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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Do not vote for these monsters. Cover up. If I am deeply insecure & ashamed of my body then so should everyone else be dammit.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Algol Star posted:

It's depressing how many people view political parties like supporting a football team and just want to vote for the party that ends up winning.

I know, that's not how football is meant to work. You pick a team somehow and that's it for life, through good times & bad

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Blinks77 posted:

I pick a team for the lifetime of their time at the top.

Where's the fun in that? Football is about misery & suffering & having your Saturday night ruined for 9 months a year

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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stev posted:

So Line of Duty probably just ended and everyone very pissed off. After multiple seasons building up a conspiracy network of corrupt police officers and a long campaign to find the "main man", it's revealed that the orders were coming from some mediocre white bloke who'd spent his life failing upwards and wasn't particularly interested in the exciting criminal aspects and mostly saw it as a side gig. The actual corruption was systemic, mundane, slow and boring - and was immediately memory holed by the powers that be who quietly closed the anti-corruption unit (who clapped themselves on the back for a job well done and went home).


Possibly the most deflating hour of TV I've seen in a while.

I don't have much investment because I stopped watching at some point in season 3 & never feeling the need to get back to it, but must admit that I'm not sure I get all the people being mad that the show had a point to make & made it. Perhaps that's not dramatically satisfying but it is a pretty accurate portrayal of corruption not just in the filth but in Britain at large. It almost all is incredibly mundane & boring. It's easy to get outraged at big in your face corruption, but the back room handshake deals & politicians all just moving from Westminster to lobbying for private corporations is all just low-level & frequent enough to be taken as banal normality. It's only if you step back & think about it a little that it starts to jump out to you. Or the companies like PWC who offer government departments free "advisors" as SPADs, but in exchange they get to write the tax laws so they know exactly what loopholes go in & so if anyone wants to exploit them they should really hire you. Most people don't really see why they should step back & think about it, most people only really want to think about politics once every 5 years apparently.

Probably the point gets lost in all the people being mad but it is actually an important one to make even if that means sacrificing a nice, neat conclusion.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tomberforce posted:

It's honestly really scary how pervasive it's all getting. Every other suggested video I'm getting on YouTube is loving Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro and a whole litany of minor goofy fronts for white supremacy and it really seems to be getting through to people, at least here in Australia.

You just have to be aggressive in saying "don't show me this poo poo"

I don't get that poo poo at all but it took a little effort

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Great. Death to the Labour Party

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Mebh posted:

I want a left wing government, not a poo poo neoliberal excuse for a party that will do nothing useful and fall on its arse making the next election after they win go even more rightward.

Accelerationism is bad, I know but I genuinely don't see any way to swing the pendulum left by bowing down to Starmer's lot so why do it? Burn labour to the ground and rebuild it after everyone wanting cushy careers in sensible opposition is set afloat on an iceberg.

If there's something to take away from 30 years of Labour boosting neoliberalism it's that the left supporting a Labour Party that offers them crumbs does nothing good. Socialist ideas just become harder and harder to imagine for the public as realistic, to the point that even limp social democratic ideas are dismissed as implausible fantasy.

I'm not going accept the least worst option anymore. It's not accelerationism that makes me want Labour destroyed to make way for a new party of the left, it's quite the opposite. The crumbs aren't enough. The little New Labour offers is not enough. Accepting the status quo is a reactionary position.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Communist Thoughts posted:

I think it's astonishingly unlikely we get a viable new left wing party but it's also astonishingly unlikely we can turn labour into that

Sure, it'd be a hugely uphill struggle for any new left party to not end up like just the usual Trot party that tops out at 500 members who care more about selling their lovely paper than politics & collapses with some sort of awful sex scandal.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jedit posted:

That's the first time I've seen the words "vegan" and "tolerable" used in the same sentence.

I don't believe this is true.

Anyway, in my experience as a lifelong vegetarian I gotta say that I have been bothered/bored to tears by people who eat meat way more than vegans. God it's loving tedious.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Pizza is definitely the main reason I don't see myself going vegan. I've used vegan parmesan in pestos (home made pesto isn't great value if you don't have basil in your garden but god it's loving scrummy) but yeah, on a Pizza I need cheese. Don't even have Pizza all that often but I want the possibility to remain

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Because my gimmick itt is shoehorning Propagandhi songs into topics

They have a great song on this exact topic, Humane Meat - The Flensing of Sandor Katz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2gGwTjkcIs

Also the only song I know of to use the lyrics "spreadable headcheese"

This is a good gimmick & you should do it more life because Propagandhi are rad

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

I've been vegetarian my whole life apart from trying bacon 2 or 3 times when I was a teenager - my parents became vegetarian when they were about 20 and kept it up their whole lives since. Still, meat often smells quite good to me. Sometimes I'll walk past a burger bar or a kebab van or something and think "that smells good"... but I still don't want to eat it. I would probably enjoy the taste if I could get over the thought of eating an animal.

The exception is pork and pork-based meats like sausages and chorizo. There's something about it that smells of absolutely rancid death to me.

I used to feel nauseous going past the Butchers, smell was just vile. And honestly, when I had a flatmate who ate meat I just couldn't be in the living room/kitchen when he was cooking because it was even nastier

No problem with the look of it, I can happily watch cooking shows where they butcher a pig or whatever, I just cannot handle the stench

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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stev posted:

The only thing I get from that cartoon is that Kieth is an incompetent bricklayer.

Yeah but Momentum & TUC aren't helping him so really they are the big villains if you don't think about it really hard.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chuka Umana posted:

So when are the local results coming in?

No idea but they are saying Holyrood results won't come in until Saturday or Sunday because they aren't doing an overnight count which is weird but sensible

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Get to go to my old Primary School to vote tomorrow

Always fun walking in and being shocked at how drat small everything is

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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crispix posted:

last local elections here i voted for an angry lady who was running because she had it in for the council for closing one of the leisure centres

the fuckers have done away with all the bottle banks now and if i'd the money to spare i'd run myself, next time :mad:

Reminds me of the Burnistoun sketch about the guy who became an MP over traffic lights at a roundabout

https://youtu.be/A8Zfd2Kzw1k

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Yup, sitting it out too. Used to hold my nose and vote for the SNP, but after they openly refused to remove vocal transphobes from the party, they can go gently caress themselves too.

Vote Green, please. The Scottish Greens are not the England & Wales Greens.

I'm going down their manifesto now: £7.5bn+ in infrastructure spending on things like public transport & renewable energy sources & making homes much more energy efficient (my folks' home got insulation paid from a Scottish Government scheme & it has made a huge difference). Demand devolution of things like the minimum wage, sick pay & increasing those to meet the living wage. Ensure companies bidding on public contracts pay a living wage, recognise trade unions & end precarious work. Support transition to a 4 day work week with no loss of pay. Make worker or union representation mandatory for businesses with a turnover of £5m or more. Windfall tax on companies making a killing from the pandemic. Finally force the SNP to live up to their old election promise & scrap council tax, replacing it with a far less regressive tax. A whole host of protections for private renters. Investment in social housing with 84,000 new homes built over a decade (plus support for another 40,000 non-social affordable homes) & a review into the taxation of property that lies empty to encourage it to become available. Pushing a new, more progressive Land Reform Act. A lot of good stuff on education, I almost C&P'd the entire section, but stuff like ensuring the past is taught honestly in schools with no more white washing of the British Empire etc, ensuring kids are away of their rights at work and actively teaching them about trade unions. A lot of good health stuff including big increases on mental health services. On LGBT+ stuff, "Deliver long overdue reforms to the Gender Recognition Act, including statutory self-declaration, recognising non-binary identities and all genders, and providing access to health care for trans minors with parental or guardian consent" seems good to me? Extend voting rights to all asylum seekers. Decriminalising sex work.

And that's on top of a bunch of really good stuff on animal welfare & so forth that you'd expect. I dunno, I really cannot see a good argument for not voting Green. Even if you're iffy on independence, they support another referendum, but that doesn't mean you have to vote yes in it. Though you probably should, death to the UK.

Clearly the Scottish Greens are not revolutionary Marxists. Their manifesto is on the whole very practical, there's not much in the way of bold long-term projects, which is a shame. But it's still a platform worth supporting.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Kin posted:

So getting my head around the Scottish voting system (because I finally got around to it) and it basically boils down to this?

Vote both SNP if you wanna try and push for a SNP Majority.
Vote SNP and (other not tory party) if you wanna reduce tory seats.

From what I read, the system is fairly representative of seats to vote share ratios, so in the end would it even matter? If 30% of my area are scum, then the Tories will get about 1/3 of the available seats anyway?

Echoing what Jedit said. If you support independence, vote SNP on the first ballot & Green on the second. The only exception is if you live in South of Scotland. The SNP currently have 4 MSPs from the second ballot, despite receiving more than twice the votes of the next party in 2016. 3 of those MSPs are South of Scotland, 1 Highland. Which basically means about 900,000 SNP votes were wasted, which only benefits the Tories.

The only sensible option on the 2nd ballot are the Greens. Do not engage with Alex Salmond's ego trip.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Should we just give the Channel Islands back to France because do we really need another loving tax haven?

Anyway, pleasantly excited to find that the Greens are running a local constituency candidate here so I don't have to spoil my ballot. Coz I'm not voting for loving Fergus Ewing. But more weirdly there is Restore Scotland. Who seem to be a pro-independence, anti-EU right wing party running here, Banff, Dundee West & Shetland. Sound like shitheads, their Wiki has a line about the ranting about "Scottish Government’s new hate crime legislation".

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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It's a bit odd knowing there's no election broadcast to stay up all night watching, waiting for the Western Isles to pull their fingers out & get the votes from Barra to the count at 4:30am. Sensible though.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jakabite posted:

Wait there isn't?

I dunno about local elections down south, but certainly the Scottish count isn't happening tonight. Doesn't look like there's owt on the BBC News schedule though.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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The polling station they are outside was my local when I was in Glasgow. It's the school Red Clydesider John MacLean taught at and also is next door to an Orange lodge because Glasgow is a land of contrasts.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

I have a distant relative called shona, I think, so that one isn't odd to me.

At least it's pronounced as it's spelled, which is more than can be said for quite a lot of english.

I think the notable part of the name is less Shona & more Jemphrey. Shona is a good Gaelic name.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I kind of hate him for holding back until polls closed. People should've been made aware of this before voting.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I'm glad Labour is at least able to hold onto fictional places

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Sometimes you have to sit back and really revel in the idea of Labour losing a by-election to an incumbent government of 11 years. That takes skill

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Angepain posted:

taking two council results to mean anything much is probably a bad idea

i mean, labour is definitely hosed in general because, you know, everything, but these two results aren't directly proof of that on their own

I take what I can get, & this is funny.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chuka Umana posted:

Was Burnham the one who wrote the "We have no money" note?

No, that was Liam Byrne, the West Midlands Labour Mayoral candidate who is going to get humiliated by the Tories probably

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

I recall James introducing themself as gender neutral way back in their first appearance?

I think diversity representation is a goal to go for in terms of guests - it's not like this is the result of a recruitment process.

E: Thought Elijah was still in the cast.
Don't respond sincerely to Breath Ray, you're wasting your time

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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keep punching joe posted:

NIP got like 250 votes lol, Lab can't even use the excuse that they split it.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1390548710153654272

Truly the solution is to offer even less than nothing

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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EvilHawk posted:

Fine, going back to lurk. Not particularly interested in having arguments about things that happened all morning.

This thread criticises Jeremy Corbyn a lot. We just collectively dismiss the anti-semitism attack line as complete bollocks & a fine example of Goebbels in action, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." This notion you can't criticise him without being run out of the thread is patently bollocks because I still post despite thinking Jeremy Corbyn spunked the best chance in generations (possibly ever) for the left to reshape the Labour Party, & then for failing to stick the knife in the Labour Party after they'd stuck the knife into him repeatedly.

"He said it Epshtein instead of Epstein is just further proof he is an anti-semite" was a line uttered by "serious" commentators. It's loving deranged. Or deeply cynical weaponising of a legitimate concern, which just ends up trivialising that legitimate concern.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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The Perfect Element posted:

This is a fake account.

I don't think it is.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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DarkCrawler posted:

Explain this to a foreigner - is it "end vaccine apartheid"?

Kill The Bill. The Bill is a slang term for the police that I've never heard anyone ever use outside of an old ITV cop show which was called The Bill. Anyway, it's about stopping a really bad parliamentary bill the government are trying to pass but John Rentoul is a loving idiot.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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TulliusCicero posted:

:stare:

Why is the UK just Florida now? What the actual gently caress happened?

Europe as a whole has never honestly faced up to the massive & deeply hosed up bigotry towards GRT people. It's horrendous.

The leader of the Conservative Party in Scotland: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/douglas-ross-and-the-war-on-scotlands-travellers/

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Very chuffed with my old home in Hillsborough getting shot of those loving Labour chancers.

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Jun 13, 2012

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u brexit ukip it posted:

Interesting result though in Banffshire and Buchan Coast which is more rural - SNP hold, but down 10% with CON up 10%, resulting in a 700-vote majority for the SNP (or 2.3%).

Yeah, but it's also worth looking at the UK-wide elections since 2016. The Tories won the closest equivalent constituency in 2017 & held it in 2019. The first time they'd won an MP in Banff & Buchan since 1987. It's the strongest pro-Brexit constituency in Scotland, Fraserburgh & Peterhead are basically the centre of Scottish North Sea fishing. So while it is very narrow but I wouldn't expect that swing to hold in many other places.

Xeno posted:

Extremely depressed today. Shall drink into oblivion. Cheers UKMT.

Labour being destroyed is good. You need to knock down a rotten building for you can build something better in its place.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gonzo McFee posted:

Starmer has collapsed Labour support in LIVERPOOL

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1390669110204305408?s=19

Amazing stuff.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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First gain, SNP pick up East Lothian from Labour

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390681648660877314?s=20

Number 5 on the SNP target list.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Crispix will be heart broken

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Jun 13, 2012

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Answers Me posted:

Absolute car crash interview from Starmer on BBC News rn

Hope he follows it up with an actual car crash. loving bastard.

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