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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

bessantj posted:

I know there are people that can pay themselves more, especially in the US but it is crazy to think that someone can pay themselves this much and there is still such poverty in the world.

If you think about it a little harder you'll see that those two facts are related!

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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Total Meatlove posted:

SMETS1, but they’re not being installed any more and the average goon will have no experience with them.

SMETS2 is the one people are complaining about because nobody likes change, and noones going to post ‘I had one installed and nothing happened’ as a story.

I got a SMETS2 smart meter installed and then my utility provider didn't charge me for over a year which apparently meant I could have disputed whether I had to pay if it was older than a year. Unfortunately i only learned that from this thread after paying it.

It also stopped working for a bit but then fixed itself.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


The Westminster SNPs should submit a motion of no confidence in Matt Hancock, just really drag everyone into the mud.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Tesseraction posted:

Also a more important thing to consider is that while Joe Biden is a centrist, he is a Democratic Party centrist so will actually listen to his party's left wing whereas the Labour Party's 'centrists' are all about slurping the Tory piss puddle while making GBS threads violently at the left.

Well that's absolutely untrue. The Democratics never listen to their left, only adopting progressive social issues after the non-party left has made the issue popular enough to adopt without official support and only adopting economic policies favourable to the USA working class when it has an imperialist angle. The unions in the USA had to crawl over to the Democratic Party, at least Labour was founded from trade union roots.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Vitamin P posted:

Bidens Democrats have listened to their left to some extent though, it's not nothing that the executive order on climate very obviously took some cues from the 'green new deal' and that Sanders has been given a role with actual power, and cannot stress enough that the party hasn't done stalinesque purges of its lefties. Compare that to Starmer and if you think the distinction is "absolutely untrue" then we can just do battle with posts, if you're arguing that Starmer has been better for the UK left than Biden has been for the US left then lets go you're provably wrong. Bitch.

Tesseraction posted:

Yeah this wasn't meant to be me saying "let us all love Joe Biden" it's more that the US left is doing better than it's done in a long time while our left has been purged and Sir Haircut has been loving dying in the polls while our criminally corrupt government has killed a hundred thousand brits through sure malevolence.

I'll agree that the USA left is generating more interest and power that previously but it's starting from a much lower position than in the UK. The Democrats either can't purge their left because their party structure can't do very much against people once elected or because there isn't a left to clear out. The UK left is also mounting a more stubborn grassroots resistance against the right than the USA left is against theirs so everything looks calmer and happier over there but are they getting more? I doubt it.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Can't believe people are exciting about buying boxes which are about 20% chocolate in them by weight. Absolute scam, just buy mini or creme eggs or thin chocolate sheets.


Kin posted:

Care to expand on this?

A quick google of "scotland poor covid response" seems to come back with positive indicators for the approach taken up here.

They're still part of the UK (for now.....)

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart...1&values=deaths

namesake fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 3, 2021

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

jabby posted:

So am I right in thinking that budget was probably as good or better than anything Starmer's Labour would offer, making Labour completely pointless as a party? Because it seems like it.

Also seemed like Starmer had gently caress all to say in response too. When you're bleating that the governing party intends to raise taxes now and lower them before an election you truly have absolutely nothing of substance to say.

Hmmm Starmer is boxed in yes but I don't think the budget is necessarily better than anything Labour under him could have offered. The various support schemes are being extended but without any thought about structuring their tail off and just having a plan better than 'whack another 6 months on the end date' is something I could expect from Starmer.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

I tolerated him really up until the 2020 leadership election based on him being bad on NATO and the EU but also one of the only mainstream journalists not to immediately declare Corbynism Stalinism.

He's since declared that continuity Corbynism is Stalinism so he can get in the bin.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


Of course they'd say that.

They don't have principles.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Niric posted:

Not to defend Annalise Dodds, but "push 1.3 million low paid workers into the tax system" is exactly the sort of disengenuous framing of freezing the personal allowance that you'd expect from the Daily Mail's political editor.

Nah it's only selectively used in an argument but it's not wrong in a technical nor political sense.

Wage growth does take place and so people will move over the threshold, suddenly blunting the increase in their take home pay. Inflation is also occurring meaning unless there are nominal increases in the wage at least equal to that there is a real terms cut and so by fixing the level of the allowance there's a negative impact on those people earning just below the level pretty much no matter what.

By fixing the allowance it shrinks the usefulness of the allowance in terms of helping the poorer earners and it's worth attacking.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Niric posted:

We went through this a couple of pages back, but it's effectively just a tax cut that has long been championed by the Mail, the tories and the lib dems - clegg even pointed to raising the allowance as one of his big achievements in government. So seeing people on the left champion it as a very progressive policy that Labour should endorse is pretty jarring.

Increasing it is a broad tax cut across the income range but freezing it is a way of changing the income tax base to start including some of the lowest earners. It should be increased at a rate of inflation meaningful to a regular person to stay neutral and any other changes evaluated with any other changes to the income tax or wider tax policy to examine what the impact is.

The government isn't making any other changes so all this does is shift the distribution of tax payers to include some of the poorer paid. It's fine to say it's bad.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Borrovan posted:

Remember when Jiminy Croblyn wanted to end the public sector pay freeze?

Just think how many underpaid workers that would have pushed into the tax system.

Monster.

Except thats a pay increase policy meaning the policy itself is increasing incomes directly with a secondary impact on tax payments. Talking about how a change in tax codes will affect taxation and who pays it is different.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

All I remember commenting on at the time is that socialist discipline meant acknowledging that RLB wasn't what we wanted but you had to put her as your first choice to ensure the continuity of leftwing control of Labour and your politics were awful if you didn't understand the ramifications of doing otherwise so I'm happy with that.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

peanut- posted:

There's some very dodgy maths in that article, no consultant doing anything is costing £7k a day.

I'm genuinely curious because you can piss away hundreds of millions on poo poo overpriced consultants, but you can't spend £37bn. You need an infrastructure on the scale of the NHS or MOD to spend that much. There must be some staggeringly massive capital expenditure or staff requirement, I just can't find anything that explains what it is.

Why do you think it's being spent on things rather than transferred out of government accounts into private accounts and so it is 'spent'?

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Red Oktober posted:

Because you can't just 'transfer' the money, especially not at that scale. You need something to have invoiced for - this can be fees, reimbursements, kit, tests etc sure, but it can't just be "here is some money".

Like, there is no doubt there's massive grift and buddy-contracts going on, but I just can't imagine what the billing lines could actually say to reach these numbers.

Think of the dril tweet about budgeting but replace 'candles' with 'staff' and add some zeros to the price of it and there you go.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

peanut- posted:

We are through the clapping looking glass. Politics in Britain is now a war of themed claps.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1367845628324249604?s=20

Unison is so bad and still one of the better unions we have lol

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Hey now Stalin has a track record of addressing fascism in his country (hell and famously internationally!) with determination and the seriousness it needs so he's ahead of Starmer.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

therattle posted:

I know. I was joking. An Irish rugby player taking a seat on the Labour AS panel is absurd and thus humorous.

I don't know about that really. Some sporting figures are better at showing political nuance than politicians and commentators. Maybe the fourth estate should be a sports pitch?

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

StarkingBarfish posted:

Thanks for this. It's always nice to see a bit of nature. And sausages.

Remember that dogging is banned until the 29th.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

The obvious step is to consciously understand and publicly start talking about the total and now obvious separation between moral and legal actions and encourage people to be more confident to act morally.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Elections aren't going to be engines of change anyway unless something else radically changes first. Look at how the tools and organs of the ruling class, the mechanisms of government which should have meant something happened when a line was transgressed and the liberal intelligentia and media who should have resisted the course that British society has set itself on, all revealed their class position over the last 6 years and at best did nothing, at worst cheered it on. Go back and read my post about the role of the state in class society, it's not just a doomer post, it's explaining the active forces in society.

Anyway remember last year when that copper on the horse charged into the traffic light? Good times.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Starmer was dangerously close to learning a lesson there.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Yeah the Sisters Uncut organisation is on a TERF hitlist after some confrontation started by TERF at speakers corner a few years back so TERF twitter is doing some godawful poo poo like siding with the police over their attack on the vigil as means of attacking trans rights.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

jaete posted:

Hm, what is the current status of Corbyn anyway? Is he still suspended from the party? How exactly does that work again, just no whip, and... that's that?

Whip still suspended but he's a party member so has the right to attend and vote at CLPs and vote in internal elections but not participate in Labour MP roles. It's completely incongruous with all sensible membership requirements but lol Starmer.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Those results are funny but it being open ended and Attenborough being so high means it's more of a 'Name a person you wouldn't mind seeing on TV a bit more' question rather than any deeper meaning.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

NotJustANumber99 posted:

That's err... A bit selfish no?

Eh if you're having to turn down an appointment because they can only offer afternoons and you have obligations then that sounds fine.

I wouldn't 100% guarantee that every single facility operates like that though.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

punk rebel ecks posted:

So it's looking like the Labour party is even less popular now that Corbyn is gone. Am I reading things right?

After a brief period of almost equalling the Tory vote in the polls Labour have now returned to the low 30s as they have been for a long time now and Starmers personal ratings are diving hard. There's expected to be a disasterous local election for Labour while they are already at a low and a snap parliamentary election has had a candidate parachuted in who is ill fitting for the constituency at best so things are going to get worse for the party and Starmer.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

The general public doesn't really care about anti-semitism either but if it's an excuse to dislike someone they want to or are told to dislike then the intelligentsia are going to make it stick.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."


The police will never move against the state but the unhappier they are with the individuals in charge and the less cover they get from the state the better. It means the street cops are more likely to use their discretion to not go hard after things they consider part of a government's strategy which does nothing for them.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Prawn crackers are allowed as crisps despite their radical base but they also aren't very good so they aren't the best crisps.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Gonzo McFee posted:

Imagine having to condemn MILFs

Williams could claw back a few %s by apologising for thinking it was ever okay to have sex with a Tory.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Yeah check these morning after shots - it's been taken away but it's in a police bay. Not that that's the important bit right now.

https://twitter.com/boringdystopian/status/1373900967431843840?s=19

Anyway Bristol is pretty good all in all but the rest of the UK can narrow the gap.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

https://twitter.com/spinningjoe/status/1373752573279211521?s=19

Some glorious scenes from yesterday.

I'm not saying people should be hitting the streets and get rowdy against the cops just so they get stunning pictures of themselves but I'm not not saying that.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Large demonstrations indicate numbers, not power. People doing something which is against the wishes of the ruling class or stopping something from happening which the ruling class wants to happen are demonstrations of power and size is a secondary element of that.

Having a big crowd around you when you're pulling down statues obviously really helps but it only needed about 10 people to actually do it.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Trin Tragula posted:

"OK officer, he wasn't arrested at the scene, how are you establishing identity?"

"There's about 30 pictures of him on public Instagram and Facebook groups where accounts in his name have said 'YEAH THAT'S ME AND I'D DO IT AGAIN, HOPE THE FEDS LIKE HOSPITAL FOOD'. And one in the local paper."

It's essential that the press attend protests and that inevitably means pictures of participants so the best you can do is not carry your phone, mask up and not talk about it openly while also saving and sharing those pictures as cool things that happened to somebody.

Also mix up your wardrobe between demos, don't let a pattern develop just because you've got a cool hoodie.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

The vaccines are great at stopping deaths when people have it.

But we're opening school and social venues long before the age groups attending and working in those places will get the vaccines and creating prolonged pressure on the health service as circulation continues which will retain high levels of hospitalisations even if the patients do eventually recover. That'll escalate the risks of more variants being created and spreading which might well become deadlier for the younger age groups or render the current vaccine crop useless against it, more generally the cases spreading will continue to predominantly occupy and degrade the NHS capacity which is totally shot after the waves we've had and long term defunding - without a recovery period the 2021 winter season might still have high excess deaths from non-covid causes as the backlog and lack of recovery time means there's not going to be good times ahead for anyone with a health issue.

It might work out, just like the change to vaccine regime to 12 weeks worked out okay but it's very high risk but will absolutely come with a fixed death toll in a best case scenario.

So to bang the drum again join a Zero Covid campaign and get a proper strategy in place.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Another protest set up in College Green specifically about travellers rights and the cops have rolled in in force about 15 minutes ago. This feels like it's going to keep being an issue.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

wooger posted:

You realise people have experiences in their life, and form their opinions based on that right?
Anyone who’s had a group of Irish travellers rock up in their town, park on a green space, commit crime, leave litter, refuse to leave and then abandon the place with piles of litter and poo poo on it will have a similar opinion.

They don’t see them as a race, just as a group of people who behave in an antisocial way.

Where are the people with positive experiences, who live to see a group of travellers turn up in a field opposite their house?

This is entirely selection bias where people remember the problems they had and not all the other times where nothing happened.

There's also vast amount of bigotry on relaying the problems where it isn't that they had someone causing trouble it was a TRAVELLER causing trouble and you know what they're all like yeah?

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Failed Imagineer posted:

At least with DPRK news you might get some hilarious CGI . The Beeb is just the propaganda with none of the production quality

BBC news at one finished off introducing a Syrian refugee who charted their journey over the water to get to the UK with 'they have described themselves as a Labour supporter' for no reason i can see other than attempting to bias the audience against them.

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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Eddy-Baby posted:

A friend requested a primer on "politics"; they have not been interested in this, ever, but it seems they might be starting to notice that Bad Things are Happening. The recommended reading for this thread seems a bit heavy, though. Any thoughts on what/where I could send them?

That's kind of vague to be helpful in recommendations. Do they know absolutely nothing and so need to understand what 'parliament' and 'liberal' and 'socialist' means or are they ready for 'why capitalism is killing you' but not so blunt?

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