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Between the ATGMs and the undetectable drones it sure is a lovely time period to be sitting in a tank or APC.
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It's pretty wild that war is now fought with the sky blotted out by various surveillance and missile drones. Between that and the ATGMs it looks like a total nightmare to advance a few hundred feet forward. Looks like we are going back to WW1 trench warfare. Except the trenches all need to be covered or underground tunnels.
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uncop posted:ATGMs? Think just basic artillery and a bit of high-speed number-crunching. Yeah but you can't move artillery with two dudes and a donkey and get off multiple shots from different positions that wipe out fortified positions and armor from 8 kilometers away without ever being detected. As we are seeing in this thread, if the drones find your artillery then your artillery is all dead. Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 17:49 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 17:43
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I think the best counter to cheap drones is just a computerized autocannon like Phalanx CIWS. But those aren't super cheap and only effective out to a mile or so, you will need SAM systems protecting them from longer range weapons. There are lots of problems. You can also jam the gently caress out of every frequency to disable control, I think the US military has had some success with that. Maybe EMPs will start becoming a real thing. Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 22:56 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 22:51
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You don't have to travel far to see that, just head down to the Dominican Republic or Costa Rica where every shop has to pay an armed guard to sit out front all day and night with a shotgun or rifle. It's very common to see AKs and Mossbergs just leaning up against walls as you walk through town.
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Oct 3, 2020 01:54
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aphid_licker posted:They started doing that about 30 seconds after the first dude dropped the first rock off a plane back in WW1 This won't work against the thermal cameras and targeting systems of missiles. Maybe if the decoys were steel and you heat them up. And that fake Sherman is from WW2, there were never used in WW1 aside from training. sum posted:For all their flashy drone vids it seems like Azerbaijan has made only extremely limited advances on the ground, like sub-Verdun levels. Assuming they're using a conventional strategy it seems likely that they've already expended a lot of their offensive power and gotten next to nothing in return. Wars are almost always declared with an expectation of a quick victory, so the fact things are already stalled it would seem to me that the Azeris are likely to cut their losses soon. lol what? They have destroyed so many tanks and air defense systems and are now bombing cities so it logically it follows they will soon cut their losses? 
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Oct 4, 2020 08:17
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Where are the numbers on how many drones have been shot down and how many they have?
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Oct 4, 2020 08:31
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Oct 4, 2020 20:46
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Both sides seem to be going hard on propaganda and wishful thinking. Are there any independent journalists who made it into the area worth following on twitter? All I can find are cheerleaders for one side or the other.
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Oct 5, 2020 00:32
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They are supposedly shooting BM30 Smerch volleys now if you want to see what 250kg HE warheads in addition to cluster bombs going off in cities looks like  https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1312914743854804993
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Oct 5, 2020 01:44
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Yeah we all know how this conflict ends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z77JFw2D6f8
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Oct 14, 2020 02:19
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Nobody seems able to advance more than a few hundred feet without exploding. It looks like an entrenched stalemate where everyone is just digging in deeper and coming up with new ways to hide assets. But the info from this corner of the world is so terrible it's hard to say, if you just follow a bunch of people on twitter who live in the area it's a mess of cheerleading and pure bullshit.
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Oct 15, 2020 13:54
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Looks like an apartment building got hit by a missile in Ganja https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1317231454284357632?s=20
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Oct 17, 2020 00:24
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An Armenian Su-25 was just shot down and there are reports of heavy shelling near Fizuli and Hadrut. And if this is true (huge grain of salt) Armenia just lost a good chunk of it's long range air defense https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1317384625702928385 Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 10:40 on Oct 17, 2020 |
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Oct 17, 2020 09:35
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Don't watch this one if you don't want to see body parts flying everywhere  https://twitter.com/CeyhunAsirov/status/1317396627242553344 It's just a massacre of infantry, I guess the ceasefire is off.
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Oct 17, 2020 10:41
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HAMAS HATE BOAT posted:if it's just a one-off, one plausible scenario is that Azerbaijan has air defenses as well, and a damaged ballistic missile still has to fall someplace. the Ganja airport/base is on the far side of the city relative to NK, so if some form of air defense damaged a missile's guidance or propulsion, the warhead could crash down short of the intended target and hit within the town. this is obviously not something the AZ or anyone else in that situation would ever admit to. So the Azerbaijanis are accidentally shooting AA at their own missiles which then fall on their biggest cities and also American air defense is completely worthless, got it, thanks for the update. 
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Oct 17, 2020 18:10
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I'm fairly confident nobody plans on losing 40% of their tanks in two days. If you're comparing Armenia's situation to Israel in Yom Kippur where they came quite close to getting overrun and spreading 13 nukes around the middle east then that's about as negative an analogy as you could imagine.
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Oct 24, 2020 04:03
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Yeah I guess the only more apocalyptic tank battle in history would have been Kursk, if you're trying to go even more negative.
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Oct 24, 2020 04:46
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I always thought it would be pretty easy to laser or microwave a satellite into a useless pile of junk. Especially a huge one like the ISS or Hubble. It's probably harder to make radar sensitive enough to track these tiny stealthy drones.
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Oct 26, 2020 23:08
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Yeah it wouldn't even take much energy or a particularly sophisticated computer to just melt a big unmaneuverable LEO satellite, they aren't really designed to dissipate energy into a vacuum very well. Totally different problem than a ballistic missile.
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Azerbaijan held a very rude military parade where they showed off captured equipment, this blogger goes through the war and dives into a bit of the history and expectations around it: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/01/aftermath-lessons-of-nagorno-karabakh.html Pryor on Fire has issued a correction as of 13:17 on Jan 27, 2021 |
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