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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





threadban Vitamin P for sure

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





the BBC continues its slow decline towards the unenviable status of state broadcaster: https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1370256264509464577?s=19

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Boris Johnson is going to be in power for the next 20 years, so I sincerely doubt he's handing power over to either Patel or Sunak that quickly

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Form a series of local independence parties in the vein of the NIP, then coalesce as one formal party in Westminster

Surely nothing can go wrong with that

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





sebzilla posted:

Someone was posting the other day about wanting to live a rat-free existence. Apparently the thing to do is move to Alberta.



I mean yeah but then you'd be living in Alberta

is it any worse than Tory Britain? probably not, but it's still an absolute garbage place

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





fair tbh, but didn't Alberta have conservative governments for 44 years straight before said social democrats came into power

e: and the Social Credit folks for years before that, who looked like a whole different bunch of right-wing loonies

e2: but yeah, congrats on murdering all the rats, that is one hell of an achievement

Venomous fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 17, 2021

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





so I've come to the conclusion in the past week that I probably have ADHD and it explains a lot of the poo poo that I've been experiencing throughout my adult life so far, and I think someone upthread posted a list of ADHD symptoms, so thanks for that b/c it's really fuckin useful at clarifying these things

that said, I really really really loving wish I'd known ten years ago b/c I've been going through most of my 20s with no clue as to why my brain is so loving shite

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Regarde Aduck posted:

So, what's everyone's favorite crisp?

idk but Pickled Onion is the Most Correct Flavour of Monster Munch

also, I'm getting some prawn crackers tonight with my Chinese takeaway and I'm really looking forward to them, do they count as crisps

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





nine days until the 31st anniversary of the Poll Tax Riots!

Will that be the date of the next largest riot against the cop bill? Probably not, since the 31st of this month is a Wednesday, but if things kick off this weekend, this time next week there'll be some Guardian pundit drawing parallels between the Poll Tax Riots and the Protest Riots or whatever they're gonna be called in the history books.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Raeg posted:

Considering the last graph I saw had his popularity levels in the toilet, I assume the voters are exclusively the most dedicated of independence TERFs.

So Joanna Cherry

And errr

Joan McAlpine. That's it really

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





So my Dad is encouraging me to go on the dole until I can find work

tbh I don't particularly want to b/c I'm all too aware thanks to this thread of how dehumanising and intrusive Universal Credit can be, but on the other hand it's an extra £700, so idk if I should go ahead with it or not

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





^^this is a fair point^^

CoolCab posted:

i thought you were in germany? i mean poo poo apply and stuff, worst case scenario you're back right here.

yeah, I moved back in December b/c I ran out of money, I've been burned out of my postgrad, and my overall mental health has become considerably shittier in the past year lmao

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





people who think Blair was a good social democrat and see Starmer as Blair 2.0 (a diminishing constituency), people who hate any politics to the left of Bill Clinton and actively want Labour to become the Slightly More Liberal Tories

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





tbh what do the Lib Dems stand for in 2021? At least when Ashdown and Kennedy were in charge, they were to the left of Labour and actually tried to be social democrats. Nowadays they're full of Orange Bookers, and idk what Ed Davey stands for but he sure as poo poo isn't doing anything to win back all the folks who voted Lib Dem in 2005, if indeed they're still alive.

Electoralism is useless lmao

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011






and nothing of value was lost

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1376200429114130433?s=19

new Scotgoon project: take over the Scottish Lib Dems once they're decimated in May and turn them into a libertarian socialist party

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





The Saviour posted:

Im mostly leaning Green, but wonder how the Alba party will do in terms of vote strength. Are their SNP weordos who will stick them as a number 2 on the ballot?

Only the transphobic ones

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Raeg posted:

The Alba Party encourages people to take number 2 on the ballot.

And the transphobic Scottish nationalists will overwhelmingly vote SNP 1, Alba 2, yes

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





of course, the question remains: is Kieth trying to destroy the Labour Party? Because everything he and his cronies are doing will lead to the complete and utter destruction of the Labour Party.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





tbf the SNP has governed as a typical neoliberal social democratic party since it came into power, and if Scotland had gained its independence in 2014, then it would not have become the leftist utopia we wanted it to be unless Labour won the first post-indy elections under Leonard or someone like that

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





the main thing is that electoral reform will never happen in Westminster, because neither Labour nor the Tories actually want PR, and the past decade has shown that we can never trust the Lib Dems with anything, so short of communist revolution (which is equally impossible) the people of this rainy fascist island who want to both keep this country together and make things infinitely better than they have been don't have the power to affect change in any meaningful way.

The best hope for the UK as a united kingdom was in 2017. Had Corbyn purged the right, it could have been 2019 too, but either way, we're never having that opportunity again. Yes, the NIP will be SNP-ified in the next decade, as will the other regional independence parties that will inevitably pop up in that time, but such is life.

If we were currently in the fourth year of a Corbyn-led majority Labour government and it was looking likely that they'd be reelected in the next year, I would have 100% given up on Scottish independence by now, and I don't doubt that a lot of Yes voters in 2014 would have done the same. As it happens, we're never again going to get a government in Westminster that doesn't want to kill the poor and shag the flag, so Scottish independence, and possibly even Northern independence, is unfortunately the next best thing.

Basically, we're in for an incredibly rough decade ahead.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





In hindsight, when Corbyn became leader, Labour should have ignored Scotland and focused entirely on England. Scotland's going to elect nationalists, fine, whatever. Kezia can do what she wants and we won't stop her, because Scotland's not a priority. However, if we don't win back England as soon as possible, then the most deprived regions like, say, the North, will do what the SNP did, and it might just work for them. If we want to keep the Union together and especially stop England from balkanising, a Labour majority government needs to make a positive case for the union by lifting those deprived areas from poverty and generally improving the UK as a whole. In doing so, we will outflank the SNP from the left, and the people who voted Yes will put their trust in a Labour government again, and we will win back Holyrood that way.

In reality, Corbyn didn't do that, and Kieth is not only not doing that, but he is actively fuelling both the breakup of the Union and especially the balkanisation of England.

Labour is absolutely loving useless.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





It's been nearly a year since the Labour leadership election, so here's a good counterfactual: what if Kieth was honest and actually set out to do all of the things he pledged when he became leader? Would Labour be 20 points ahead today?

e: 168 = January 1968: Harold Wilson does an early flag-shagging neoliberalism. It doesn't help him in the polls.

Venomous fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Mar 31, 2021

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Gonzo McFee posted:

No because the press and the Labour right would have butchered him and Keith is actually terrible at politics.

Tbf the plausibility of that counterfactual does rely on Kieth in that alternate timeline being good at politics, so you have an incredibly valid point there

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