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Pistol_Pete posted:What do you think: director on a privatized utility, or cushy thinktank position? Probably some kind of police lobby / law and order think tank
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Let's say Labour slowly dies a permanent death, for the sake of discussion. After some time, what fills the opposition vacuum? Greens? SCG spin off party? No filling the vacuum (Single party Tory state)?
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May 7, 2021 04:08
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Is it possible for 'youth = left wing' to change? The current levels of government spending for the Tory party, tell us this: There is no ideological commitment to libertarian virtue that is above electoral realities. If they have to buy votes, they will, doing the bare minimum in order to achieve that. In other words, this is the 'one nation' Conservative party —paternalism honoured as a bare minimum appeasement against class revolt. With no tangible positive outcome in sight for the political left, will the youth not simply embrace the cold blooded pragmatism of the Tory electoral machine? As most young people say when getting their first job "it's better than nothing." On moral grounds I don't support this happening. I just want to raise the question of relying on the youth as a strategy. Can we?
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May 7, 2021 13:41
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? The momentum in Europe is toward green parties coming out of nowhere. It might be that we could get our entryism in now and seize the green apparatus. It's not a certain bet; there are no certain bets. With the Labour party turbo hosed, though, there's votes and political loyalties not being used that might as well be spent on a punt like this. Another possibility is for Labour's SCG to splinter into a new party. If this becomes our parliamentary punt, then it leaves options open. If it fails, everybody jumps ship onto the green punt. If the party stays around but a green party surge starts, this vote split is a good bargaining position to demand the greens stay with the proletariat.
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May 7, 2021 22:48
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Guavanaut posted:"Young man, don't you sell my church short." I read this to the tune of the opening line of YMCA.
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May 8, 2021 00:08
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Do the corns have to be about the edges or can you just keep going until you have something resembling a pineapple?
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May 8, 2021 00:10
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That footballers earn so much is an outcome of the commodification of human labour. In the highly competitive world of football, only a rare kind of human can produce top quality ticket sales and merchandise sales. Their scarcity, combined with the glut of teams that would want them, causes a bidding war. It is a stark reminder that your worth in this system is purely whether you are worth something to the bourgeois.
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May 8, 2021 10:45
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. The socialist campaign would struggle to conscience a split from a cause this old. They'll likely remain a Labour party. Though compromised, Labour is not itself the enemy. I do not say that as a call to support this compromised and Starmer-Ridden party. I say that as a warning. Wherever the left takes its loyalty, it will face the enemy. A leader of the Greens is likely to garner the loathing of the Guardian, unless they support a status quo, and are "sensible", and so on. Any party promising hope for people will be punished by our presses. The forces that formed a border in Labour can do it elsewhere, as it has done to our nation, and to discourse across the world.
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May 8, 2021 12:32
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First made the lymph node under my armpit swell to a squash ball size. Second gave me a day long headache.
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May 8, 2021 13:37
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Also Ed at least had a policy platform he was able to communicate to the public. Keir can only speak in management bullshit and anyone who even thinks of themselves as working class loving hates that. Imagine a Keirstone engraved with "change the things that need changing" and Labour branded mugs that read "fully support the police in these matters"
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May 8, 2021 13:46
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Es bleiben im Raum: Rayner, Nandy, Milliband und Dodds.
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May 8, 2021 20:21
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Once a people sell its morals for self interest, they gain the same ruthless raison d'etat that threw us into war after war from Napoleon to Hitler —it's the shark tank mentality that brings about each Tory leadership challenge. Starmer is weak, and the party has no moral; it's blood in the water. The only dampening factor is that a new leader would have to inherit this Labour party. The coming months will be an interesting test if this logic is followed. In theory, if there is no war, the reason would be that no one found the territory (the Labour party) worth winning.
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May 8, 2021 20:40
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Dick Wolff is a powerful name.
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I could get behind a Dick Wolff
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May 8, 2021 20:57
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May 8, 2021 22:07
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COMRADES, WE WILL MAKE THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
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May 9, 2021 00:59
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Chuka Umana posted:wtf did i miss the past 24 hours? Sir Lewis Hamilton has pole position in the Spanish GP
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May 9, 2021 01:37
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Integrity. Authority. Unity.
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May 9, 2021 01:42
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Are we 20 points ahead yet?
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May 9, 2021 11:07
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It has turned out fortunate for me today that destiny has appointed up north to be my birthplace. E: 
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Thanks. I took a break from politics after things turned rather gloomy. This came after I left the Labour party, when I saw that the man I voted for leader turned out to be a wreck. The final straw was when I could see that he was going to equivocate on trans rights; it's an issue that affects a number of my closest IRL friends personally. Regrets are useless, though. The decision was to spend time working on my own happiness, not to be defeated. I lost a stone, took up the habit of reading, DMed a DnD campaign for my closest friends. Life has been good. I came back here now because I feel like my happiness isn't tied to political fortunes any more. It's a good place to fight from. I also came back now because this moment in Labour history is hilarious and I wanted to share it with you.
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No integrity. No authority. We're uniting over a desire to see him gone.
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May 9, 2021 18:07
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XMNN posted:wtf is "role authority" and would this anonymous source like to expand on how Keith possesses it His role is sub.
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May 9, 2021 20:11
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Is this party trying to do Putin publicity: where they cause so many scandals in a short space of time that people forget the original scandal? No one's forgetting that Starmer tanked Labour.
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May 9, 2021 20:21
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Ordinarily, cabinet reshuffles are coordinated to align policy decisions into a single coherent whole. For example: if you were facing a war, you'd consolidate all pacifists or all warhawks to your personal taste (or, if you're smart, to the tastes of public opinion). Neil Kinnock went further than this, using shadow cabinet positions as a means of conversion: offering SCG members who revoked their SCG policies —and who accepted his own agenda— positions in the shadcab. In this way he consolidated all centrists by strongarming socialists into the center, if only symbolically (NB: It was poo poo). Starmer seems to think that shadcab positions should be offered to people with name recognition, or to those who have some expertise in the field. While there's some truth to this, party members will make their name by espousing their views irrespective of whether they have a (shadow) office. They'll make columns, tweets, speeches and appearances that get the public to know where they're coming from. Better yet, you get to see the public response to these things. Starmer has half figured out that you can make statements by the hiring and firing of people from this pool into the shadcab (in his case, mainly firing) but he hasn't quite utilised the potential for probing or even amassing public opinion that back benchers can have, nor has he been able to communicate what exactly unifies his own hand picked cabinet. He's just gone and picked people who have name recognition, or some people with relevance in the field, and hopes the viewer goes "I like that" instinctually rather than through any principle or quality that draws the voter to the cabinet member. Voters aren't stupid. No matter which side you're on, people can see the contradictions in the front benches. What's more, people can see that Labour messaging right now is coming from the top down. Why do this? I think he betrayed his mindset recently. He makes changes. Defeat has made him so shaken that he will frantically try anything new, because the last thing failed. It's understandable, because that's the exact spirit that got him into leadership in the first place. He is the party's rebound shag, and this election is the painful realisation that Labour still loves Corbyn. There is no cabinet that can salvage that.
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May 9, 2021 21:08
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If murders making people sad stopped people being mean, there'd be no murders. Even if we follow her twisted logic, it's a plea with absolutely zero strength behind it. What is it a plea for? As far as I can tell, decorum.
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May 9, 2021 21:37
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Did he have any juicy voicemails when he died?
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May 10, 2021 02:38
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I left the party last year and gave my goodbyes in an email. I'm still getting, "oops, you forgot to renew your membership. haha. No worries: here's a link to renew your membership." Emails. I wonder how many of their current members are non members in "oopsie woopsie" limbo.
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May 10, 2021 12:06
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Big John.
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May 10, 2021 12:10
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No one has a mind the size of the universe capable of understanding all reality. Politicians understand realities, as do voters, and the divorce between those realities is stark. And as for the tory reality, there is no contradiction in the fact that Tories are spending. They are not idealists, they are classical realists, whose One Nation principles are built not on a moral or ideological foundation, but on Realpolitik, and the understanding that appeasements made from a position of economic strength can restore their balance of power in the class war. They need a loyal class, possibly a middle class, to become a two in the war of three, and not a bourgeois against the proletariat.
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May 10, 2021 14:51
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Strength without virtue is barbarism. Virtue without strength is frivolity. No one yet has married the two, so we are ruled by barbarians and moralised by empty conjectures.
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May 10, 2021 15:03
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Each idea is a territory, and Starmer handed all of Labour's to the Tories. There was no fight, only concession after concession, and for what quid pro quo exactly? It's shitweak and senseless. The Tories have taken the territory of housing stability, and the territory of youth jobs prospects, and the territory of a way through this pandemic. What does Labour have? Even the Lib Dems had plastic bags and AV when they were operating as a Tory subsidiary. They had the discourse over nuclear power, too. Greens have the environment, and that will be an increasingly crucial territory. Labour has got to claim something, else the greens will fill the vacuum of opposition that Labour leave behind.
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May 10, 2021 15:23
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He's been eating nothing but poo poo this past week.
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May 10, 2021 15:43
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I wouldn't be surprised if he chose a pescatarian diet in an attempt to triangulate.
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May 10, 2021 17:03
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:
There was actually a German leader who proposed invading Britain on the basis of defending the purity of their Nordic heritage. Don't think he would have backed Israel, though.
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Gorn Myson posted:It'll always comeback to "Israel has a right to defend itself". Thats the line. Theres no mention of Palestine being in the same position because they will always be perceived as the aggressors. The United States has not yet recognised Palestine as a state. Nor have we. Perceiving Palestine as the aggressor is a justification after the fact; the fact being that Israel has allegiances. Biden needs to step up. I don't anticipate him doing this, though. The US is Israel's father, and is a trade partner, and there's definitely staff meetings wrt military co ordinations in the region. Also, if nothing else, the politicians care about vote numbers. A large slice of the US going to be incensed by any perceived denouncement of Israel, or support of Hamas. The problem needs fixing, but the Palestinian 'question' in my mind is how?
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May 11, 2021 02:10
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I wonder if change change change wages the jobs jobs jobs.
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May 11, 2021 12:43
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She's a politician. I'd trust her in relativity to those in the profession, but not absolutely.
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If that army in British homes and British workplaces, who believe in a better world, base their activism on whether polls come through one some specific Thursday night, or whether the people around them participate in the same politics, they put the endurance of their actions in the hands of the polls and their neighbors. This concedes control. On the moment the world shows a failure, their endurance runs dry: 2019. If the left wants to fight this, it not only has to look outward at opportunities to claim some victory, but inward at its own psychology. It has to fight it because it wants to, because it will be happier fighting. The left needs to prove it has control of its own mind; not the polls, not the electorate, not the next disaster to strike its collective heart, but itself. That doesn't guarantee success. On Earth, no successes are guaranteed. Few are even reliable. If you can't stand failing, or being mocked, or standing witness to unrelenting horror after horror; it's okay. There's no compulsion to fight. No one's conscripting into the left. It's entirely a choice. But you can. Why not fail on purpose, and realise that the world didn't end? Why not do the most mockable things, and laugh too? Why not stare right at the horror of this planet, stand in it, and hold it. Don't tell the snarklords on the internet this, but the smartest thing a human can do is choose to be as happy as they can be. If you simply find joy in chiseling away at the political world, two things are likely to be true: you'll probably keep doing it regardless of whether it worked, and in a way you'll have been wiser in politics than any spending hours on empty arguments. That's not to say we don't do strategy or bring an actual fight, but your best strategists and fighters are going to be people who love it and who'll keep doing it, no matter what.
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