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peanut- posted:Reading about that Teeside mayor, it seems like he nationalised an airport and got about £300m out of the government for local infrastructure development. This is the most galling thing - the Corbyn era really brought back into the realm of political discussion and possibilities the radical idea that "the government can do things to make things better". That's essentially what led to the surge of Lab support after the 2017 manifest dropped. Then the Conservatives under Johnson embraced that, their chums in the media praised them to the rafters for it while decrying Labour's policies and smearing Corbyn in all the ways. And of course half the Labour party doing the same thing from inside. So now large swathes of the country are seeing an interventionist on-their-side government for the first time in decades but it's Blue. And Labour now don't even have a leadership that wants to commit to that sort of thing on their own terms. Basically the attitude that the poster earlier summed up as: "telling people you'll do things to make their lives better is cheating. You have to promise them that nothing can change because that's what grown-ups do."
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Apraxin posted:Is that not the entire point of a ranked choice system? yeah... "complacency from voters who believed it was safe to put a candidate from a smaller party as first preference"? that's not complacency that's accuracy
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Xeno posted:Extremely depressed today. Shall drink into oblivion. Cheers UKMT. Don't be depressed about Labour getting hosed, it's pretty much the best possible outcome for the Left. The Right took over the party promising to do better than Corbyn and they've unequivocally, indisputably performed WAY worse than even the low points of his leadership. That's a good thing. Seriously, there is NOTHING they can point to as a win for Labour here. Lost Hartlepool, lost multiple councils, over a hundred councillors, lost seats in SocParl, lost voters to the Tories, to the Lib Dems, to the Greens, etc. etc. Any facade they had of being more electable than a Left-wing party is crushed. And if you're worried about the tangible impact to people's lives of Tories being in charge, I wouldn't worry that much. Most Labour councillors are barely or not at all better than Tories to start with. Having a Tory MP/Council/Mayor might actually help bring investment to some deprived areas that they wouldn't have gotten under Labour. And if we do eventually wrest control of the party back from the ghouls not having incumbents like Paul Williamson will be far more of a benefit than a problem. jabby fucked around with this message at 17:31 on May 7, 2021 |
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Keith is turbofucked if Bailey wins London. It's so horrible an outcome I'm almost giddy with excitement.
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JordanKai posted:Has Labour gained ground anywhere this year? Specifically, a handful of Scottish seats where SNP were shoo-ins and Labour were second and Tories were third, where some Tory unionists look to have thrown them a tactical vote. That or Starmer's big genius brain political acumen is working on those exact people & nobody else, idk
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I'd be a bit gutted if Sadiq loses London. Shaun Bailey is proper poo poo.
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So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? Be bloody funny if corbs split off into another party for this and had a party in nandos though.
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If anyone wants some good news in my constituency we won a county council seat off the Tories Our CLP and candidates were all left so it's a further gently caress You to Keith The rest of Nottinghamshire took a battering
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jabby posted:Don't be depressed about Labour getting hosed, it's pretty much the best possible outcome for the Left. The Right took over the party promising to do better than Corbyn and they've unequivocally, indisputably performed WAY worse than even the low points of his leadership. That's a good thing. Yeah, this, seriously
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Kernel Monsoon posted:I'd be a bit gutted if Sadiq loses London. Shaun Bailey is proper poo poo. Sadiq was happy the Tories won in 2019, he's plenty poo poo enough himself. Anyway, https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390706028640079880?s=20 Tories have held Ayr since a 2000 by-election.
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Guavanaut posted:Only Shetland, Orkney, Caithness, and West Yorkshire have the right style flags for that. Although if we're gonna include all flags with crosses on them, it's gonna be a big empire. I'm not sure I'm in favour of empires, given how hard a time the British and French are having letting go of theirs, especially considering that there are some Danes who're still thirsty for the Viking empire. happyhippy posted:As long as we are not swamped by Death Metal bands.
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? If you believe in parliamentary politics at all, some kind of push to PR is necessary for any sort of left wing political party to not die on the vine like every other left party since 1945 Outside of parliament the big thing seems to be tenants unions and eviction resistance since if there's one thing a lot of people can agree on its that landlords are bastards
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keep punching joe posted:Love how the BBC describe a group of fash straight arming as 'making saluting gestures'. In the hall they were just saluting, as shown in the picture. It was outside they were posing for photographs throwing up some nazi salutes.
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Sarwar lost to Sturgeon but the BBC say he's expected to win as a list MSP. Well that shows my ignorance, I didn't know you could do both. I assume Douglas Ross could have done the same thing but chose to only run in the list?
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MikeCrotch posted:Sadiq Khan is not going to lose London calm the gently caress down lol Going from the confidently-predicted easy first-pref victory (some polls had it at 55%) of last month to even needing second-prefs, let alone potentially going into the second round tailing Bailey, would be pretty loving catastrophic. I don't think he's going to lose but I think the fact that Labour are even *thinking* expectation management suggests that it's way, way closer than anyone expected and potentially a bloodbath in the GLA.
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JoylessJester posted:I mean London isn't as much as of sure thing as Labour make out. Ken was an indepdent for his first term, and Boris got 8 years. As far as I can tell Labour have been campaigning on gently caress-all for a year in London. I'm a politics nerd and a London nerd and I have literally no idea what Khan's platform is other than "BLUE MAN BAD VOTE ME". It's straight-up Clinton 2016 poo poo.
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bitterandtwisted posted:Sarwar lost to Sturgeon but the BBC say he's expected to win as a list MSP. Well that shows my ignorance, I didn't know you could do both.
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May 7, 2021 17:44
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happyhippy posted:This Matrix 4 Agent Smith looks a bit weird. he's been watching Bottom imo
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MikeCrotch posted:Outside of parliament the big thing seems to be tenants unions and eviction resistance since if there's one thing a lot of people can agree on its that landlords are bastards We're winning comrades, keep going (do not quote this tomorrow if the Tories get London or Wales) Borrovan fucked around with this message at 17:55 on May 7, 2021 |
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forkboy84 posted:Sadiq was happy the Tories won in 2019, he's plenty poo poo enough himself. Yeah the SNP taking it off CON is good news. e: by only 170 votes, too
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bitterandtwisted posted:Sarwar lost to Sturgeon but the BBC say he's expected to win as a list MSP. Well that shows my ignorance, I didn't know you could do both. Correct, presumably Ross wanted to avoid the risk of losing on the list & looking like a bit of a failure from the off but it really makes no difference, every MSP is as valid as the next.
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The Assassinaton of Labour by the Coward Keith Starmer
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https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390702662987943937 fair play
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? Maybe it will even be the right lesson that you have to offer a clear and positive future rather than just manage the decline. Other than that, it seems like NGOs and action committees like the Peace & Justice Project or more single issue ones might be able to push for changes. Don't forget that any of the good things that Tories historically did and at least four fifths of the good things that Labour did were pushed from outside. The Cairo Forces Parliament, the trade unions, various charities and members' clubs and town halls and nonconformists created all those ideas, MPs didn't genius them out of their own brains. Another world is possible, another world is necessary. tl;dr: Borrovan posted:Imo just continue with whatever organising/mutual aid/whatever activism you're doing
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TBH Bailey winning would be loving *hilarious* because the catastrophic plans he actually has, along with the covid hangover in TfL and the deliberate wrecking from central Government to help him, could actually lead to the entire bus network collapsing in September when the franchises are to be renewed.
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Lmao Holy poo pooGuavanaut posted:tl;dr: 
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As a serious political journalist it's clear that UKIP voters have rejected woke metropolitan elites by voting green
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? It's too early to say - it'll be a couple of days before we know the full extent of the carnage, due to Covid slowing the counts down. I can't really see re-joining Labour as a solution - wouldn't a new left wing leader just be Jeremy Corbyn mark 2? The immediate question is whether the results turn out so bad that Starmer either resigns or gets couped.
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May 7, 2021 17:56
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Is there any way they would bring back Corbyn or one of his proteges? Or is that entire wing tainted by "antisemetism" from the Murdoch owned rags?
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? Enjoy the death of Labour anyway
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TulliusCicero posted:Is there any way they would bring back Corbyn or one of his proteges? Or is that entire wing tainted by "antisemetism" from the Murdoch owned rags? The Labour Right would prefer the party be erased from existence than allow a left winger to lead again. Even if the membership did somehow make it happen we'd be straight back in the position of having a fifth column who control the internal bureaucracy deliberately trying to lose
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? It's not like we're all going to rejoin labour to try to fight for a left wing candidate to take over their shitshow. The only way out is another party backed by the socialist lot from labour and that's... just not going to happen? Keep saying "Corbyn did better" until all Centrists die of rage induced heart attacks, leaving the way open for a left wing revival.
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https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1390711677457403910 I'll have what he's having
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Mebh posted:So as the left what do we do from here? For right now?  We've been told we're neither wanted nor needed, and they're definitely going to double down on the purging, so it's not like there's not a lot else we can do. Come summer when Labour is reduced to three landlords, a union flag with the creases still in it, and a thinktank that has somehow achieved sentience, then we can look and see what we can do with the wreckage thrown clear.
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https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1390712937657028612 https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1390714130592587784 Labour not right wing enough for the Bomb shaggers.
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Oh no keith Staaaarmer https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1390714934095319040
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