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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Got to love The Algorithm. Clicked on this on my computer, not logged in to Twitter, and all the top replies are "oh no we still support you". On my phone, it's all "maybe you shouldn't have been so transphobic then, lol"

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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BalloonFish posted:



Ah yes, we've focussed-grouped what we need to do to give people the sense of how authentic our values are!



Authentic values wallets! pre-inspected

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Grey Hunter posted:

the pandemic will be a distant memory (that we will most likely be looking back at fondly, this being hellworld. )

"Stop moaning, we* survived a pandemic, and we didn't complain** and just got on with things***"

* "well we all did, didn't we? Look, here we all are, talking"
** complained constantly
*** changed my twitter av to a smiley face and did my best to help the virus win


peanut- posted:

Genuinely why are we opening a coal mine. Is it profitable?

How have we ended up at a political moment where the Tories are pressing for the reopening of coal mines.

Climate scientists: opening a new coal mine in Cumbria would be a "humiliation" & lead to the UK being "reviled"

Boris Johnson:

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

1) Cotton socks apparently help? Nylon and synthetics build up static when you walk apparently.

Just make sure you bless them first, or they won't work

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Eddie Marsen is vile. I've reported one of his tweets for being offensive. (They all are, but I just had to pick one.)

Twitter really needs a "and take a look at their entire profile" button. Or they would, if they cared about banning terrible people.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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The Full Tonty

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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It's also supposedly a thing they (we) all call each other all the time, because theatre types are always praising each other to their faces (while slagging each other off behind their backs). Somewhat true, but nobody actually says Luvvie, any more than normal people say romp, tot or quiz.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Bloodly posted:

Hm? I didn't realize 'quiz' was somehow a poor word?

Quiz in the sense of question (transitive verb). As in "top cop quizzed by leftie luvvies over cell romp"

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

Dodi means 12. :tinfoil:

And Dido means £22bn

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Communist Thoughts posted:

I know he's a decent sort but please not McDonnell - all the Corbyn baggage but with the guy who wants to balance the budgets in charge.

I guess that's the issue is both the right and left of labour are pretty bare

Is there anyone in the PLP who doesn't want to balance the budgets, or at least will admit to knowing how money actually works?

E: I wonder what proportion of MPs actually think that government spending works like a household budget, and how many are just pretending for money

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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OwlFancier posted:

Isn't the point of ppe degrees to give you a load of wrong information you can use to waffle at other ppe idiots?

Yeah that was going to be my follow-up, I doubt the PPE course explicitly says "all the no-money-left stuff is nonsense, but we have to pretend it isn't, don't tell anyone"

Apropos of nothing, when I see a US congressperson mentioned as e.g. "Rep. John Smith", I can't help but read it as "Republican". Which is mostly just on-the-nose political commentary, though it's a bit jarring when my brain parses "Republican Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez" :v:

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

I also want many slices of toast.



My favourite thing is when people have a "Gringott's" style understanding of money, and then continue to cling onto it when presented with a link to the Bank of England website explaining how it actually works.
"Nah, they're lying"... I mean, how do you answer that?

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Pistol_Pete posted:

If I wanted to be completely free of cognitive biases, I would simply join the BBC!

How ridiculous! Yet at the same time, how quite sensible.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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The Question IRL posted:

* = Other fun things I learned are it is very easy and legal to get a Brazilian drivers licence converted to an Irish drivers licence

Is this to avoid a mysterious man named Carteira de Habilitação becoming Ireland's most wanted road criminal?

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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I am sad about the lack of EU fudge, but totally understand. I'll just have to order some next time I'm allowed to visit the office in the UK, even if I have to scoff it all before I go home!

Regarding lockdowns, the government seems to have sold the idea (if only to the media, which is the extent of any "national conversation") that lockdowns are a rolling solution until the magic vaccine arrives, rather than a thing you should do once at the beginning while you sort out an actual response. It would be nice if that was challenged sometimes (lol).

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

This is one major reason I hope zeppelins make a comeback, London to New York on the same amount of fuel it takes for a 747 to reach V2.


That and being able to drop off large amounts of supplies in remote locations without airfield infrastructure.

And you're allowed to throw nazis out the window, I saw it on tv.

Just got to remember not to paint them with thermite this time around.



But yes, sleeper trains are the best, and I'm glad they seem to be making a comeback in Europe.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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peanut- posted:

I suspect very little reason, the idea that there’s some magical reorganisation we can do to get wildly better results for the same spending is mostly misguided. If Germany or France has better healthcare than us it’s because they spend more, not because a state insurance system is somehow much more efficient.

It's this. I can think of 3 reasons why someone might favour an insurance-type system over the NHS

- Total money stays the same, but make the people using the most healthcare pay more. This is obviously very bad and against the basic principle of the NHS

- Get more money into the system through insurance premiums (or "co-pays" or "deductibles" *shudder*). If the system needs more money, give it more money. If you need to pretend the money comes from somewhere, we have a perfectly good tax system which already takes into account means (to some extent at least)

- Cargo-culting better performing systems from the continent. As far as I can tell, these systems work well in spite of their pointless layer of insurance bureaucracy, because they are better funded overall. Mebh, agreed on the NL system, it's very fast and good, once you've done the stupid dance to appease ~~the market~~ and ~~choice~~.

The various continental systems work ok, to the point that most British people don't feel the need to grab the citizens by the collar and shout "what the hell is wrong with you, your system is barbaric, how can you not see that???", unlike the US situation. But moving from the almost-socialist ideal of the NHS to one of those systems would be entirely pointless, and the people advocating for it know that, which means they have their eyes on the obscene profits of a US-style system.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I expect the system has changed but in the late 1970s I worked in Germany for a while.
We had compulsory private health insurance paid out of our wages.
One of the limitations though was that they didn't really have much of a GP type system so you sort of picked the specialist you wanted to see so if you had a 'referred' type symptom, you might not get adequately directed.
On the other hand, you got an appointment almost immediately and if you needed hospital treatment, you got sent along the same day.

I have no idea what the system was like for those without an employer paying health insurance out of wages.

This seems to vary by country, and I don't really know if one system is better than the other. UK and NL have the same system where the GP is the first point of contact and gatekeeper of all things, and if needed you get referred to a specialist, who works in a hospital.

Other countries have specialists who work in normal offices like a dentist (with brass plaque on the wall), and you can go to "your cardiologist" or "your podiatrist" without ever going near a hospital. Luxembourg is like this, and I think France. Maybe the US too? I remember meeting a paediatrician in the UK (socially) and asking if he worked in a hospital, and he was confused because where else would he work. I'd been influenced by US TV shows featuring "the paediatrician's office" and the like.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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knox_harrington posted:

The main reason healthcare insurance is stupid is because it's not like your house burning down or other rare events. Everyone needs healthcare, at varying levels but continuously throughout life. Costs obviously vary depending on what illness you get, but I think maintaining the population's health is way more like maintaining roads than trying to hedge against surprise events.

Not only that, everyone needs the entire system to exist at all times (with trivial exceptions like me probably not needing gynaecological care). Mr Smuggo "I don't eat junk and I take care of my body"? BAM - hit by a van. BAM - kidney cancer. BAM - ludicrously expensive degenerative disease. You always need to be covered for everything. So any individualisation is just silly.

Endjinneer posted:

Free at the point of use and £9.15 per prescription per month or course duration if shorter or you can buy an annual £105.90 all you can eat card, but not in Scotland, and either £28.80, £65.20 or £282.80 for teeth if you're lucky enough to find someone who'll take the money.

Judging by the occasional Twitter thread, there are a lot of countries that provide comprehensive health cover, "except for the parts that live near your brain that you eat and see with, you have to pay for those"

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Jedit posted:

Next to nothing. Also when the NHS prescribe ibuprofen it's usually 500mg tablets, when the strongest you can get off the shelf is 400mg.

This reminds me of a thing I learned, where there's occasionally an OUTRAGE about people being prescribed paracetamol on the NHS "when you can get it for 12p at the shops". The reality being that some people, often with a chronic condition, need to take a lot more than it says on the packet every single day, so they'd need to trek round the shops buying the maximum 32 pills several times a week. Instead their doctor prescribes them a large amount, having checked they're not at risk of misusing it, and keeping an eye on their liver.

Just another "common sense" rant busted by reality.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Tindalos posted:

Ah thanks, a good example of how "trying to get a pay rise" is portrayed as an incredibly negative thing for workers.

Well by definition they're at the perfect market rate right now, so obviously they're being greedy :colbert:

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

I'm about halfway through reading The Constant Rabbit, and I need to know if it's a powerful allegory about the nature of law and being indigenous or if the author just really wants to gently caress the Cadbury's Caramel Bunny? Because I'm getting mixed messages and I'd like a heads up if it's going to become that kind of fiction.

I think I'm more than halfway through but got distracted, so...maybe both?

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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bessantj posted:

Was in work yesterday and we had a delay getting onto the track as there were machines working where we were going to work so I was potching about cleaning the canteen up a bit. One of the younger lads was sitting down browsing through his phone when another, more senior, lad said he should get up and at least try and look busy and the younger lad said 'what's the point?' and the other lad just shook his head. But the younger lad was right, what's the point in looking busy if there's nothing to do? I was just cleaning up some spilt water and milk and taking out a full black bag, there really wasn't anything else to do. I've always thought it was strange how important it is to 'look busy'.

Funny, I've just been listening to Bullshit Jobs which goes into this phenomenon at length. Two relevant things are the fact that employers (and their bootlickers) believe they are buying the employee's time ("you're on my time now, so look busy"), and that this is the natural way of employment rather than a recent thing specific to our society; and that humans actually work better in bursts, rather than having to pretend to maintain a constant pace throughout the time.

This seems to make most employers utterly unable to deal with a) the concept of paying someone to stand by in case something happens, and b) as in your case, the concept of there being nothing to do right now.

For a counterexample, in theatre land there was once literally nothing we could do for several hours while the carpenters did some work, so we went to the cinema and watched a film. Followed by an intense burst of electrics later. Good times.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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a pipe smoking dog posted:

I always remember the police coming in and telling us not to use temporary tattoos as drug dealers use them to trick kids into getting addicted to LSD.

Just so completely bafflingly bollocks.

I like the massive hole in the logical sequence here

- Puts on temporary tattoo
- "Woah I feel funny"
- ????
- "Better go buy some LSD"

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Red Oktober posted:

It all comes down to lazy management / people who don't know how to manage. As they've never been shown they manage the only way they can - by monitoring the time spent on 'tasks', rather than the outcomes.

I don't know how true it is, but I've read that the idea of paying for 'time' from workers in general wasn't really a thing until the invention of the assembly line and affordable clocks, until then people would be paid a piecemeal rate depending on bushels of corn collected etc.

Yeah Graeber goes into this a lot. Good book so far, definitely worth a read/listen. For some reason I thought it was quite an old book (like maybe from 10 years ago, in the late 90s, according to my broken timebrain), but it's actually from 2018. Maybe I saw references to the 2013 essay it's based on.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

That or Failed Imagineer's tactic of just successively throwing them all in the bin, up to and including the Supreme Court. I assume the bins get larger too.

It works up to and including the lower courts, but I think the Supreme Court has one of those crossed-out bin symbols, and you need to drag to a shipyard to be dismantled.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

This is by way of information for anyone else as confused as I was! And apologies if I'm teaching granny to suck eggs and everyone else ITT knew already:

I had to google 'sov cit'. I read it as 'soviet citizen' and I was thinking 'soviet union' hasn't existed for some years.
Tt means "sovereign citizen".

Here's a BBC article about it (seems as good as any to get an introduction to the idea).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53654318

I'm familiar with them, but my brain still parsed it as "soviet citizen" and I pictured a lost-in-the-jungle type scenario of someone who still thinks the cold war is going on.

And is having a Zoom meeting with Necrothatcher for some reason...

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Just read a tweet referencing "GOP climate deniers like Abbott and Cornyn" and did a double take

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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peanut- posted:

Voter ID is something that Kieth should be able to stridently oppose the government on as loudly as possible, for both moral reasons and for the good of the Labour party.

Will he manage this?

Looking at an issue with a big OUTRAGE around it, and saying "actually this is not a real problem, so we don't need to deal with it"?

Sounds plausible

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Scikar posted:

It wasn't necessarily over from the moment of the vote. I don't think a 2nd ref was actually impossible, it just needed a coherent reasoning e.g. a 2nd ref on the final deal, explicitly not a pure re-run.

I'm not sure about this. I think any hint of a further referendum on anything would have been angrily cast as "the elites asking over and over until we vote right", which is a reputation EU-related referenda had before Brexit was a thing.

And the FBPEs didn't help themselves at all by calling it "the people's vote", which they meant as "the people's vote on the deal once it's done, as opposed to just MPs getting a say", but was generally interpreted as "the people's vote on Brexit, as opposed to the 23rd of June which wasn't real people? Space aliens? Idiot gammons?"

I just can't see a way the hard Brexiters (and their supporters in the press) would have allowed anything with "remain after all" as an option.

Edit: Prez Demoted!

White House press secretary Joe Biden said he will ask the department of justice to conduct a review of his legal ability to cancel student debt once his team is in place there.

(from Graun live blog)

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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I feel bad for French and German speaking NB people, having read about their problems with pronouns. French doesn't have gender-neutral 3rd person plural pronouns - "they" is either elles ("shes") for a group of women, or ils ("hes") for a group containing at least one man (making it the de facto gender neutral option, which of course it's not).

German does have a gender neutral 3rd person plural pronoun (sie), but it's identical to the female singular, with only the verb changing. And to add another layer, the Sie + plural form (note capital S) is used for single people already, but as a polite second person (you) form. So that's no help.

So I think they need neopronouns, which is the next level up of gammon-fighting.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Sounds like the thing where the FT is on planet reality because if you actually cling to right-wing economics the money goes down.

Guavanaut posted:

Chicago-style deep pan deregulation.

That's deep dish :science: and it's delicious and calorific and I'm only allowed to make it occasionally.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Microsoft Windows first began
In two thousand and three
(which was rather late for Me)

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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I don't know what Keir Starmer sounds like :smuggo: The benefits of never watching video anything.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Might have mentioned before, but at the USA Bar in downtown Reykjavik I had a "Lindsay Lohan burger" which was a double burger between two donuts. Felt like someone had seen one of those food alignment charts and used it as a menu suggestion

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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https://twitter.com/stettienne/status/1363206905682870276?s=21

See the top tweet for context, but this jumped out at me as the purest distillation of the broken-brained thinking we're up against. It is literally completely the opposite of reality. It's a very easy thing to study, sending the same CVs with "English" vs "foreign" names, and it has been done repeatedly. And it's not even the naive thinking of "we're all equal now, so don't change your name", it's basically telling someone to actively increase their chances of their CV going in the bin, because you think you get thrown in jail for saying you're English these days.

[insert Frank Grimes freakout noises here]

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Miftan posted:

Falafel is great, but the pittas in the UK are, quite frankly, absolutely awful pieces of cardboard. I miss fluffy pittas.

Are pitas a thing one can make from scratch? I've been making bagels every week, because the only thing you can buy here is, as Michael Rosen puts it, "rolls with holes"

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Kieth: [does everything the right claims to like]

Right: [says he didn't]

Kieth: "What do you mean they're lying? That's illegal, people can't do that!"

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Jel Shaker posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPiA69p4gqE

i like this guy “chef john’s” cooking style, but yeah pitas are fun to make

never thought to make bagels myself though, i thought it was quite a specialised thing best left for professional bakers

Ooh that looks good. I will try that on Wednesday.

I am probably cheating horribly and making shameful bagels - I throw the ingredients in the bread machine to make the dough, then form, boil and bake them on these molds - but they are 5x more delicious than the New York-brand ones I used to get in the UK, which in turn are 5x better than the "circle of polystyrene" ones they have here. I make that 25x better in total!

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

Has kieth ever categorically denied performing a shameful act with a bagel?

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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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forkboy84 posted:

Yeah, but while he'll spend on pointless poo poo, we'll see continuing cuts to the services people use. It'll be austerity in effect even if technically they are spunking money up the wall like that old Jam sketch about The Gush.

And it will be the ultimate shield.

"I can't live on this decreasing universal credit"
"Ahem, I think you'll find government spending has gone up :smuggo:"

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