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I just hope things get incredibly petty from here on. Ban em, ban their players, burn down football as we know it. At the end of the day it's just venture capitalists playing around with big companies, Liverpool are the next Toys R Us.
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Gigi Galli posted:Think about the money they can demand if clubs know they’re getting huge amounts regardless of what their “league” results are. The clubs won't need good players, though.
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Apr 19, 2021 01:02
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Flayer posted:They know that nobody will like this and they don't care. They are banking on fans still tuning in next season. None of the movers or shakers in this give a toss about bad press or ill feeling right now, how it plays out next season will be the determining factor. They're banking on the $3.5bn JP Morgan investment capital more than anything. It's huge up front cash for joining up, a few years of revenue wobbles won't matter.
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Apr 19, 2021 11:48
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Empress Brosephine posted:I'm out of the loop but is the idea behind the super league just a way for the rich clubs to still have tv revenue coming in when they're not good enough in the CL etc? They get 1) up front investment capital from JP Morgan, 2) a larger share of a larger tv money pot than the CL offers because it's more games, split between fewer teams, and 3) less potential volatility as that lion's share of their revenue isn't dependent on performance (which means they have less incentive to bring in the best possible players, managers etc.). From an investor standpoint it's a fantastic idea as long as you don't believe that domestic competitions will have the balls to remove those clubs, or that customers will find it boring and the super league will see dwindling tv and sponsorship deals over time.
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Apr 19, 2021 14:10
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The Premier League is stuck because they're just as greedy and corrupt as the breakaways and don't actually want to do what's "good for the game/fans", their main interest is in trying to protect their current revenue which means keeping the breakaways in the league, likely with even more concessions down the road. Clean break needed. Fingers crossed some fiery Euro nutters escalate the drama further.
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Apr 19, 2021 15:26
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Punc posted:So this is basically Very Rich People screwing traditions over to become Even More Rich. Will this be like the Nation's League, everyone against it, but still watching it when it's your team playing? No, the nations league is cool and good.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:48
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bawfuls posted:How long before this superleague announces a salary cap? One year in? There's no need for one. Individual salaries will be kept in check because the clubs aren't in genuine competition with each other, they just need to maintain the value of the overall brand. A salary cap might lead the most marketable sports entertainers to play in other competitions, which would be terrible for all Super franchises.
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Apr 19, 2021 16:52
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If they can't legally kick the 6 clubs out of the PL just relegate the other 14 and treat the EFL Championship as the true top division. Let the breakways have their domestic cake.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:01
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skaboomizzy posted:They did indeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.C._United_of_Manchester Player registrations are shaky legal ground that no major club will want to challenge too intently, I would think. But if we're burning it all down anyway let's dig into employment law.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:03
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greazeball posted:will the ESL have VAR? How would it show favouritism to every side?
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Apr 19, 2021 21:27
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bawfuls posted:30 seconds into this podcast and I am already triggered by this Brit pronouncing José with a hard J He's Portuguese that's how it's pronounced.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:47
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Vegetable posted:The ESL is a bad idea for reasons of fairness, but those people thinking its matches would be boring are crazy. They would absolutely be more entertaining than watching Slavia Prague or Zenit get thumped for the umpteenth time. Maybe the first time.
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Apr 19, 2021 22:49
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Jamie Carragher getting way to excited about the power of fans and expecting "godlike" Klopp to put a stop to everything.
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Apr 19, 2021 23:02
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sudo rm -rf posted:like do you guys really think leicester or everton would say no to a spot in an expanded super league? Depends if the super league is a success or not at that point, and if JP Morgan is offering more bribes like the founders are getting.
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Karl Sharks posted:yeah and how the gently caress am i supposed to watch that? iFollow.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:14
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The Championship is good but would be better with half the PL dropping down and shite like Wycombe, Rotherham and Derby kicked out. Steve Parish on Sky earlier floated the "well let's the 14 of us start our own breakaway if the 6 don't willingly gently caress off" idea. Add the top 8 in the Championship under a new brand name for a top division (as the EFL is a bit too incompetent to run things) and that's next season sorted.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:36
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Aston Villa Barnsley Bournemouth Brentford Brighton Burnley Cardiff Crystal Palace Everton Fulham Leeds Leicester Newcastle Norwich Reading Sheff Utd Southampton Swansea Watford West Brom West Ham Wolves
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Apr 20, 2021 00:40
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bawfuls posted:yup, all of these are inevitable if this gets off the ground The PFA has been around for well over a century.
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Apr 20, 2021 00:41
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Kick them all out. No concessions, no mercy. Domestic football will be fine without them.
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Apr 20, 2021 13:25
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Pep is a bald fraud but he's said more against the super league idea than Klopp did.
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greazeball posted:Actually, since the Prem's next package of TV rights are being negotiated at the moment, domestic football will be absolutely hosed without the draw of the Fat 6 in the league. However they have no choice but to kick them out, since they won't be playing in the same competition for the same prize so it would turn the league into a joke to let them stay. 10 years ago the PL TV deal was half what it is now and the domestic game was fine. Costs have risen out of control in England simply because there's that £100m/year pot of gold sitting at the end of the rainbow. Players are getting 5 figures a week in the Championship and League One and it's not because the PL is so generous in trickling down its wealth, or the quality of player is much better. Everyone's either going for it or simply trying to keep up with the Joneses and avoid relegation. Kick out the 6 if they think they'll be better off, let a few clubs with unsustainable debts go to the wall. The EFL TV deal is tiny already so it barely effects the most at-risk. Sky made a load of unfashionable shite popular in the 90s, they can do it again.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:21
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What does this even mean though? Is the super league banning fans? Florentino Perez says he's doing this because it's what the fans really want, after all. The super league is about removing competition.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:33
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Vando posted:He's saying he agrees with the fans, also lmao Perez is lying like every politician when it comes to something that means they benefit "actually this is what you want, trust me" Can't rule out the possibility he's just really, really dumb.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:50
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greazeball posted:really? you think that PL clubs are so responsibly managed that they could take a 30% reduction (just pulling a number out of my rear end) in the TV fees after a year of no fans and a bunch of them won't go bust? loving Liverpool were hours from liquidation after only 3 years of shithead American owner group #1, I imagine it will be tough for every club left in the league if they have to deal with another shortfall. Sure there are other clubs in the pyramid to take their place but it's not OK to let a couple top-tier clubs disappear just to get shot of the Rich 6. Why not? Relegation is more than 30% drop in turnover overnight, Swansea were down ~50% with the first parachute payment. The PL clubs pleading poverty are the same ones spunking tens of millions on transfer fees every summer. Ooh those poor owners why won't someone think about the billionaires. If the FA and UK government play ball it's not a problem anyone should lose sleep over.
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Concerned Citizen posted:the literal football league will not cease to exist, sure. the game will go on. that doesn't mean it'll be the same thing it used to be - definitely no longer the highest quality product in the world, especially if the breakaway league is successful. i would imagine a lot of people have absolutely no problem with that, but it still doesn't make kicking them out of the domestic leagues a simple decision by any means. i would imagine quite a few club owners would be imploring anyone who will listen to not do it, lest they face financial extinction. even in the championship, you have teams that are spending money they don't have in an effort to reach the premier league and they will be in a pickle if the promised land disappears. of course, i'm sure quite a few fans don't care at all if the matches no longer have the best players. You've got to ignore what the specific owners of financially hosed up clubs want. Half the Championship spending 211% of their turnover on wages isn't the reason to keep the promised land intact, it's the reason to get rid of it. Reading have lost £40m each of their previous two seasons, and they were poo poo in both. German football went through restructuring to protect itself and it's doing great.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:58
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The DPRK posted:Please excuse my naive questions, but: Debt comes in different forms. In Man Utd's case most of their debt was created by their owners in order to buy the club in the first place. They don't try to pay it off because the club can afford to pay the annual interest from its income and still pay shareholders dividends. For some other club's it's ownership debt - money their owners have lent the business (usually) interest free in order to cover costs, that will theoretically come back to them one day (like Mike Ashley at Newcastle who can't sell the club because he needs £150m or something paid back as part of the deal, or Vincent Tan at Cardiff who keeps having to convert debt to equity because he knows he's never getting paid back). It's difficult for clubs to live within their means because it's competitive sport. Every single club lives with the idea that spending that little bit more gives them that extra advantage, or helps them not fall behind/down. With the prizes available at the top so high, clubs feel that spending £10m they don't have is a worthwhile risk if it means they might gain £100m a season later on. There's also the confidence that if you gently caress it up you can sell a player or two to cover the losses. Clubs will run up debts for multiple seasons believing that James Maddison or Jack Grealish will pay for it if they don't get promoted. Financial Fair Play rules exist to try to discourage this behaviour, but they don't work. The typical income for a Championship team without significant TV money is around £20-25m a season. Leicester's turnover in 18/19 was £178m, a figure that had been increasing 20% a year since promotion in 2014. Their commercial revenue alone dwarfs the total income of most Championship sides not receiving parachute payments. Why wouldn't you go into debt chasing that much money, or trying to hold on to it? The 14 clubs act like the last 5-10 years of skyrocketing TV income has always existed and is essential to keep English football going. They don't want to give up their golden ticket so instead plead imminent poverty.
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Rad Russian posted:These clubs have MASSIVE followings outside of England that aren't fully capitalized upon because the matches are at weird times and the big clubs "don't play other famous clubs enough". If I'm in debt (or even if I'm not and have a large following outside of England) why not get the free money from those fans from a new TV deal catered to US and China? Spending money is only part of the equation for success, though. Playing and coaching ability plays a huge part, and the best players can still lose to Palace on a wet Wednesday night. If all these clubs had to do was vastly outspend the competition they wouldn't need a closed shop super league, they're already doing it. There isn't a calibre of player out there that these clubs don't already have a functional monopoly on, that they would be able to reach if only they had another hundred million in the bank.
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Recent wages to turnover ratios for the poor little PL clubs: In the Championship it starts at 100% and rises.
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UEFA ready to make concessions to the traitors to get them back in the fold, kicking the super league can a couple of years down the road. If this doesn't ruin at least one of the twelve I'll be gutted.
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General Probe posted:If the ESL fails before it gets off the ground are Madrid/Barca going to appeal directly to UEFA for more money? The way I've been reading this is that clubs are doing this out of either exceptional greed or desperation due to current debt loads. They're already getting more. The CL restructure that benefits these fuckers was agreed just the other day, but they'll always want more more more.
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Apr 20, 2021 19:29
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A lot of fancy protest banners have been printed up that won't get used now. Feel for the fans.
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G Nev has saved the PL and Sky TV.
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Knees buckled but they're still standing. Starting to root for this plucky underdog Euro Super League.
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G Nev still bringing the fire.
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Carragher's patting everyone on the back for a job well done while Gary's trying to tell people it's just the start if we want real meaningful change.
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Crazy Ted posted:I will definitely believe a site named Mundo Deportivo that makes my ad blocker go thermonuclear Think they're Real/Barca pet journos who print what they're told.
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Bundy posted:well, yeah, we knew UEFA would blink and find some bags of money behind the couch Most of that was agreed before the Super League was even announced.
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CyberPingu posted:Removal of existing titles is dumb but yes to all the rest. Shouldn't be scared to indirectly punish players at the Big Clubs, they'll be alright. They've all got good contracts and lots of demand for their services. The rest of football is more important.
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Apr 21, 2021 10:33
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Total Meatlove posted:Fans and players at Portsmouth and Wigan had no say in the dickhead owners who ruined their clubs, no one was crying over them when they got double deductions of points. Players will move to new clubs. Kane can play out of West Ham if he can’t be arsed to learn a new route to work It's only the young players in academies that might face cutbacks or closures when the teams are booted own to the National League that I'd feel any sympathy for. The rest is just the life of a normal footballer.
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Total Meatlove posted:If the 12 stay, what’s to stop them doing this next year? Some of the statements say they're working to reshape the idea not that it's dead. Pep spent more time blasting UEFA than the super league. It's not going away, whatever the Sky pundits said last night.
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