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Xun
Apr 25, 2010



I'm just getting started and Idk whats going on TL;DR
  1. ROLL ON NEWBIE BANNER. Do NOT spend primos until you know what you're doing. More info later in the OP
  2. FEED YOUR STATUES OCULI (the weird pickups), this increases your stamina which makes gameplay much smoother! Also, go into the blessing dialog option and turn on auto-heal when nearby and set it to 100%
  3. If you don't mind getting spoiled, you can use the official interactive map to keep track of pickups like oculi or world challenges here
  4. Stay out of Dragonspine (the big snowy mountain) until you know what you're doing, you should be good after the Liyue story
  5. Don't sleep on character story quests even if you don't care for the character in question. These are often prerequisites for events and the skip mechanics are...questionable. Note that character story quests are distinct from character hangouts, which don't lock out anything.
  6. Unfortunately the vast, vast majority of Genshin content on the internet is complete useless garbage ranging from useless at best and outright false clickbait at worst. If you don't know something feel free to ask!
  7. It is basically impossible to mess up the early game, don't sweat it too much! Just keep your favorite character, their weapon, and their artifacts leveled
  8. Join the discord! It's active I promise! https://discord.gg/Dxbk6ZTB2X

What is Genshin Impact?
https://genshin.mihoyo.com/en
Genshin Impact is a free to play open world exploration game with gacha mechanics. It’s currently available on mobile, PC, and PS4/5. The exploration gameplay is simple yet surprisingly engaging and combat consists of swapping between characters to pull off combos. This game has a star studded VA team in multiple languages, top notch worldbuilding, fun character writing, and a pretty decent story to boot. The story is not winning any literary prizes, but it's fun and dumb and has anime af fights.

Singleplayer? Multiplayer? MMO?!
This is primarily a single player game. Multiplayer exists but it is limited to primarily instanced dungeons or bosses.

Should I whale? Do I need to?
Genshin Impact is often described as two games. One game is an expansive open world exploration live service rpg with a gigantic regularly expanding map, quests, dungeons, and events. The second game is the Spiral Abyss, a single difficult endgame dungeon with tight dps requirements.

For the "first game", you absolutely do not need to spend any money at all to have a good time. This is not like other gacha games where that statement is technically true but realistically time consuming and annoying. On top of that, it's possible to work your way up to a reasonably diverse character roster over time using only currency you acquire ingame. You can expect to get an average of 55 free rolls per 6 week patch cycle if you do all the dailies/events/etc, not including currency from exploration or quests.

For the "second game", this becomes blurrier. It is possible and actually very common for fully f2p accounts to completely clear the spiral abyss, the issue is that many of these accounts are old and have had a long time to stock up on characters and gear. Spending money does speed up how long it'll take for an account to reach the point of fully clearing the dungeon, but that doesn't mean you can just buy your way into it either. Leveling, gearing, and straight up learning how to build teams and play them needs time, whether you've spent 0$ or 10000$. For whatever it's worth, the rewards from this dungeon is 11 rolls per 6 week patch cycle. Make of that what you will.

One thing to keep in mind, if you have your heart set on a specific character expect to plan in advance. This game has several bad luck protection systems that makes getting a specific character determinate with preparation. This game heavily punishes impatience and FOMO, so if you feel that you may be susceptible it might be better to stay away. Check the second post for more details on how to plan.

What should I play it on?
PC and mobile accounts are natively cross-compatible, and PSN accounts can now be linked with some finagling. Instructions are here. There are still rumors of a Switch port, but nothing concrete has been announced yet

How to play with goons
Goon discord is here! https://discord.gg/Dxbk6ZTB2X

:siren: Link your account to your phone number :siren:
This is for security reasons, especially since there was an exploit that allows people to change your account email with no warning. You can do this by logging into the main website and going to account settings https://genshin.mihoyo.com/en/home



How to build a Character
There are four main areas for improving your character


Character levels - Pretty straight forward, level up your character using xp books! Kills give you a miniscule amount of xp, so don't bother relying on it for levels

Ascension level - This determines the max level of the character. Unlocking each ascension additionally adds some bonus stats and at ascension 4 you unlock the bonus talent. This is why you sometimes see people talk about characters being 60/60 or 60/70, there is a small difference! Also, you get a free roll every odd ascension, don't forget to pick that up.

At the early levels, feel free to try out different characters and don't stress too much about possibly bricking your account. Later on, getting a character to 60/70 is extremely trivial, so if you want a safe stopping point that's a good one!


Weapon levels - Level up your weapons using other weapons and magic crystals obtained from mining/forging and events. Each weapon has a bonus stat associated with it which will also increase as you level the weapon.

Weapon ascension - Like character ascensions, this determines the max level of your weapon. Increasing the ascension level also gives a fairly sizeable boost to the bonus stat.

Similar to character levels, getting a weapon up to 60/70 is pretty easy in the late game.


The talent screen isn’t just for telling you what a character's skills do, it’s also where you level them up! The max talent level goes up as you ascend the character and they are for improving the raw numbers of your skills and autoattack. If you're not sure what a character is good at or what talent to level up first, there is now a talent reference button in the talent level up screen that shows a recommended leveling order. These recommendations are crowdsourced and generally seem decent. This can give you an idea of which skill to prioritize and what other players think this character is good for.

A safe stopping point is around talent level 5 or 6. Since the recommendations are not always optimal, if you're taking talents past these levels it's probably a good idea to reference the character builds spreadsheet later in the OP.


This is the meat of your character building. Equip them and level them up, they are basically your gear. A level 70 character with good artifacts will outperform an 80 with bad ones every time. Artifacts have a mainstat that increases every level and substats which will upgrade randomly every 4 levels. If your artifact does not have the maximum number of substats for it's tier, a new one will be added instead.

You might see lots of guides and posts online recommending very specific artifact sets with specific stat spreads. These are typically aimed at endgame content and are considered aspirational goals even then. You will go crazy if you try to follow these guides early game, many of the artifact sets aren't even available until way later!

Instead, at lower levels (<AR35) you just want to focus on getting some artifacts with decent mainstats and leveling those. If possible, Atk% is a safe bet for just about every slot unless the character is an exception that scales off different stats (eg. Noelle and Barbara). Keep in mind flowers will always roll flat HP and feathers will always roll flat attack. Set bonuses will be a nice well, bonus until you can reliably start farming 5* artifacts. Don't worry about upgrading low level artifacts! You recover about 80% of the xp when you feed a leveled artifact to another one. Statistically it's even a little more due to the random bonuses.


This is the bread and butter of the combat system in Genshin. Reactions are what really boost your teams damage and the optimizations can go deep at the high end. Before that, it's good to have a general idea of what reactions do and which ones are useful. The reactions can be roughly split into four categories: single target, aoe, utility, and support.

Single target:
Not much to say here, these do big numbers nice and simple. While these reactions do single target damage, the vast majority of elemental applications are aoe so you will not be stuck trying to apply them individually.
: Melt
: Vaporize

AOE:
These reactions do big numbers, and will also do some damage to nearby enemies even if they don't necessarily have the right elements on them.
: Overload, deals pyro damage to nearby enemies and knocks them back with an explosion
: Electrocharged, deals electro damage over time and interrupts the target. This will spread to nearby wet targets

Utility:
These won't do as much damage as the single target or AOE reactions, but they're still handy in certain situations.
: Freeze, freezes the targets in place! There's a special reaction called shatter which is caused by hitting a frozen enemy with a heavy physical or geo attack. It's not great and usually considered a bit of bonus damage
: Superconduct, deal some cryo damage to nearby enemies and more importantly debuffs their physical resistance by 40%! It's critical for physical teams, but maybe not so useful for reaction based ones.

Support:
There are two special reactions with geo and anemo. These two elements react with everything except each other.
: Swirl, spreads any elements on a target to it's neighbors and these can all cause more reactions. Think of swirl like an amplifier, it's amazing when you have lot's of elements already on enemies and can create a beautiful clusterfuck of reactions. By itself....it is not great.

: Crystallize, removes an element from a target and turns it into a little crystal that shields you when you pick it up. This is like a dampener, you are trading potential damage for more defense.

Dendro:
The new kid on the block and currently not much is known about how exactly these reactions will fit into gameplay. This segment will be kept updated as new information comes to light. Here is what we do know

: Burning, this is already in game and currently applies a DoT

: Bloom, this drops a seed on the ground which will explode after a short time. You will be able to apply pyro (Burgeon), or electro (Hyperbloom) to these seeds.
    : Burgeon, the seed will make a bigger explosion and deal AoE dendro damage
    : Hyperbloom, the seed will shoot out a homing projectile which will deal single target dendro damage
: Quicken, debuffs the enemy and primes them for two more reactions caused by electro (Aggravate) or more dendro (Spread). These reactions will do flat bonus damage of their respective types.

Dendro does not react with cryo, geo, or anemo.


There are 3 main roles in a team, the carry, supports, and healers. Some characters are better suited for one role over another, but many characters can fulfill multiple roles depending on their gear.

Carry - This is the character that you will be actually attacking with on the field. Pick a character you like to play!

Support - This is a character that you swap into to use their skill or burst and then swap away from. They are for setting up elemental reactions by applying elemental statuses or for some special character mechanic (buffs, debuffs, etc).

A special type of support is the battery. They are the same element as your carry and generate lots of elemental particles (the little orbs flying at you in combat) to charge up your carry's burst. If possible, swap to your carry right after using the battery's skill so the carry picks up the generated orbs for even more energy.

Healer - They heal! Keeps your party healthy with their skill or burst. Can also be replaced by plates of pigeons chicken.

A fast way to build teams is to first pick out your favorite character(s), pick compatible reactions, and choose teammates based on which reactions you want.

When starting out, you want to invest into a carry character. They want the highest levels, best artifacts, best weapons, etc. Support and healer characters do not need as much investment and can easily lag behind by multiple ascensions.

If you want to try out the Spiral Abyss, consider building up another carry for taking on the higher floors. You will eventually need two teams even in the tutorial levels (floors 5-8).

As of writing this, most tierlists have been written back when the game just came out and are garbage. They were made in a rush and plenty of good characters were rated "D tier" for basically no reason other than to get clicks. Make a team based on your playstyle and preferences and don't let reddit get you down. We're happy to help suggest teams and character builds, but you need to tell us which characters you're using, constellations, and your world level so we know what you're working with. Advice for someone just starting out can be really different for someone near endgame!


Yep, this game has a stamina system and it’s called resin. You unlock it at Adventurer rank (AR) 8 and it is used to acquire most progression materials. Eventually, you'll unlock a recipe which will allow you to bank 200 resin at a time. If you want to play ~optimally~ you want to always use resin if you have it, but this is hardly required for enjoying the game if you're not rushing for the Spiral Abyss.

When you do feel like spending resin, here are some useful breakpoints

AR 8 - Blue leylines aka xp book leylines unlocked

AR 12 - Yellow leylines aka gold leylines unlocked. If you don’t know what to spend your resin on, you can’t go wrong with these at any AR.

AR 16 - Weapon Ascension materials dungeons unlocked.

AR 22 - Artifact dungeons unlocked, they will primarily drop 2*/3*. Not worth farming unless you’re really hard up for artifacts.

AR 27 - Talent level up materials dungeons unlocked.

AR 35 - A lot of unique artifact set dungeons unlocked. You will probably be getting 3* drops with the occasional 4*. You can start farming here but the value still isn’t great.

AR 40 - This is when 4* artifacts become more common and you start getting 5* in dungeons. I started seriously farming artifacts here.

AR 45 - This is when 5* artifacts become more common.

Xun fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 17, 2022

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Xun
Apr 25, 2010


So you've played a bit of the game and reached Adventurer Rank 7, at this point the game will just drop a ton of gacha nonsense on you. If you have no idea wtf is happening, read on!

What is a gacha?
In short, gacha is basically equivalent to lootboxes. Use currency to roll the dice and you have a low chance of getting something shiny but you will mostly get junk. Yep, it's gambling! Gacha games are a common mobile genre. You might recognize games such as Fate Grand Order, Summoners War, Dragalia Lost, Marvel Battle Lines, etc. as examples of this genre.

Know what you're getting into and set a budget if you want to spend. One trick I use is to stay far away from places where people post their rolls, I know it's fun to do so but it's effectively the flashing lights on a slot machine and will fool you into thinking the chances are higher than they are.

Banners
Banners are how you get more characters and non craftable 4*/5* weapons. Do you need to roll on them? Again, the hardest content in the game has been cleared with free characters and events give out a free character every other patch. That being said, this is a character collector game and realistically most people will probably want to roll on the banners, even if it's just with free currency. The banners are roughly grouped as shown below.


:siren: THE BASE RATE FOR A 5* CHARACTER IS 0.6%. I REPEAT THE BASE RATE FOR A 5* CHARACTER IS 0.6% :siren: Keep this in mind if you’re planning to open your wallet! Girdle the loins!!

Bad Luck Protection
Luckily Genshin Impact has two independent bad luck protection systems and understanding them is critical for long term planning.
  • Hard and Soft Pity - Every banner group has a specific hard pity count. You are guaranteed a 5* character or weapon once you have made that many rolls on a banner. However, the rate of getting a 5* ramps up significantly when you reach the soft pity point and it is actually unheard of to reach hard pity. This counter resets when you get a 5*, whether it's been 1 roll or 79 after your previous one.
  • 50/50 - AKA winning or losing the coinflip. When you do get a 5*, there is a 50% chance of it being the banner 5*. If get an off banner 5* instead, your next 5* is now guaranteed to be an on banner 5*. If you get an on banner 5*, whether from the guarantee or good luck, your odds on the next 5* are 50/50.
The bad luck protection systems are independent between the banner groups as shown above, but not within them. When you get your 50/50 guarantee on the character banner, that guarantee can apply to the current character banner, next banner, or even 10 banners later as long as you don't use it. However, your character guarantee does not affect weapons at all. A quick way to check your progress towards a guarantee is using the roll history.

These bad luck protection systems are also in place for 4*s with a hard pity at 10 rolls for all banners. However, there is no way to guarantee a specific on banner 4*.

Novice Banner
This is a special novice banner that every account can do two 10 rolls on for a discounted rate. ROLL ON THIS BANNER. This is your early game source of characters. It’s also just straight up cheaper than the normal banners and uses the same rolls as the standard banner, there is no reason not to use your early game currency on this banner.

Character Banner
A set of time limited banners that prominently features one 5* and three 4* rate up characters. You cannot roll 5* weapons on this banner but you can get 4* weapons. This is the equivalent to event banners in other gacha games. If you're not sure if you're looking at a character banner, look for a countdown on it. Soft pity starts at 74 with hard pity at 90.

Weapon Banner
A time limited banner that prominently features two 5* and four 4* weapons. You cannot roll 5* characters on this banner but you can get 4* characters. The 50/50 resets when you get either of the banner weapons. This banner also has it's own, third bad luck protection system called the "Epitomized Path". You can select one of the 5* weapons to "aim" for and you are guaranteed to get it in at most 3 5* rolls, or in an average of 210 rolls. This will reset between banners. Yeah. Needless to say it only applies to whales. The weapon banner is risky for newbies and it is recommended you don't roll on it until you hit endgame and have an idea of what might be useful for your teams. Soft pity starts at 63 with hard pity at 80.

Standard Banner
This banner is always available and is labeled “Wanderlust Invocation”. It has no rate ups and contains both 4*/5* weapons and characters, basically a random grab bag. Currently it seems that 5*s on the character banner are not added to this, but it is common for them to be added later in gacha games. If you absolutely MUST have a specific character and they are not on the character banner, just....try to wait it out. Standard banner rates suck and you could be out literally thousands of dollars and still not get whichever anime waifu you’re chasing. Soft pity starts at 74 with hard pity at 90.

10 roll? 1 roll?
Due to the bad luck protection system it ends up being the same either way. Some people like saving up and doing big rolls at once, some people roll one at a time when they get the primos for it. Some do a combination and do 10 rolls till they're at soft pity and then single rolls after so they don't "waste" rolls after they get a 5*. Do whatever!

Wtf is with all these currencies?
How do you roll on these banners? Well there is some sort of Chinese gambling law that requires currencies to be obtuse and confusing, so here's a general breakdown

Genesis Crystals - You buy these with real money. You can technically spend these on supply bundles in the cash shop but those are TERRIBLE value and I'm pretty sure the bundles only exist to avoid gambling laws. You can also use them to buy cosmetics. The main purpose of genesis crystals is to exchange them 1:1 fooorr

Primogems - The actual premium currency in this game. You can get them by exchanging genesis crystals, buying the monthly gem pass (Welkin Moon), doing daily commissions, quests, spiral abyss, events, open world stuff, etc. For straight dollar:gem value the Welkin Moon beats out the genesis crystal packs if you're willing to log in every day. You can spend primogems on resin recharges, battle pass levels, and most importantly, rolling on the banners!

Intertwined Fate - Costs 160 primogems. These can be used on the character and weapon banners, spend primos on these!

Acquaint Fate - Costs 160 primogems. The game also gives a few out for free. These can only be used on the standard and novice banners, so don't feel obligated to save them up. Do not spend primos on these!

You can buy fates directly on the banner page so you don’t need to keep track of exactly which is which or worry about accidentally buying the wrong ones. There are also two bonus currencies that you can only get from rolling on banners which are spent at the Paimons Bargains tab in the shop.

Stardust - you get 15 stardust for every 3* weapon that you roll. You can trade these in for a rotating selection of materials, but the best use is to buy out as many of the intertwined fates as you can. You can buy 5 intertwined and 5 acquaint fates with stardust per month. The stock refreshes the first day of each month.

Starglitter - you get these when you roll 4*/5* weapons and duplicate 4*/5* characters. For weapons and non maxed out characters, you get 2 or 5 depending on the rarity. For maxed out characters, this goes up to 5/25. There's a few more options for spending these, you can use them to directly buy a 4* character or weapon from the shop. Every month rotates two 4* characters and a set of 4* weapons. You can also spend the starglitter on fates with no monthly limit.

The general rule of thumb is if you're starting out, buying characters is the way to go. ESPECIALLY for getting your hands on Bennet, Xingqiu, and Xiangling. Since the rotation is limited to the starter 4*s, you will eventually reach a point where you don't need more copies. Then, it is better to spend the glitter on intertwined fates unless you neeeeed to collect all the constellations. The weapons are....fine. They are not really BiS for anyone, but they aren't terrible either. I wouldn't recommend buying them.

TL;DR
  • Don’t buy the supply packs with genesis crystals
  • Don't spend primos on the blue fates
  • Do spend primos on purple fates
  • If you must spend money, the Welkin Moon monthly gems is by far the best value for your buck


I hate my account

Ashenai posted:

By the way, probably nobody cares, but just for the record: it is no longer practical to reroll, because the AR 7 rewards are gone. So you only get the 10 newbie rolls.
Here’s a reroll guide anyway just in case idk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYVj8Otsic

Co-op and you
Co-op in this game may seem somewhat obtuse. While domains (and some events) have an automatic matchmaker, that is not the only content in this game that you can co-op. Anything that requires resin can be done co-op, everyone can spend resin at the end and the rewards are instanced. Boss kicking your rear end? Team up and wreck it! Can't get that leyline weekly in time? Team up with some people so all of you can get a bunch in one day without needing to spend resin! Want to do the highest level of an event thing but it's just too much of a PITA? Find some goons!! We have a discord with a bunch of people in it, feel free to come by and say something.

Some things to keep in mind:
  • Make sure everyone is ready to spend their resin before looting the thing, it seems like the flowers have a pretty short despawn timer and it may result in people missing out.
  • Ask before grabbing local specialties and fish (yes there is fishing), they are not instanced loot
  • If you get kicked for what appears to be no reason, don't be offended! There is literally no way to end a session without kicking everyone first.

General Build Information
Character Builds Spreadsheet - A spreadsheet maintained by the theorycrafting community with recommended artifact and weapon loadouts for characters, this will be the most up to date and typically updates a few days after a new character's release.

Keqing Mains Website - Gives detailed rundowns on specific characters and their playstyles, along with some basic team suggestions. This is updated much more slowly and some builds may not have the newest weapons or artifact sets. However, the guides tend to be pretty good for explaining how to actually use a character.

Teambuilding - Spiralabyss shows self reported teams that have cleared the endgame dungeon. It won't cover all possible viable teams, but any teams that do show up are pretty much guaranteed to be able to do good DPS.

Araganzar posted:

My recommendation is get on https://spiralabyss.org/. Go to where you can build your own team and put in a couple of your best characters. Begin eliminating characters you don't have and look at the teams it builds.

Here is what I get when I put in Eula and XQ and take out a few of the people you mentioned for floor 11:


This list is very reductive and you'll have to really pare it down by forcing certain characters an removing others but it 100% will give you a team that can pass whatever DPS check you need.

And feel free to ask in the thread or discord for teambuilding advice! People are more than happy to help out.

Player housing!

There is player housing and it's pretty decent, chop wood in the overworld, unlock recipes, and craft furniture. Do not ignore the teapot! Once you upgrade it the teapot shop will sell a fragile resin that decays in a week, artifact xp, xp books, and some other stuff for teapot currency each week. It's real good even if you don't care for decorating! Just plop down items wherever, the teapot doesn't care.

Some things to know
  • Teapot level unlocks more building space and things at the shop, this is upgraded by crafting lots of different furniture for trust. Adeptal energy level increases how much currency you gain over time, this is increased by the comfort score of the furniture you place. Load is an invisible counter on each piece of furniture that limits how much stuff you can put down in one area.
  • Basic teapot strategy:
    • Buy out the daily adeptal speed potions until your adeptal energy level is almost maxed (between 15k-20k)
    • Prioritize buying high rarity blueprints from the shop
    • If you don't have any new furniture to craft, spam furniture with a high ratio of comfort/load. Common options are Pine Folding Screen (indoors) and Carved Courtyard Fence (outdoors)
  • Putting down a teleporter will allow you to directly access your teapot from the map.
  • You will eventually unlock multiple layouts. Teapot and adeptal energy levels are based on the layout with the highest rating, not your current active one. You can hide your ugly mining rigs in a completely separate layout and still get all the benefits!
  • It is possible for friends to join your teapot while you're offline. This setting is found in the top right corner of your teapot map where it (probably) says no guests currently, set it to allow direct join. Friends can help speed up your furniture crafting, feel free to ask in the discord if you want a boost!
  • If you really want to get into decorating there are a lot of glitches for floating/sinking/clipping items. They're pretty annoying but there's a lot of guides out there. The simplest and most useful trick imo is clipping items by picking up an object and shaking it really fast between an area where it can be placed in and an area where it can't. Eventually the game just gives up and the hitbox will stay a solid blue and allow you to place it wherever!

Parametric Transformer
The often forgotten but still pretty handy junk eater. Throw in your extra junk once a week and get some random useful upgrade items back (xp books, mora, weapon upgrade materials, talent books). Results are random but there may be a way to bias them towards certain sets of rewards, the groupings are recorded here. Input quality does not matter

Random Useful Links
Character and Weapon materials planners: https://genshin-center.com/planner https://seelie.inmagi.com

Wish tracker (and a planner but it kinda sucks imo): https://paimon.moe

Mihoyo official interactive map, it shows you where resources and notable exploration targets are! - https://webstatic-sea.mihoyo.com/app/ys-map-sea/index.html?lang=en-us#/map/2?shown_types=

Unofficial interactive map, like the above but it comes with comments for trickier puzzles if you need it. Requires login with google account if you want tracking - https://genshin-impact-map.appsample.com/

All furniture and their comfort/trust/load scores: https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/fam_furniture/?lang=EN

Xun fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 17, 2022

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Reserved just in case

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

gandlethorpe posted:

OP doesn't mention that the game actually has a pretty charming story, as well as top notch worldbuilding and VA.

Paimon is best emergency food character

ah gently caress it, added!

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

UltraRed posted:

edit: Maybe say what a gatcha game is? This game is the first I've ever heard of it.

Done! Hope my explanation makes sense lol

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Yeah, getting from AR40-45 seems like it would take a really long time and tbh I can't imagine playing without a decent 4* artifact set which I definitly would not have just from world bosses. I'm fairly certain exactly which sets you get from a dungeon is random, but I've gotten plenty of Nobelesse drops at AR 40.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

UltraRed posted:

Do we have a thread somewhere for Genshin Impact team ups? I need help killing the wolf boss, but pubbies are not being responsive. :( Don't see a thread in private servers.

Theres a discord server with a bunch of goons who can help! https://discord.gg/Dxbk6ZTB2X

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Osmosisch posted:

This is an incredibly minor thing, but would it be possible to take COVID out of the title? One of the many great things about this game is the way it gets me out of the news cycle.

I figured if it bothers me there might be others.

It's a bit late (never changed a thread title before) but its done! I think you made a good point

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Handy map for the event btw, it's in Chinese but it's also officially from mihoyo! Unfortunately I am illiterate and cannot figure out why my EU account can't log in to save markers, probably a wechat thing or something idk

https://webstatic.mihoyo.com/app/ys-map-cn/index.html#/map/2?shown_types=89

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Ive found the favonius warbow more useful on venti than sacrificial. While being able to case his e twice (sometimes) sounds good, you loose out on a ton of energy recharge and I ended up ulting less with sacrificial than a similarly leveled favonius

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Black sword is a good go to for her from what I hear. The issue for flute is that the atk% boost is like, the only thing going for it. Yeah the aoe does damage but its not that much damage in the long run. In comparison at level 70 the black sword only loses out on 14% attack but she gains 22% crit, which is crazy good with her skills since she gets crit dmg on ascensions. Also at some point just stacking atk% actually falls off and you start gaining more from crit dmg/crit rate/electro dmg.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Ashenai posted:

By the way, probably nobody cares, but just for the record: it is no longer practical to reroll, because the AR 7 rewards are gone. So you only get the 10 newbie rolls.

added to op

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

How does sacrificial sword work with xingqiu anyway? I thought it seemed kinda overkill like having sacrificial fragments on barb but everyone is saying he wants it

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

:siren: Account stealing exploit, link game to your phone number :siren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb5ocMdtVQw

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Eh, still probably a good idea to link phone numbers and stuff just in case. A goon came into discord yesterday with their account stolen too. No email warnings etc

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

yeah fair, tbh i just skimmed the video and got tl;dr link phone lol

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

My bennets burst is never up, do you know any good explanations on how this guy works?

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Ah the secret to bennet burst is to actually use him in the field, I tend to switch to my dps asap and start whaling on things. I guess the idea is to then burst, spam e untill it's charged again, and then switch to dps and start whaling?

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Zwiebel posted:

So, I've been playing this somewhat casually for a few minutes to an hour a day and I'm still kind of clueless in general about what I'm doing.
But that's fine with me, mostly. I'm not really in a rush to understand what the heck people are even talking about.

But I ran into an issue where I did some dungeon around Mondstadt the other day and after I had previously only bothered to level everything up to around 30ish, that dungeon catapulted my world level (?) up to 3, increased my adventure level to 35 (after I had been at 25 for a while) and buffed all enemies up into the 40ies, making the game a lot more tedious. I don't mind a challenge, but some of those cube bosses are kinda boring and uninteractive to begin with, so only dealing pitiful damage doesn't really improve their design.

I assume this is irreversible and I gotta suck it up and level everything up to a point where I'm more comfortable again?

Are adventure levels just tied to a max amount that you can't go past until you raise world levels, but you still get xp in the process, which would explain my rapid jump in adventure levels?

Yep, some (but not all) world level increases are gated by a dungeon so your adventurer level is stuck at that point until you do the dungeon. However, you will still keep getting adventurer XP in the background and if you put off the dungeon for too long you can jump multiple ARs and WLs once you do the dungeon.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Archonex posted:

So just an FYI for those of you that like to collect the materials and world items in case of an event or quest that uses them, but there is a (at least semi) hidden material in Li Yue you can get.

If you're used to seeing lizards on the ground as a harvestable item it won't pique your notice. However, in the region of Di Hua Marsh there are special albino lizards that spawn extremely rarely.
These albino lizards give an item that no one has figured out a use for yet. That item is Golden Loach Pearls. So literally a pear formed from the gullet of a lizard.


Normally I wouldn't bother to mention this since a material item that has no use can be collected fairly easily. However, these albino lizards are an absolute bitch to find. They're worse than violetgrass, in fact! Seemingly no one has found a place where lots of them spawn yet too, from what I can tell. Which means you can't juse cheese it by stopping by every now and then to pick up a batch of them. To give an idea of it, it's telling that the first result for many people on google is a reddit thread finding only two locations they spawn at.

As a result, as it stands, with the map we have now if a character ever uses these things for ascension they're going to be anywhere from 2x to 10x harder to get than even violetgrass. Which if you have a character that uses violetgrass for ascension should give you PTSD from how bad it's going to be to ascend them. :stonk:



So, to avoid that now is the time to start stocking up! And despite the bad news to how rare and hard to find they are, there is good news to all of this, however.

I've identified one surefire location that they spawn at however. Not sure many people have noticed yet, but if you go north of Wangshu Inn to the rock shield lavachurl elite boss that area has them. Look around the water's edge and around that tiny pool that leads out into the water. Be advised also that anywhere they spawn may be in the vicinity of reeds that will block your view of them. In addition to that, their coloring matches the reeds and they are as small as normal lizards. Meaning if you aren't specifically looking for them there's only a few places where you're going to notice that they even exist to begin with. As a result, a character that can move fast to catch up and some stamina food that lets you sprint longer is advised.

What this means is that if you're farming common artifacts for fusioning into your high end artifacts (And let's face it, you should be.) from the 12 hour and daily spawn sites for them and going after bosses for those blues and purps (and epics if you're high enough) then Golden Loaches are in fact right smack dab in the middle of one of the farming routes. The Wangshu inn --> Blue House --> Rock Shield ____Churl boss culminates in a spawn location.

If the lizard is white/cream colored and has the word "Golden Loach" or something like that over it when you are in collection range you know you've found a rough spawn spot to farm them. So congrats if you do that. The rest of the sites they spawn at are out of the way convenience wise.

fwiw here's where the mihoyo interactive map says they spawn :v:

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Have you seen his SS tier eyeliner

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

kater posted:

Why did this thread blow up a bunch in like two days was there some drama poo poo?

eh seemed to be mostly normal discussion? Zhongli didn't meet expectations so there were some posts about that

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

quote:

Corrupting the Pope into becoming a weeb: She turned Barbara who is essentially the Pope of Barbatos's religion into a japanese idol fanatic. Hence why Barbara loves to entertain crowds. Luckily Barbatos isn't as uptight as some of the other Archons or that would have caused an...issue. This was part of a plot to create an idol group in every nation so they could do...something. Probably for the best that it never took off.

FWIW its more like...she corrupted a priest in training into becoming a weeb :v:

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

LorneReams posted:

I'm not at the end game yet, but is anything gated by this insane min-maxing, or is this essentially e-peen and masturbation?

I'm at AR47 and I haven't ran into anything that's gated except maybe abyss but it could also easily be execution issues.

I just go for good main stats and hope for good substats, if they're poo poo and I roll a possibly better artifact I try to replace them though.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Man not sure if I want a hp% or crit/attack% Zhongli now

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

They probably think C6 5*s are the only characters worth playing

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

AVeryLargeRadish posted:

The boss of this event is really killing any desire to play the game for me. In coop I constantly get bad teams, I can do it solo but it's an unfun 9.5 minute fight where I go through 20 food items every time. :(

You might have some luck asking for help in the goon discord server, the average skill level is....hopefully...better than randoms :v:

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Framboise posted:

Wait what? I don't think I've seen this part of the event.

Yeah I got the coop event but my girlfriend didn't :iiam:

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Added https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/htmlview

To the OP, hope it'll help people! I am forever suspicious of genshin.gg since they were some of the biggest sources of the early tierlist nonsense and also they said ningguang is c tier

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Mailer posted:

I kinda figured the strategy would generally be "have Venti". :/

I managed to lose by 1s on one attempt due to Keqing's slow ult animation, but that was my best attempt where they all stayed put and Sucrose hoovered them in a lightning tornado with everything amped by Benny's ult. If one mage teleports away it's a reset. Guessing this is 10 gems or whatever I'm just going to have to let go because I don't own a powerful enough vacuum cleaner.

I saw a cheese strat online that involves using the closeby waypoint to force the mages to teleport to you in a blob and then you drop guoba on them. The grassfire then takes down the shields fast

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

ninjoatse.cx posted:

In addition to buying the BP, I decided to splurge and buy the moon banner for the extra primos, because I play this drat game too much. It comes with 300 "genesis" crystals. What can those be used for?

Technically genesis can be used to buy stuff in the cash shop like the weird xp and mat bundles and probably cosmetics in the future, but they're generally not worth it and convert 1:1 to primos

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

ninjoatse.cx posted:

OK, my interface-fu sucks. How do I turn these 300 geneists crystals to primos?

you press the plus button next to the primo count, or just sit on them and you'll get a popup to automatically convert genesis when you run out of primos when buying fates

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Dom is Here posted:

I'm sure it was posted fairly recently in the thread but can someone be a dear and link that build guide spreadsheet again?

its in the ooopppp

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

You know what, path of exile did tower defense and it turned out pretty fun so gently caress it I'm looking forward to see how they do it here lol

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Boris Galerkin posted:

I don’t seem to have gotten any in game mail regarding any of those codes, even the new ones.

Am I suppose to get a notification about the Welkin gems? There’s no screen to tap to claim them and the Welkin page on the shop just says it’s already been claimed. But like, I don’t want to just take their word for it since that was $5 I could have spent on a cheeseburger.

Usually you get a little popup with a purple girl when you log in the first time after daily reset.

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

ninjoatse.cx posted:

Speaking of Mona, the gatcha math has to be wrong. I rolled Mona 3 wishes after getting Ganyu, who was 46 wishes into last pity. Of all 4 of my 5 stars, the only one who was a pity roll was Childe.

Most of my 5*s except for 2 have been pity pulls sooo :shrug:

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

Ibram Gaunt posted:

I feel like it'd probably break some sort of law to lie about rates as well. Maybe not in China but probably everywhere else. There's no benefit to doing it.

Yeah it's super illegal to lie about the rates and even if they did, why would they lie about them being worse than it actually is? I think the pity was even proven to exist due to some discrepancy with the 5* rate they display and the odds of pulling a 5* each pull. Some nerds even went and did monte carlo simulations showing that lol

Also what The Crusher said, it's literally a Chinese gambling law lol. Think blizzard or something got in trouble with it over lootboxes at some point

Xun fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jan 23, 2021

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

ninjoatse.cx posted:

That reddit post with gauge needs to be in the OP or second post. That explains soooo much that we just "kinda knew". Is there anywhere that has details on different characters' internal cool downs? It's insidious that things like Kaeya's burst doesn't trigger cyro on every proc, but Chongyun's does.

Which post is this?

Xun
Apr 25, 2010

I too wish I had that loving jade spear for my Zhongli but alas I don't have whale power

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Xun
Apr 25, 2010

https://discord.gg/Dxbk6ZTB2X

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