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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Barry Foster posted:

anger is a gift, comrade

It's the gift that keeps on giving until you die

Try jokerfication instead imo, the UK is funny as gently caress

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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!



Whoa that's good.
Seems like the SNP are actually following through with not being a terf poo poo hole like the rest of the uk parties?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Sacking cherry is probably the only positive political act I've seen in over a year

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


The government doesnt really believe in governing so I assume it'll be targeted micro interventions at industries owned by nieces and nephews

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


kustomkarkommando posted:

The donkey jacket strikes again

A sense of authentic values alignment lol

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Miliband would be a terrible idea and it's a sign of how far labour have fallen that people want him back

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Forget who is the most electable, who would be the funniest Labour leader?

Tony 2 would be pretty good I think

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!



Whoa the guy whose job was to cover things up might have helped cover some stuff up

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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I'm just gonna take a wild guess: tory donors or family members own coal mines

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Gort posted:

That wouldn't make much sense. The new mine would compete with them and lower their profits.

My guess is:

1. Boris wants to do a lot of photo ops with miners

2. There are lots of ways to use a coal mine to move public money into private hands

oh right sorry, i change that to "they can give their family and donors a mine"

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Failed Imagineer posted:

Scary stuff. I'm assuming the disproportionate effect on BAME children just mirrors the disproportionate prevalence of COVID overall in the BAME community, though it's not implausible there's a causative link to something with a racial propensity like presence of sickle cell allele or something.

I have an inkling that the reason BAME people have worse outcomes on Racism Island isn't because of their genetics

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


goddamnedtwisto posted:

While obviously there are a lot of social and economic reasons why BAME people have worse health outcomes in general, covid is hitting people from these communities far worse than e.g. flu, and a couple of genetic factors have already been identified that seem to change your risk of severe disease once infected.

The two that come to mind are that people with type O blood have a far greater chance of mild or no symptoms than people with type AB, and people with a generic predisposition to apple-shape obesity seem to be hit far harder by covid *even if they are not obese*. These factors are both more common in BAME communities and crucially the difference in outcomes is consistent across ethnic groups, so BAME people would be being hit hardest by this even in a perfectly equal society.

sounds like race science to me m8

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


What's the deal with QCs? My understanding is its a twitter blue tick but for real life British government larpers

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

good old "grassroots" keith will definitely focus on small businesses and not e.g. large ones owned by donors

None of the parties give a single poo poo about small businesses despite them being a buzzword they all use, it's pretty funny.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


God help him when he hits beleaguered

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Embattled labour leader urged to bring back hanging

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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oval office-trumpet, the most powerful swearing technology

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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I missed that, what did he lie about?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Oh lol the thing he got mad about

And he was wrong...
It's not going well for the lad

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I know he's a decent sort but please not McDonnell - all the Corbyn baggage but with the guy who wants to balance the budgets in charge.

I guess that's the issue is both the right and left of labour are pretty bare

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Guavanaut posted:

There's a huge streak of bourgeois entitled failsons stoking the anger of embittered manchildren who believe they're destined for greatness among religious terrorism too.

Yeah, there really isn't that much daylight. Afaik islamist terrorists aren't any more working class than fascist ones

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Tesseraction posted:

It's impressive how Corbyn not being leader has actually made the Labour extended universe shitshow worse.

Labour is at least two factions of remaining rats fighting for control of the sinking ship

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Is jessflaps being outed as a terf or something

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Entering our second year of the plague and the gov is still floating "would it be bad if we just gave up and let the house burn down?" as a potential solution

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Dakha posted:

It doesn’t seem an outright unreasonable question to me. Once the vulnerable people are protected from covid isn’t it time to reassess whether the impact of lockdown (mental health, economic, education, etc) outweigh the impact of covid on the less vulnerable people?

Am I missing something?

More infections means more mutations, its extremely, extremely dangerous to be playing with a plague like that.

E I do agree that some posters are too cautious and basically sunk cost fallacy is making people want to justify locking down forever,
but the other side is a lot of magical thinking where we can just take this on the chin.
Which is a complete misunderstanding of plagues and how they work.

Our current global strategy basically requires that we do not just open things back up coz that means new variants and that means the vaccine may go out the window or we end up with covid 22 making covid 19 look like a cold. (viruses in general should evolve to be less lethal but that does not mean they can't do the opposite and we roll the dice several billion times each time there's a new host)

Communist Thoughts fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 12, 2021

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Yup Keith is smithers from now on

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Lol presumably he posed for that pic why does he still look surprised and caught out

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Jakabite posted:

Given that we are not getting to a point when COVID is eliminated entirely any time soon, when do perma-lockdown goons want to start looking at opening up? Like honestly quite a few of you seem to be perfectly happy and find ridiculous the idea that anyone might at some point in the near future want to resume something like normal life. And yes, sorry to say it, but the vast majority of people including me understand that opening up will mean some deaths that wouldn’t happen if we stayed in lockdown until next year. To the vast majority that’s a price worth paying. I’m not saying open up now obviously, but there comes a point when you have to and the fact that that means that some people will die is just the nature of viruses.

Seriously, if you don’t want to open up when the vast majority of the adult population is vaccinated, when do you want to open up? You can’t say ‘when there’s no COVID’ at this point either - that would have been smart at the start or even up til a few months ago but now that would take us through to May at the earliest, and COVID isn’t going away from the world. Ever. And we can’t quarantine new arrivals indefinitely or close borders indefinitely given that we’re the second largest travel hub in Europe, if not the largest. So we get to say, June, there’s zero covid(which I’m honestly doubtful is possible at this point particularly given the Tories), then what? Indefinite arrival quarantine?

As a lot of people were saying at the start of this, it’ll eventually become like the flu. A manageable death toll of X thousand per year. That’s the reality of it and indefinitely locking down anyway is pointless and ultimately detrimental unless you’re a goon who doesn’t go outside anyway.

Maybe I'm misreading but are you saying you'd rather people die needlessly than lockdown til May as part of a zero covid thing?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I do think the idea of vaccinating the over 65s then letting the virus loose resulting in a "manageable" death toll that nobody notices is just magical thinking and basically ignores what the virus is or what a plague is.

Any death toll is manageable for the government, if that's not what you mean then it's less so.

It seems like we've been having this argument on loop since this began though, people are very impatient and hoping they can shortcut through this but it is just wishful thinking.

I do think it's likely we get what they want though and just declare covid over and attempt to open up again, I just highly doubt that results in what they expect

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Incredible follow up to smithers begging the times to be nice to him

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Jose posted:

It owns lol as does this other posed photo of him

https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1360566046013480962?s=19

Haha come hither smithers wow

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Jakabite posted:

What I'm against, and what I feel a lot of the thread is arguing for, is locking down pretty much without end in the name of zero-COVID permanently.

I'm not saying anyone should be 'okay with dying'. Let's boil it down to a binary choice: we stay in lockdown literally forever and not one single person more (after like June or whatever) dies of COVID, or we open up at some point, with great test and trace, a fully vaccinated population and airport quarantine and all that good poo poo. By choosing the second option, or literally any other option than the first, you're going to kill people. I'd wager you'd still not pick the first one though.

I don't disagree with everything you're saying but this seems to be the crux of the argument and is a strawman you've constructed.

Nobody wants lockdown forever they just don't want to open up in a stupid fashion. You seem to be saying "well that's what we're getting" which is 100% true but isn't what people are taking issue with.

Certainly I don't have a plan. My only hope is either the vaccine works, there's no resistant or worse strains and things resolve that way, or that the government is eventually forced into a zero covid strategy.
But saying that means me or people like me want to be lockdowned forever is just stupid and it's offensive cause the reason we don't want things opened up right now is because we want this poo poo to end.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Jakabite posted:

Maybe I've gotten a little carried away defending my point here. I do fully support Zero Covid as a strategy and fair play to the people working on that campaign. I've actually done a bit of copy writing for it myself. I think it just gets my goat to see some goons absolutely demonise people who, without any ill will in the world, are hopeful that the vaccine might allow them to get back to their lives. Hell, most people won't even have heard of a zero Covid strategy. Wondering if you might be able to go on holiday or to the pub this year doesn't make you some awful selfish elite bastard who doesn't care about other people. I think that's what got to me. Apologies to any goons who are susceptible, I didn't mean to imply you're disposable.

The thing I'm aware of is that if the vaccine does sort everything out and we can all go back to normal despite the gov cockups the covid doomers like me are gonna have to make sure we're not just sunk costing ourselves into resisting it.

I very consciously have set up a switch in my head that I will flick when things go back to normal and return to socialising as if nothing happened.

But right now it's hard to tell which way things will go and so far betting on the government being unable to do anything but make things worse has paid off.
I've heard the vaccine stuff is going well but I'm skeptical how it will all turn out.

gently caress I'm ready to go back to normal though. I want to drink a pint and go to a resteraunt and go into the city to buy something I could just buy online instead.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Once this shits over I'm going to Istanbul and Xi'an coz I wanna see em, sorry planet

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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thespaceinvader posted:

lol COVID just worsened the inequality by more than 3 trillion dollars, and exposed the fact that there's one rule for the rich and another for the rest, but people are just going along with it.

Also that nobody in power will ever resign over anything again

Oh and they abolished the rule of law with support from Labour

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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I'd pay to go on the ship without a magician

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Jose posted:

The left wing party who are not the government have clearly rigged the election so they win

Lol cool

https://twitter.com/adamhamdy/status/1360876177339129856?s=19

The gov have learnt they can withstand that number of deaths, reward their cronies and go up in the polls

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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Jose posted:

saw a tweet yesterday that was to the effect of "these people are still delusional enough to thing the country wants blairism and we should just sit out and let them lose badly to get it over with"

Yeah I'm now beginning to enjoy watching the failure, but I think the issue is that the left has no good candidate in waiting to take over.
The lab right are gonna be scraping the bottom of the barrel left with worse candidates than kieth and were left with worse candidates than RLB.

Also we lost twice in a row so Keith gets another go after losing in 2024

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

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McDonnell brings maos book into parliament then pledges the party to a balanced budget

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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Yes I'm still bitter about McDonnell.

I remember the brief period where labour was looking for leftist economists to write a transformational economic platform, which they did and labour discarded cause they weren't serious about anything.

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