of serious sex crimes and was serving a period of indefinite detention. At the time of his death he had been in jail for 28 years and institutionalised most of his life. He was diagnosed with stomach cancer in 2013, after initially refusing extensive testing in 2011. He was made to wear shackles while undergoing palliative care at Royal Perth hospital and the shackles were only removed after he died.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
How good is Grant Hehir?

https://www.anao.gov.au/

He seems determined to succeed where all else have failed and actually hand this incompetent clown car government its arse. Completely by the rules. Can I get three cheers?

(also CS is a rank amateur at getting ignored compared to say Amethyst at #7 and 1149 ignorers).

GAM had been in prison for 32 years at the time of his death from a heart attack in November 2012. The coroner said there were failings with his healthcare. The prison was not equipped with some of the drugs he needed and as a result he missed out on treatment and was given old medication. GAM was also not listed for medical observations, despite his condition. GAM was revered by the other Indigenous prisoners, and would talk to them about putting their lives back on track. His family sought assistance from Queensland Corrective Services to help with funeral costs to bury him in his homeland, but the request was refused.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

The Peccadillo posted:

This is happening in Brisbane for some reason


It's a climate protest. Why aren't you there?

VBVC was diagnosed with lung cancer in late 2012, 18 years into a prison stint for murder. He refused treatment unless he was granted parole. The parole board declined to consider giving him parole unless he was guaranteed a place at a palliative care ward in Townsville. He was approved for an internal prison transfer from Wolston correctional centre to Townsville, where most of his family lived, the day before he died in November 2013. A coroner found his care in both prison and hospital was appropriate and that he understood his decision in refusing treatment.

ISSUES RAISED
Mental health / cognitive impairment.

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Jun 20, 2008

poop

The Peccadillo posted:

Y'think we'd join an invasion of Iran?
Lol. You already know the answer.

Money well spent, in 2001 by Steve Gower, JWH et al.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiDVb5abH1U

Also NTATA is on the AWM council.

GWR died in October 2013 after a stolen van being driven by one of his friends, who was trying to evade police, rolled on Collins Street in Carnarvon, Western Australia. He was 15 and the driver of the car, aged 17, was later convicted of dangerous driving causing death. Both boys were well-known, well-liked and described as good kids. The van had been left unlocked at a local pub and the friends, who had been drinking, took it for a joyride. Police tried to intercept them but when that failed followed at a distance because they did not have permission to engage in a pursuit.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
I'll bite.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-23/union-says-australia-post-problems-extend-past-luxury-watches/12805128

PM Morrison must be thanking his lucky stars he has someone to throw under the bus to try and distract from the increasing smell of corruption coming from inside his inner circle. HIs denunciation was far too enthusiastic.

VAC was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer shortly after being put on remand at Alice Springs correctional centre and died four months later in August 2013 in the palliative care ward of Alice Springs hospital. He was born in Charleville in Queensland in 1949 and had missed several follow-up medical appointments before moving to the NT shortly before his arrest. He had been charged with a very serious crime and had been denied bail. The coroner said the prison took a “very humane approach” to his care, which was of a higher standard than he would have received in the community.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
That's a dumb way to draw a dick.

RS was born at Wave Hill in 1974 and lived between the Kalkaringi and Darguragu communities. He had a number of significant illnesses including alcoholic cardiomyopathy, or heart failure due to excessive alcohol consumption, as well as renal failure and high blood pressure. He was described at inquest as a “very sick man”. He missed an intake medical check at Darwin correctional centre on 2 July because his unit was under lockdown due to staff shortages, and was taken to hospital with seizures later that day. The coroner said his care in prison and hospital was adequate.

ISSUES RAISED
Mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Yeah Hambeet "made a funny™"

Will Hambeet survive the week?

Like Gladys Berejiklian the charmed run has to be coming to an end.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/former-nsw-auditor-general-says-berejiklian-should-resign-20201027-p5692l.html

quote:

A former NSW auditor-general has warned that the shredding of documents related to $250 million in council grants was likely to be unlawful and should end Gladys Berejiklian's leadership. Tony Harris, who has also served as a senior Commonwealth public servant, said he was confident the Premier's office breached the State Records Act when it destroyed paper and digital records. "The role that the Premier's office had in the shredding of documents is good reason for her departure, she should resign," he said.

NSW Labor is also arguing that the shredding of documents breached the act and has referred Ms Berejiklian to the NSW Police Commissioner for investigation. Maguire aside, the Premier's steadfast command has been shredded. A spokeswoman for the Premier said: "The Premier’s Office complies with its obligations under the State Records Act.”

Mr Harris said while there had been no "persuasive reason" for Ms Berejiklian's resignation on the back of revelations of her relationship with disgraced former MP Daryl Maguire, "enough is way too much". "I allege that the shredding those documents is unlawful, and so when you package everything up together, it's time for her to go," he said. A senior policy officer from Ms Berejiklian's office told a parliamentary committee on Friday that she provided briefing notes to the Premier with a list of projects – one of them involving $90 million for Hornsby Shire Council – and later shredded the documents. Sarah Lau said she gave Ms Berejiklian a "working advice note" and the Premier indicated "on that note that she was comfortable" with the projects. When asked where the note was, Ms Lau responded: "I then disposed of those working advice notes that I had used to prepare that final record". The final record was an email.

The Stronger Communities Fund, established after council mergers in 2016, handed out more than $250 million in grants in Coalition-held electorates in the lead up to last year's state election. Ms Berejiklian directly approved more than $141 million in council grants. Labor's local government spokesman Greg Warren has also written to Information Commissioner Elizabeth Tydd, asking that she investigate "serious and systemic breaches" of the State Records Act 1998 and the Government Information (Public Access) Act 2009. His letter says the evidence given at Friday's committee hearing "exposed genuinely concerning issues relating to the records management practices of the Office of the Premier of NSW". "The governance of the program seems to have departed significantly from conventional and accepted practice for a program of this scope and scale," Mr Warren's letter said. He said the significance of Ms Lau's working advice notes "cannot be underestimated". "Ms Lau relied entirely on the advice of the working advice notes in the course of advising departmental officials to allocate $141.8 million of the $252 million on behalf of the Premier of NSW," Mr Warren's letter said. "The specific working advice notes referred to by Ms Lau are the only documentation that contains the original recommendation, including reasons, to the Premier for the expenditure of $141.8 million."

Under the government's formal requirement for ministers' offices records, and a requirement of the act, "briefing notes or papers maintained in the Premier's Office" are "required as state archives." Mr Warren has also written to Police Commissioner Mick Fuller, telling him he has concerns about a "number of potential offences under section 21 of the State Records Act". "Under section 21 of the State Records Act 1998 (the Act), a person must not "abandon or dispose of a State record", nor "damage or alter a State record"," Mr Warren's letter said.
:fork:

DWW had a background of self-harm and suicide attempts and a diagnosed history of schizophrenia. The coroner was critical of the mental healthcare he received. It took far too long to transfer DWW to the mental health screening unit by which time he was in crisis. "The evidence and expert opinion indicates DWW's mental health deteriorated without sufficiently prompt and active intervention," the coroner wrote. He was required to be under constant video surveillance but managed to throw wet toilet paper onto the lens of a camera about 3.14pm on 5 April 2013. While the guards had noticed this, they did not investigate until about 20 minutes later, when they came to deliver him a meal. DWW was found with an apparent ligature around his neck. He never regained consciousness and died nine days later at John Hunter hospital.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Just want to emphasis what an enormous victory this was (in Q).

MJK collapsed in the visitors' yard of Hakea prison in March 2013 and did not regain consciousness after being taken to Fremantle hospital. He suffered from heart disease, high cholesterol, asthma and diabetes. He was also a long-term smoker and did not regularly take his medication. He had been in jail for 27 years and 4 months when he died, and had been moved 19 times within the prison system. His family raised concerns that the system had lost track of his medication needs when he moved, however the coroner did not find evidence to support that.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

hambeet posted:

do you have any hambeet in you?
Is there a vegan option?

Jayden Bennell was found hanged in an unlocked cleaning supply storeroom opposite his cell at 3.44pm on 6 March. An Aboriginal support worker raised the alarm that he was missing at 1.30pm, but guards did not search for him until he missed the 3.15pm muster. The support worker was also not interviewed about JSB’s death until February 2016. The coroner said JSB received “inadequate” mental healthcare, criticised the seven-month gap in scheduling psychiatrist appointments, and said prisons should take a more holistic approach to mental healthcare. The storeroom was not locked until a week before the inquest began.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, mental health / cognitive impairment.

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Jun 20, 2008

poop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs

The original release sold over 6 million copies and was the most successful Australian-produced single in Australian music history for many years, with sales of over 450,000 copies. It was Australia's first triple platinum recording by the old count of 100,000 units equalling platinum status, which has since changed to 75,000 units, then 50,000, and finally 70,000 units.

JW drowned in February 2013 while attempting to evade police by swimming across the Murrary River downstream of Berri, South Australia. Police sought to question him over an alleged robbery earlier in the day.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody, mental health / cognitive impairment.

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Jun 20, 2008

poop

Knobb Manwich posted:

If you go by number of breasts it looks remarkably like the Dewey system.
Something, something, Braille.

In case some of you had surprise lobotomies a reminder that Christian Porter is the Attorney General. They are without a single doubt the person most likely to heavily compromise Australia's most vital intelligence assets if they were to fall victim to a honey trap. More over the whole edifice of the Protective Security apparatus relies on everyone in the hierarchy below him exercising extreme care in these 'intimate' matters. Once upon a time the merest suggestion that an AG had been exposed to a compromising situation would have led to an immediate shame faced resignation. Not our CP nuh uh he's looking at the courts for defamation. Another thing he should know as AG is unlikely to fly. It really is beyond the pale/satire.

Mr Lord, known to his family as Bud, had a heart attack while in hospital awaiting gall bladder surgery. He was serving a jail sentence for driving disqualified. An inquest found his health care in hospital was adequate but his family called for changes to the laws that allowed him to be jailed for driving while disqualified, saying they unfairly targeted Aboriginal people and those in remote and regional areas. A 2017 review by the Australian Law Reform Commission later found the laws overwhelmingly affected Aboriginal people.

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Jun 20, 2008

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And here is why the ALP will lose the next federal election:

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/fitzgibbon-quits-after-climate/12870542

JM died in Canberra hospital one month after being denied a lung transplant because he was a heavy smoker. He was just 26 years old but had been diagnosed with usual interstitial pneumonia, an untreatable disease caused by scarring of the lungs which is usually seen in people aged 50 and over. He was serving a 13-year sentence at Alexander Maconochie centre.

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Jun 20, 2008

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Buttcoin purse posted:

What's a "cheesecloth brigade"? :psyduck:
"hippies"

JAA died from ischaemic heart disease, but the relevant contribution of chronic lung disease and the possibility of concurrent drug toxicity was difficult to completely exclude at that time. JAA's sister was distressed that she was unable to care for him in the last weeks of his life and was forced to leave that to others in the prison. The coroner also found it most unfortunate that she was left wondering whether or not her brother was comfortable in his last days and weeks.

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Jun 20, 2008

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The South Australian republic of LNP clowndonia has decided to be completely loving stupid on electric vehicles:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-11/sa-to-introduce-electric-vehicle-user-charge/12869302

quote:

"Someone needs to pay for the road maintenance and upgrade, and it should be the people who are using the road," Mr Lucas argued.

OK so by that logic heavy vehicles should be paying between 1000 and 10,000 times what a standard car is paying. Funny how the 'user pays' argument isn't applicable when it is being used on someone you like/support/take donations from.

Electric vehicles are the future. Sensible government will be encouraging their use. Providing the infrastructure for them should be a priority and paid for by government (you know like the railways, roads and most public works). gently caress heads like Rob Lucas should be debagged, defenestrated and replaced.

KMCN was a passenger in an allegedly stolen car that crossed onto the wrong side of the road and crashed head-on with another vehicle following an 11-minute police chase in Orelia, southern Perth. Her four-year-old nephew was in the back of the car. Police were cleared of any role in her death, and her partner, who had been driving the car, was sentenced to seven and a half years' jail for dangerous driving causing her death and grievous bodily harm to another. The state coroner, Ros Fogliani, blamed her death on the driver's methamphetamine usage.

ISSUES RAISED
Injured in custody.

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Jun 20, 2008

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Electric Wrigglies posted:

Fuel excise pays a significant portion of road maintenance and does scale with vehicle mass and use Fuel excise collections will taper off as e-vehicles proliferate so it makes sense something has to change to include e-vehicles in the collections.
Everything you say here is wrong.

Fuel excise is collected by the Commonwealth and goes straight into general revenue. Any effect on road funding is entirely coincidental.

The scaling for vehicle mass (through fuel excise) is ~ 10 times which is at least one hundredth of the reality of the road wear profile.

Eventually green vehicles might be used as a revenue stream but until we reach zero emissions any disincentive on their use is muddle headed at best.

TMM had a lengthy history of mental illness and alcohol dependency. He died as a result of cutting himself with a prison-issued razor blade.TMM had been assessed as being at low risk of suicide on entry to the prison on 7 November 2014 and was not placed on any observations regime, even as his mental health deteriorated.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, injured in custody, mental health / cognitive impairment.

Cartoon fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Nov 12, 2020

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-16/robodebt-settlement-explained/12888178

So just how hard do you have to gently caress up to be held accountable in YOOL 2020? Pretty darn much apparently if 1.2 Billion isn't going to cut it.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-31/robodebt-refunds-top-220-million-centrelink/12512310

But it's only OK if nobody actually dies.

Apparently just over 50% of Australians are incompetent sociopaths because that's the only way this brand of muppets could possibly hope to win re-election, oh silly me they are only being opposed by this bunch of utter clowns.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/joel-fitzgibbon-quits-shadow-labor-cabinet/12866738

KB was detained under the Northern Territory Alcohol Mandatory Treatment Act and therefore not a death in custody but a death in care according to the definitions of the NT coronial process. We have however decided to include it as a death in custody because mandatory alcohol detention is triggered by three arrests for public intoxication, which are performed by police. KB experienced frequent seizures related to her alcoholism and also had a history of renal failure. She was placed on a three-month detention order in August 2014, 13 months after the act came into effect. Her death was attributed to chronic kidney failure compounded by both acute and chronic brain damage. In the two years between the act being introduced and the inquest, only eight of the more than 400 people mandatorily detained on alcohol treatment orders were non-Aboriginal.

ISSUES RAISED
Mental health / cognitive impairment.

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Jun 20, 2008

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It is starting to come out that one of the contributory factors to our SAS's poor behaviours was a wide spread belief that the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were themselves illegal. The attitude being if the people at the top are able to lie and break the rules then game on. It is very sobering to note that our leaders must take responsibility for putting our troops in harms way but seem unwilling to take responsibility for putting them in morally perilous positions. Count of moral accountability to date 0.00. Not holding my breath on this either.

RB died of heart failure while in his cell overnight on 25 October 2014. The coroner found that the cell alarm system had not been working properly the night RB called for assistance. Fellow inmates said they'd seen the alarm light, but the guards had not been alerted.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given.

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Jun 20, 2008

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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...traffic-cameras

Old news but I missed it when it was first reported. Actual proof of systemic racism. This is doubly tragic when you realise that an overwhelming number of the indigenous deaths in custody are as the result of incarceration due to traffic offences.

"The biggest disparity was in the issuing of infringements for not wearing a seatbelt, where Aboriginal drivers received 19.2 times the number of fines."

Ms Dhu died while “cutting out” unpaid fines after enduring what a coroner called “unprofessional” and “inhumane” treatment from some police officers at South Hedland police station. She had been told she was “faking it” and called a “loving junkie”. She was dropped on the cell floor when she could not stand up, dragged along the floor, and then carried, handcuffed and shackled, to a police van because she could not walk. Her death was attributed to septicemia caused by an infection in a rib broken by her violent partner some weeks before. Her family received a $1.1m ex-gratia payment and a formal apology from the Western Australia attorney general, and are still considering further legal action.

ISSUES RAISED
Medical care required but not all given, procedures not all followed, force used.

On remand for unpaid traffic fines.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/former-sas-liberal-mp-andrew-hastie-heard-rumours-wrongdoing/12915892

A sitting Federal LNP Member was the SAS commander of the ghani kiddie killers. No I wasn't actually shocked either.

LJR was found dead in his bunk in Victoria's Port Phillip prison on the morning of 10 July 2014. While he was a high-level drug user and there is no evidence to suggest the involvement of any other person in his death, the coroner could not determine that his death was due to natural causes because there was a series of shortcomings in monitoring and investigation. The coroner's inability to give a definite cause of death has caused a great deal of anguish to LJR's family.

ISSUES RAISED
Procedures not all followed, mental health / cognitive impairment.

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Jun 20, 2008

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Never Mind the Buttocks! We're the Greens Party!

DW died in a high-speed crash at the Stuart Highway in Darwin shortly after police abandoned a brief pursuit. He was drunk and had appeared in court six times for driving unlicenced. Police attempted to pull the car over after seeing it “wandering in its lane” and engaged in a short, high-speed chase before abandoning the pursuit because the car was approaching a busy intersection and not slowing down. CCTV recorded DW’s car as reaching speeds of 182km/h. DW’s family said police had breached their pursuit policy but the coroner said the breaches were technical, not substantive.

ISSUES RAISED
Procedures not all followed, injured in custody.

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Jun 20, 2008

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Ok here's another post nobody asked for:-

Defence crimes and the China kerfuffle.

It's right there in the name. Defence means you defend yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/15214375#:~:text=In%20October%202001%2C%20the%20USA,with%20it%2C%20including%20the%20UK. posted:

Why was there a war?
During the time that the Taliban controlled Afghanistan, they allowed an organisation called al-Qaeda to have training camps there.

In September 2001, nearly 3,000 people were killed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The United States believed that Osama Bin Laden - who was the head of al-Qaeda - was the man behind these attacks.

There was a lot of international pressure on the Afghan leaders to hand over Osama Bin Laden. When the Taliban didn't do this, the United States decided they would use their armed forces.

In October 2001, the USA began bombing Afghanistan. They targeted bin Laden's al-Qaeda fighters and also the Taliban.

Is a good a summary as any as to why we were there in the first place. It is important to note that there as no UN resolution regarding this action by the US in Afghanistan and legitimising this action. Resolution 1386 came 2 months later and in no way legitimises the previous US action. The US Action was completely supported by ADF (operationally) from the very first bombing.

Personally I would have loved to have heard the ADF command trying to explain the war to ADF personnel as early as 2003. By then it was pretty clear that the actual terrorists were Saudi nationals and funded by Saudi Arabia, the squabble in Afghanistan served no worthwhile purpose and Bin Laden was in all likelihood not in the country. This is where the 'moral' problem for this war really looms large over the battle field. It is an unlawful unilateral action against a non-belligerent power and Australia has no end game. Our leaders in Canberra are lying sacks of poo poo who are clearly lying about our role and actions in Afghanistan. Come 2003 and the start of the second (Gods help us) illegal incursion, this time into Iraq, there is every reason as an ADF member to doubt that there are any truthful, non-shitheads at any level in the ranks of Defence shot callers. This war was popularly opposed by the largest protest in global history and was clearly founded on a pack of lies.

None the less our LNP and ALP governments saw fit to continue to deploy troops and resources to both conflicts despite the above. A loving decade in and Bin Laden is found and killed (in another country). Any talk of removing our troops who would quite rightly been wondering what the gently caress they were doing in Urazgan in the first place? Nope. We instead got 'poo poo happens' from our TA in Chief NTATA. The bellicose stance by all our political 'leaders' was so totally entrenched by this point that it took a full five years for the majority of our forces to be returned and all remaining activities returned to 'advisory roles'. 10 billion dollars well spent.

Either our leaders are so completely deluded about what war is that they are unfit to lead or they fully knew that sending troops to battle was going to be a massive, messy, bloody, damaging and irreparable matter. Each day an ADF member is put in harms way erodes their mental health, and each time they are personally the delivery system for lethal force it chips away at their humanity (unless they are a psychopath). Top that off with this conflict (and Iraq) being disgusting national moral boosting exercises from their inception and it is little wonder some of our defence personal acted badly. They themselves were being treated like animals. To see Morrison et al warble on like they were in no way responsible is sickening. The whole mess is their fault and was ultimate their decision and their responsibility. As a sidebar if the people responsible for sending our troops and continuing their deployment were unaware of the history of war in Afghanistan or the more recent events of the Australian involvement in Vietnam then that ignorance is their only defence. This whole mess was completely foreseeable. Large numbers of people foresaw it and shouted as loudly as they could BEFORE this poo poo went down. That means that our leaders have to also accept the uncomfortable reality that all this is their fault. That is at the heart of the matter.

Let's stop and look at things from an Afghani villager's point of view (If you can find one still alive). In 1978 the country was a 'republic' that was reasonably well developed and had a 'contemporary' urban culture and was largely safe and at peace. Since then the place has been turned in to a primitive backwater by the Russians and the US, with the US at first providing weapons and training for the Islamist extremists and, once the Russians were defeated, making war against them. Anyone who wears a US (or associated forces) uniform is not your friend and is certainly not in possession of the moral high ground.

Enter China. There was, perhaps, a time when Australia could claim some moral high ground and draw attention to other nation's governments about things like Tibet (et al). By 2003 we had pretty much extinguished any right to claim a moral position and were as deeply complicit in international crimes as any foreign despot. Maybe the numbers weren't as impressive but we are talking about matters of principle. The numbers ultimately don't count. Tampa, children overboard, Afghanistan, Iraq. The first two decades of this millennium Australia has basically sprayed itself with warm poo. On top of this we have played a ridiculous game of diplomatic (and indeed military) chicken with our major trading partner. And not even a smart one. It has been sound byte after sound byte serving no other purpose than domestic political advantage. We have been comprehensively out played in the Pacific and in most of South East Asia despite going into the millennium with a very strong hand. It has been a disaster. A complete and utter, foreseeable disaster.

When the Chinese can make us angry by telling the truth (or a very close facsimile) about our role as international war criminals then I personally would be going for a long hard stand in the room of mirrors rather than getting all shouty and trying to wait for it to all blow over. It won't. The damage is done.

But wait what about our moral high ground and strong democratic principles? Let me introduce Tudge and Co.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/01/communications-minister-paul-fletcher-complains-to-abc-about-four-corners-program

quote:

Communications minister Paul Fletcher complains to ABC about Four Corners program

Minister asks Ita Buttrose why an episode which alleged inappropriate conduct by two ministers was considered newsworthy Amanda Meade Tue 1 Dec 2020 12.57 AEDTLast modified on Tue 1 Dec 2020 13.07 AEDT

The minister for communications Paul Fletcher has asked ABC chair Ita Buttrose if the Four Corners program which alleged inappropriate conduct by two ministers met the standards of accurate and impartial journalism. In a lengthy letter Fletcher posed 15 detailed questions and asked the board to explain why a “consensual relationship” between a politician and a staff member which took place before the so-called bonk ban was imposed in 2018 was considered newsworthy in the Four Corners program Inside the Canberra Bubble. In 2018 the then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull made sexual relationships between ministers and their staff a breach of the ministerial code. Fletcher made the letter public by posting it on Twitter, but avoided receiving responses by disabling replies to the tweet.

Referring to the ABC’s editorial policies, Fletcher asked why the personal lives of politicians are newsworthy and if it was justified to breach the privacy of the attorney general Christian Porter and frontbencher Alan Tudge. “Why does the board consider it is appropriate that the privacy of the Attorney General and Minister Tudge (the Ministers) should be compromised by the way in which the program deals extensively with aspects of their personal lives?” Fletcher wrote. “How is this consistent with the stated importance of respect for privacy in the code of practice, including whether intrusion into private lives was proportionate in the circumstances?”

The ABC had been under attack from the government over Inside the Canberra Bubble even before it aired in early October. The executive producer of Four Corners, Sally Neighbour, said “extreme and unrelenting” political pressure had been applied before the screening, and reporter Louise Milligan said pressure had been “applied by multiple representatives of government to ABC management”. Three weeks after the program aired the government has come back with a comprehensive attack, aiming the criticism at the board because managing director David Anderson told Senate estimates the program had been viewed by Buttrose.

Fletcher repeated an earlier criticism that the program investigated only one political party. “Why should an objective observer not conclude that the program evidenced clear bias against the Liberal party, with this bias evident in the choice of persons interviewed, the making of specific allegations in the face of clear factual denials, and the fact that the program failed to investigate or report on conduct engaged in by Labor, Greens or independent politicians?” he asked.

The program revealed that Turnbull confronted Porter in 2017 over allegations of inappropriate conduct with a young woman in a bar and warned him “the risk of compromise is very real”. The then prime minister went on to appoint Porter his attorney general a fortnight later. Porter has said the “depiction of interactions in the bar are categorically rejected”. Fletcher also asked why Porter’s antics while at university were relevant to the program or in the public interest. “How is it consistent with the code of practice’s reference to fair treatment and impartiality for the ABC to include in the program extensive materials regarding conduct over a quarter of a century ago by someone who was then a university student and even a school student?” he said. Fletcher said the woman referred to by Four Corners as being in the bar with the attorney general had “directly rebutted the allegation to Four Corners yet the program failed to report that”.

The program also detailed allegations by a female staffer who said she had an affair in 2017 with the then-human services minister Tudge. Fletcher has given the ABC board 14 days to respond.

The ABC has been approached for comment.

If this was reported as overreach by the Head of North Korea's government you might not be shocked. And yet here we are. No accountability, no truth to power and I see Gladys Berejiklian is still somehow NSW premier despite every week bring up a new career ending scandal that she somehow weathers. WTF Australia? Why did I ever think we were better than this?

MRB was sentenced to life imprisonment in 2005. In 2011 he was diagnosed cholangiocarcinoma, a form of liver cancer affecting the bile ducts. It was inoperable and is usually associated with a life expectancy of 12 months. He received palliative care for three years before dying in the palliative care unit of Townsville hospital on 25 February 2014 (Aged 57). The coroner found his healthcare was as good as it would have been outside of prison.

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Jun 20, 2008

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Electric Wrigglies posted:

There are a number of events which are likely to support a military conviction. There are also other allegations which are not supported to a standard likely to result in a conviction or are provably untrue. The 14 year old boys one was in the second group.

As a result on its own investigation, the ADF disbanded 2SQN, recommended the stripping of the unit meritorious service medals for several years (looking like being overruled by the political leadership of Australia) and pursuit of military justice of a number personnel as well as show cause notices going out to those that likely would not be able to be convicted but were otherwise likely to have been involved or negligent in their leadership.

The ADF is like any defense force and is to be distrusted as a matter of course and it is possible or maybe even likely that that there are other and even worse events that have not been reported. However, it looks like the ADF has (belatedly) gone in fairly strongly on this. It is only a short time ago the SAS were treated by the Australian public similar to how Americans glorify and undulate their armed forces. The media and ADF leadership coming out and outing the SAS as the shameful dogs that they are is probably beyond what most military organisations around the world would ever expect.
Do you have access to the unredacted report?

KJT was born on Napperby station. In August 2013 he was sentenced to nine months' jail for driving while disqualified and breaching a suspended sentence. He was a very sick man and had end-stage kidney disease, type 2 diabetes, ischaemic heart disease and an umbilical hernia that was causing him significant pain and distress. He attended dialysis four times a week. On 8 February 2014 he had emergency surgery to remove the hernia and had multiple heart attacks shortly after. His family was distressed that they were not informed of the surgery and were surprised by his death.

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