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This is bullshit and I hate it and I hope UEFA and the domestic leagues burn these clubs down instead of going along to get along.
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The DPRK posted:Is the idea for this to replace Champions League games for these clubs? Yes, seems like the idea is for them to stop playing the Champions League and instead play in their own guaranteed sandbox where they make more money and can never get the spigot turned off by being crap and finishing seventh.
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Apr 19, 2021 01:53
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araeris posted:I think the point the controlling interests of these 12 (but really 15) clubs have made is the domestic leagues would be burning down their own houses if they tried. The revenue that the domestic leagues and Champions League enjoy come overwhelmingly from fans of these teams. Nationalize football clubs.
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Apr 19, 2021 02:12
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bawfuls posted:The thing about American pro sports league structures is they’re pretty good at suppressing wage growth relative to revenues over time because the owners all act in concert. Knowing FIFA, a week from now they'll probably do the old switcheroo and get on board with the super league and then a month from now they'll announce that, totally unrelated, Qatar 2022 will now be known as the JP Morgan FIFA World Cup
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Apr 19, 2021 16:34
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Collateral posted:Boris has stated that he will do everything he can to stop this. Which is nothing at all. Then will get a massive bung so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Boris's favourite sport is hunting the poor
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Apr 19, 2021 16:43
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I saw a hilarious suggestion that supposedly the cities that these teams get their names from could choose to sue them over using the city name without a trademark or some dumb bullshit like that, and in the least likely but definitely funniest outcome they could force the teams to rename themselves, giving us literal PES names like Merseyside Reds instead of Liverpool FC.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:00
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sassassin posted:Player registrations are shaky legal ground that no major club will want to challenge too intently, I would think. But if we're burning it all down anyway let's dig into employment law. The way to psychologically reunite Brexit Britain and the EU is by joining together in a concerted effort to consistently apply labour law to footballer contracts, motivated out of pure spite towards the Super League.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:05
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Bayern Munich statement:quote:FC Bayern did not participate in the planning of a Super League....FC Bayern welcomes the reforms of the Champions League because we believe that they are the right step for the development of European football. The modified preliminary round will contribute to more tension and emotionality in the competition. Translation from German: you fools, you utter fools, we were about to get more money out of the Champions League and use Covid as a chance to crack down on player salaries and agent fees, and now you've ruined that.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:08
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Blasmeister posted:For people wondering why this would double the CL for broadcast rights you have to remember that they’re planning each team to play more than twice as many games than the CL does each season, 18 plus quarterfinals onward vs 6 plus top 16 Kroenke at least also wants the quarterfinals etc. to be played using a US-style playoffs system which would mean more games than the usual two leg CL knockouts.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:14
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Apr 19, 2021 18:20
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Luigi Thirty posted:Is my impression correct that labor law with regard to football players something everyone involved is trying very hard not to get a court to look at too closely? Yeah pretty much. Nobody wants labour laws like "an employee can give two weeks' notice and then go work for a rival company" applied to football clubs even though when you really get down to it footballers are employees like anybody else.
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Apr 19, 2021 18:47
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greazeball posted:will the ESL have VAR? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/revealed-unpublished-super-league-document-justifying-breakaway quote:“The Super League ownership and governance structure is designed to allow us to rapidly adopt and incorporate new ideas into the competition. Whether it’s changes in live match distribution formats, technology-enhanced rule implementation or player development, we can no longer rely on external bodies to drive progress in these areas.” Super VAR
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Apr 19, 2021 23:07
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rear end cobra posted:love the american takes getting really tired of these racist takes that boil down to "asian and african fans are just inherently different from european fans"
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Apr 19, 2021 23:08
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cadfael posted:lol thats the first ex-player ive seen make postive sentiments towards this in any way, what a total oval office. Are there any others??? Jozy quite rightly re-tweeted this https://twitter.com/MelissaReddy_/status/1384252327691898886 and Micah Richards made a similar point about uefa on the radio before the game I assume Philip Lahm is for it because he wrote an entire article less than a week ago about how a super league was a wonderful idea and we should all welcome it as the future in football-related brand content.
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Apr 19, 2021 23:57
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Karl Sharks posted:https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384276887761940489?s=20 was just about to post this same one, this poo poo is ludicrous
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Apr 20, 2021 00:07
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lmao https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384271059344498689 literally trickle-down economics
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Apr 20, 2021 00:08
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https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384271059344498689 Florentino "Pyramid Scheme" Perez
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Apr 20, 2021 01:45
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Why would the game between Spurs at 14th and Inter at 8th on the table be more intense if there's no relegation or competition to qualify for at the top of the table? Hoping to get into the playoffs? everybody will be thrilled to watch 10th-most valuable franchise The Tottenham Hotspurs, at 10th in Group A, play their dead ringer final match against 11th-most valuable franchise The Milan Internationals, at 9th in Group A, with playoff hopes long since gone, because those matches are more meaningful and popular than watching those same teams struggling to finish 4th while playing against teams fighting not to get relegated from a real league. This is the defining premise behind the Super League, and it's proven because everyone's favourite matches are the ones at the end of the season where two midtable sides who will neither get relegated nor get into Europe battle it out to see who finishes 11th.
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Apr 20, 2021 01:55
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err posted:There is no going back. This has been planned for awhile, I'm sure these clubs and ESL have contingency plans in place to deal with negative fallout. It's been planned for a while but that doesn't mean they have contingency plans. So far it seems like the clubs are legitimately surprised by the extent of the backlash and some of the non-ringleaders are shocked that the ringleaders weren't more prepared for this and didn't even have basic poo poo like a consistent media strategy sorted out before making the announcement. It's an ad hoc shambles from top to bottom, which is exactly what you should expect from a bunch of greedy billionaires biting JP Morgan's hand off as a way to get out of the unsustainable debt they've wracked up by only ever thinking three months ahead for the last two decades.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:04
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sassassin posted:What does this even mean though? Is the super league banning fans? Florentino Perez says he's doing this because it's what the fans really want, after all. "Football is nothing without [legacy] fans" - Sir Matt Busby
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Apr 20, 2021 14:35
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webmeister posted:I know the discussion has gone on for years, decades really, but I've read a few things suggesting that it's literally something they slapped together in the last few days and shat out into the world Remember that just a few years ago two of the ringleader clubs couldn't complete a major transfer because of a fax machine malfunction. That's the level of competence and foresight we're dealing with here.
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Apr 20, 2021 14:48
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sassassin posted:Why not? Also football survived for over a century without massive international TV rights income. Some clubs would absolutely face financial hardship in the short term if the PL bubble burst, whether from a super league or anything else, but ultimately the whole point of a league pyramid is that even if some clubs unsustainably overinflate their finances and collapse, other clubs can take their place at the top. Funnily enough, that is in fact the entire thing the super league is trying to avoid, because clubs like Madrid and Barcelona are terrified of going bankrupt and getting replaced.
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Apr 20, 2021 15:41
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Jippa posted:I keep reading that owners/chairmen etc "didn't expect this reaction". That has to be nonsense right? They're dumb as hell op.
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Apr 20, 2021 16:18
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Pook Good Mook posted:Really funny moment on a Liverpool fan podcast/channel yesterday was a viewer question asking what's stopping Liverpool or any team from just relocating to somewhere else. The 3 "hosts" all stopped, mouths open, and they were all like, well poo poo, nothing I guess. We are the Abu Dhabi Reds, This Means More.
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Apr 20, 2021 17:42
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Apr 20, 2021 17:46
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I saw one analysis that said the proposed Super League model basically takes American sports and makes them even more inequitable because yes, American sports are a closed shop money printer, and yes there's huge disparity between the richest and poorest teams, but also they've at least tried to level the playing field a little bit through things like the draft system prioritizing the worst teams and leaguewide salary caps meaning the richest teams have a little less ability to just buy their way to the top. As a result, good teams come and go, sometimes rich and successful teams turn to poo poo despite having the highest revenue, and even bad teams can eventually win titles. The Super League proposal takes the closed shop money printer and gets rid of the token concessions to fairness, which makes it even more transparently a huge cash grab than the usual American sports structures. It also doesn't help that all the people behind it keep giving media interviews where they say "yes, actually the point of this is for us to make more money than we currently make."
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Apr 20, 2021 18:19
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Roman Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour saving football, who would have thought
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Apr 20, 2021 19:11
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Supposedly the Chels players told the club they wouldn't play for it anymore if they got banned from internationals.
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Apr 20, 2021 19:12
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Also I'm copy/pasting this from the Guardian as a counter to all the fuckers who say "oh well the super league would appeal to Asian fans so therefore..."quote:The view from India: “I’ve seen a lot of people saying ‘The fans living in Asia or Africa will LOVE seeing Real Madrid playing Manchester City every week for 23 years’ as a point against the ESL,” writes Arvasu Kulkarni. “Well, that could not be further from the truth. I live in India, and watch Manchester United on the telly every chance I get. because gently caress anybody, from posters in this thread up to and including florentino perez, who thinks fans from around the world are easily distracted by some new shiny thing and don't reject this as the greedy bullshit that it is
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Apr 20, 2021 19:16
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Apr 20, 2021 19:23
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rear end cobra posted:Feeling empty and disappointed the lols didn't last longer although fleeting, it's been nice having the gang together for some lols
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Apr 20, 2021 19:26
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lmao this really has been quite a day
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Apr 20, 2021 22:20
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Crazy Ted posted:Apparently they're all going to have a Zoom meeting now They all want to yell at Perez to his face
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Apr 20, 2021 22:22
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oliwan posted:Guess there's relegation after all
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Apr 20, 2021 22:51
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Gigi Galli posted:https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1384653584684421122?s=21 stakeholders stakeholders stakeholders Stakeholders Stakeholders Stakeholders STAKEHOLDERS STAKEHOLDERS STAKEHOLDERS
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Apr 21, 2021 00:51
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jesus WEP posted:doesn’t the Spanish or Madrid government just do a really shady deal every time Real needs money, like “oh we’ll buy this shack beside your training ground, does €750,000,000 sound good?” Franco's ghost looking down on Florentino Perez, "You're doing a great job son, a great job!"
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Apr 21, 2021 01:05
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goon project, let's buy Arsenal Football Club
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Apr 21, 2021 01:25
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BUG JUG posted:Can we move them to las vegas? as the last two days have shown, we as owners would have absolute power to do anything we want with no consequences whatsoever
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There's now talk about undoing some of the recent CL changes, especially the plan to let in teams that didn't qualify but have high European coefficients. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/21/uefa-could-be-forced-to-alter-champions-league-plans-amid-backlash-super-league The funny part is that it's the ECA that's pressuring UEFA to rescind these changes, which they can do because the Super League 12 all resigned from the ECA when they announced the Super League.
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