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Jun 25, 2007

Good morning!

Edward Mass posted:

Wondo just retired.

Exit stage wide right

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whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
The actual (somewhat complete) playoff schedule:

NYRB @ Philly - Sat 11/20, 2:30PM EST, Univision/mlssoccer.com
Vancouver @ SKC - Sat 11/20, 5PM EST, UniMas/mlssoccer.com
Atlanta @ NYCFC - Sun 11/21, 3PM EST, ABC
Minnesota @ Portland - Sun 11/21, 5:30PM EST, ESPN
Orlando @ Nashville - Tues 11/23, 8PM EST, FS1
RSL @ Seattle - Tues 11/23, 10:30PM EST, FS1

MIN/POR winner @ Colorado - Thurs 11/25, 4:30PM EST, FOX (Yes, this is a Thanksgiving game; maybe FOX is banking on people getting food comas while watching the Bears/Lions game and just not changing the channel)
Conference Semi-Final - Sun 11/28, 3PM EST, ABC
Conference Semi-Final - Sun 11/28, 5:30PM EST, ESPN
NYC/ATL winner @ New England - Tues 11/30, TBD, FS1

Conference Final #1 - Sat 12/4, TBD, FS1
Conference Final #2 - Sun 12/5, 3PM EST, ABC

MLS Cup Final - Sat 12/11, 3PM EST, ABC

whypick1 fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Nov 9, 2021

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
To be fair, Fox put on a regular-season MLS match on an NFL Sunday a few years ago and both matches (depending on which window the NFL game was on) did great ratings.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Is the Philly game seriously on a spanish-only TV channel?

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
Don't they have English commentary via SAP? You almost certainly won't want to HEAR it but it exists.

Jovial Cow
Sep 7, 2006

inherently good
Yeah they do, I’ve used it before, and as mentioned it’s not particularly great.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
The Mothership says it's also on PHL17, which I guess is a local station.

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Edward Mass posted:

The Mothership says it's also on PHL17, which I guess is a local station.

The local Philly announcers are hilarious, so hopefully espn+ has that stream available.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

binge crotching posted:

The local Philly announcers are hilarious, so hopefully espn+ has that stream available.

It’s not on ESPN+; it’s on Univision.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Edward Mass posted:

The Mothership says it's also on PHL17, which I guess is a local station.

I live in Texas, doesn't help


I hope the CCL bracket shakes out so a Mexican team has to go to Commerce City in February

Nissin Cup Nudist fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Nov 10, 2021

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Got bored, made playoff thread

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Always love watching these graphs to see how wild the season got. Remember when Minnesota was dead last? And sheesh at NE being #1 from Matchday 5 onward.

https://twitter.com/MLS/status/1458806434527952896

BelovedWebPatron
Nov 30, 2015

I didn't realize that the Galaxy didn't drop out of the top 7 in the West until literally the end of last weekend. They may have played like five minutes total all year beneath the playoff line considering how late that Kreilach goal came

G-Hawk
Dec 15, 2003

BelovedWebPatron posted:

I didn't realize that the Galaxy didn't drop out of the top 7 in the West until literally the end of last weekend. They may have played like five minutes total all year beneath the playoff line considering how late that Kreilach goal came

Yeah I had both matches on and it ruled, classic decision day moment. Galaxy really quietly sucked after a decent start this season.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Doing a racism at a teammate seems like a good way to torpedo your career....and yet he's still on the team.

whypick1 fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Nov 12, 2021

Backdoor Delivery
Nov 15, 2004

one cool dude


2 Time TRP Sack Race Champion
Andrew Put*a

G-Hawk
Dec 15, 2003

G-Hawk posted:

and here is 538s season opening percentages, which really does a good job of highlighting how unpredictable mls is



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/mls/
Pre-playoff update!



Vancouver the longest odds to make the playoffs, at only 11% preseason
LAFC, at 88% to make the playoffs preseason, missed. Betting odds also severely overrated LAFC during the entire season. Most models and odds are driven by xG or something similar , so heres some xG notes -

LAFC finished 1st in the west and 2nd in the league in expected goal difference at +21 (+2 actual GD)
Top of the league in xGD was NYCFC at +26 xGD (+20 actual GD).
Largest xGD overperformance was Sporting KC - xGD of +1 (+17 actual GD)
KC, New England, Seattle, Vancouver, Nashville and Portland all outperformed expected GD by 10 goals or more
The only playoff team to underperform expected GD by -7 or worse is Minnesota (+7 xGD, -2 actual) - NYCFC underperformed by 6, no other playoff team underperformed xGD. Maybe taking your chances (or making really good saves) is generally a good idea if you want to make the playoffs.

Maybe Minnesota has been unlucky and is better than they look. Maybe they can't loving finish. xG :shrug: LAFC is hilarious regardless. More xG nerd poo poo here https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/what-expected-goal-numbers-reveal-about-the-2021-mls-standings

Also, gamblin odds on MLS cup - https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/mls-cup-2021-odds-see-how-the-playoff-field-shapes-up

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

whypick1 posted:

Doing a racism at a teammate seems like a good way to torpedo your career....and yet he's still on the team.
This statement in the second link is important...

Putna’s future at RSL remains unclear. From the statement above, it seems that the league is considering his time away from the team during the investigation to be the sum of his punishment. In theory, he could play for RSL again once he completes the diversity and inclusion training, though it is unlikely.

...as I believe he's out of contract at the end of this year. I think it's likelier that he stays away from the team for the six weeks or so until his contract is up.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Year end award nominees and my unsolicited opinions:

Landon Donovan MLS Most Valuable Player
Valentín Castellanos (New York City FC)
Carles Gil (New England Revolution)
Hany Mukhtar (Nashville SC)
Joăo Paulo (Seattle Sounders FC)
Dániel Sallói (Sporting Kansas City)
(Probably Gil, could see Mukhtar because he actually played for the full season)

Allstate Goalkeeper of the Year
Andre Blake (Philadelphia Union)
Matt Turner (New England Revolution)
Joe Willis (Nashville SC)
(Stats seems to like Blake, but I think narrative makes Turner the winner)

Defender of the Year
Yeimar Gómez (Seattle Sounders FC)
Miles Robinson (Atlanta United)
Walker Zimmerman (Nashville SC)
(My heart says Yeimar, so it'll probably be Zimmerman to spite me)

Newcomer of the Year
Cristian ‘Chicho’ Arango (Los Angeles Football Club)
Ryan Gauld (Vancouver Whitecaps FC)
Eduardo ‘Chofis’ López (San Jose Earthquakes)
(Arango, as he almost single-handedly got LAFC into the playoffs, while Gauld had White to help bring the Whitecaps above the line)

Young Player of the Year
Julián Araujo (LA Galaxy)
Tajon Buchanan (New England Revolution)
Ricardo Pepi (FC Dallas)
(Pepi seems like a good bet to win this one)

Comeback Player of the Year
Carles Gil (New England Revolution)
Javier "Chicharito" Hernández (LA Galaxy)
Dániel Sallói (Sporting Kansas City)
(Probably Gil, so watch it be Chicharito because he's a name)

MLS WORKS Humanitarian of the Year
Julián Araujo (LA Galaxy)
Justin Morrow (Toronto FC)
Brad Stuver (Austin FC)
(Everyone's a winner here)

Sigi Schmid Coach of the Year
Bruce Arena (New England Revolution)
Robin Fraser (Colorado Rapids)
Brian Schmetzer (Seattle Sounders FC)
(I imagine this will be the order of the final results)

Referee of the Year
Jair Marrufo
Robert Sibiga
Armando Villarreal
(I don't know which one of these three I swore at the least)

Assistant Referee of the Year
Frank Anderson
Ian Anderson
Cory Richardson
(The guy who plays the flute I guess)

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Coach of the year has to be Fraser. It'll probably be Arena because they won the Shield, but Fraser has done so well in the West, and with the smallest budget in the league.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
Speaking of Frasier, where have all the sad Rapids supporters gone?

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006

It's good to be a G

Edward Mass posted:

Speaking of Frasier, where have all the sad Rapids supporters gone?

Died of the plague in 2019.

Moktaro
Aug 3, 2007
I value call my nuts.

Edward Mass posted:

Speaking of Frasier, where have all the sad Rapids supporters gone?

I'm still here, but can't watch them because Altitude and Comcast still aren't on speaking terms. :argh:

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
https://twitter.com/HotTimeOldTown/status/1461127160178089987

Good luck turning around that dumpster fi-...huge mess.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

whypick1 posted:

https://twitter.com/HotTimeOldTown/status/1461127160178089987

Good luck turning around that dumpster fi-...huge mess.
Still feel somewhat good for him because he's been waiting for his chance in MLS for a while. He was Sounders 2's first manager....eight years ago?

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Yeah, he was the inaugural S2 coach for 3 years before joining the the Galaxy then the Crew Columbus.

In other news, CCL draw will be on Dec 15th. Teams:

Canada: Hamilton Forge FC and CF Montréal/Toronto FC (Canadian Championship is taking place this Sunday)
Costa Rica: Deportivo Saprissa and Santos de Guapiles
Guatemala: Comunicaciones FC and CD Guastatoya
Haiti: Cavaly AS
Honduras: FC Motagua
Mexico: Club Leon, Club Santos Laguna, Cruz Azul and Pumas UNAM
USA: Colorado Rapids, New England Revolution, Seattle Sounders FC and the 2021 MLS Cup Champion (Sporting KC if one of those other 3 teams wins it)

Can't wait to see which LigaMX team wins it next year.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Why does Seattle get a spot? Is it because they won the last USOC 3 years ago?

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Why does Seattle get a spot? Is it because they won the last USOC 3 years ago?

After they gave up on having a USOC this year they also gave up on pretending Atlanta deserved the USOC holder's spot and just gave it to the Next Team Up in the MLS standings - which turned out to be Seattle.

binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

whypick1 posted:

USA: Colorado Rapids, New England Revolution, Seattle Sounders FC and the 2021 MLS Cup Champion (Sporting KC if one of those other 3 teams wins it)

Since it's pretty much guaranteed that one of those 3 will win, looks like KC is going to CCL again. Congrats to whichever teams draws them, since Vermes won't play any starters.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
And we know one home opener:

https://twitter.com/MLS/status/1461349755208962063

How many lmaos will there be if the Galaxy lose?

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
And Bob Bradley and LAFC have parted company. Now to see if they really do turn into Chivas 2.0 (although that would mean hiring Preki next and gently caress that, my team has lost enough assistants this year).

BelovedWebPatron
Nov 30, 2015

whypick1 posted:

And we know one home opener:

https://twitter.com/MLS/status/1461349755208962063

How many lmaos will there be if the Galaxy lose?

That is on the same day of the last UNC/Duke basketball game w/ Coach K, I wonder if that will affect how big of an impact this game makes. I know Charlotte's far away from the NC university triangle but I'm sure there's a big alumni-base there, and I have to imagine that'll take up a ton of air in the news in North Carolina that weekend.

G-Hawk
Dec 15, 2003

BelovedWebPatron posted:

That is on the same day of the last UNC/Duke basketball game w/ Coach K, I wonder if that will affect how big of an impact this game makes. I know Charlotte's far away from the NC university triangle but I'm sure there's a big alumni-base there, and I have to imagine that'll take up a ton of air in the news in North Carolina that weekend.

I assume it is on purpose and the plan is to use unc/Duke as a TV lead in on espn. It looks like it's scheduled a couple hours later

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
Offseason roster calendar (free agency, options, re-entry drafts, etc.). Can't wait to spend Christmas Eve Eve seeing a bunch of teams draft "Pass".

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet

whypick1 posted:

In other news, CCL draw will be on Dec 15th. Teams:

Canada: Hamilton Forge FC and CF Montréal/Toronto FC (Canadian Championship is taking place this Sunday)

Montreal wins 1-0. Toronto ended the match with 4 shots (0 on target) and 3 yellows (22/9/1 for Montreal). Woof.

TwoStepBoog
Apr 12, 2008

binge crotching posted:

Since it's pretty much guaranteed that one of those 3 will win, looks like KC is going to CCL again. Congrats to whichever teams draws them, since Vermes won't play any starters.

Vermes takes CCL seriously, it was just that secondary tournament in the summer that he didn't give a poo poo about.
The CCL in 2019 was what lead to the injury crisis and SKC's worst year since Vermes took over because he refused (and still refuses) to rotate at all.

Moktaro
Aug 3, 2007
I value call my nuts.

Tyler Miller has Covid, RIP Loons.

whypick1
Dec 18, 2009

Just another jackass on the Internet
2022 home opener schedule

insider
Feb 22, 2007

A secret room... always my favourite room in a house.

Those Ohio and Northeast games are gonna be loving cold.

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binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

Rubio as goal of the year is garbage

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