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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

Also in regards to twisto's bigpost on the last page:

Not sure if this relevant but one odd thing that was attempted back in 2017, at least by TVP was the specialist entry detective position. It was an attempt to change the entry requirements away from having just meatheads applying by establishing an investigation hub, which was supposedly going to recruit from a different pool and look for officers more willing to do the office based investigation role rather than the physical intervention role.

It would have been interesting (and I mean that in a value neutral sense*) the idea of seperating the force into investigative and intervention roles like that. The idea being that there are a lot of good thinkers out there who would be a huge asset in terms of investigation who are put off by the physical requirements, and also a fair amount of recruits who just want the chasing and hitting without all the paperwork afterwards.

They absolutely hosed this at the last second though, because IIRC it was due to happen just before May's police cuts and recruitment freeze came in, and when it came back up all the existing officers had kicked up a massive stink about ihub officers not having to pass the full physical, and CID detectives also complaining because they all had to come up through uniform, so they changed it.

Which is a pisser because again, you go right back to the force being able to exclude people with physical limitations while doing absolutely nothing to stop the knuckle draggers signing up for their state sanctioned fight outside a pub on friday night.

* As in, I realise there are huge, glaring issues but also it's a very different way of doing things.

It's an idea that's been tried multiple times, although normally they go for an accelerated probationary period in uniform. I think it's pretty common (with or without the short period in uniform) in continental police forces, particularly those where there was no particular tradition of a civilian police force.

I like the idea in principle because these should be different roles best served by very different types of people. I don't particularly want or need Dixon of Dock Green finding tiny traces of hair but at the same time if I'm getting the poo poo kicked out of me outside a pub in Croydon Miss Marple isn't going to be much use to me.

However, my point was more about the fact that a lot of the worst problems in modern policing comes from the fact that we've stripped back almost every other arm of the state, meaning that police are now the front line of our social care system. Like the old saying goes, if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, and if all you have are batons, well, you end up where we are now where the "solution" to homelessness is criminalising it. In fact most police forces *also* recognise this problem (and most individual coppers too, for that matter) but the problem is they'll never actually properly complain about how much of their time is spent on things better suited to social workers, addictions specialists, or just a friendly face to talk to because if anyone actually listened and fixed it their budgets would get cut.

I think I mentioned this before but I genuinely think the PCSO system might be the best compromise way out of this problem. Instead of just using them as cheap high-vis fillers, they should be an actual proper support organisation taking these roles away from the holders of the monopoly on violence. You get the advantages of not sending in someone with a Taser and pepper spray to deal with someone who's off their meds, a situation that never ends nicely for anyone without the usual suspects calling you a pussy for cutting police budgets.

Ultimately it comes back to the Peelian principles and the idea that a police force is supposed to be for the protection of the people, not their subjugation. For me all of the problems with modern policing come from forgetting that (or at least making even less attempt to pretend it's the case) and things that give the police tools to deal with problems that *aren't* violence and imprisonment are one of the ways we can get them closer to that (probably unattainable but still worth shooting for) ideal.

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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PNGYAKUZA posted:

It's honestly the best PR thing they've come up with for him, he's about as plain and boring as white bread meanwhile Boris has this insane clown character.
Unfortunately Keir lacks any charisma whatsoever so he can't pull it off very well

Imagine being too boring to be able to accurately convey being boring.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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kingturnip posted:

Given how many fuckwits farmers voted for Brexit, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some local fuckwit farmer worried an osprey is going to fly off with one of his sheep

No, it'll be anglers no doubt upset that they're not allowed to fish in that one particular place.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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PNGYAKUZA posted:

it's crazy to see basically noone I know my age (~20) have it besides key workers here yet all my American mates have had 2. Admittedly that's cause the US hoarded a lot but still idk if I'll be safe by the end of the year.
Wanted to head to the states around this time next year too but I feel there's no chance if my mum hasn't even had her 2nd and she's nearly 60.

No, it's because most US states basically declared a free for all once vulnerable populations were done and your mates either got lucky or spent hours hunting down available slots. We've chosen a slightly slower opening up but are still on schedule to have offered everyone in the country a first dose by July.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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PNGYAKUZA posted:

ah sound, definetly going faster than a lot of places but how's the 2nd doses going? I know my mum still has only had her 1st despite being a keyworker.

She should have been given her date for her second jab (10-12 weeks after the first) at the time she did her first one (if not, have her ring 119 to sort it out - unfortunately there's no way of booking second doses through the website, it has to be on the phone). That's the other thing that's confusing the figures a lot - the UK prioritised getting first jabs into as many arms as possible as fast as possible for both good reasons (getting 60% immunity to 10 million people is more effective than getting 90% to 5 million, first jabs are easier to deal with logistically so you ramp them up as fast as possible and give yourself time to set up the second jabs) and bad (doing it this way lets you spend 3 months waving the flag about how much quicker the UK's rollout was going than everyone elses).

By the purest coincidence, because there's absolutely no way at all they could have known this was the case when they were setting this up, it turns out not only does the much longer interval between doses not hurt the immunity granted by the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) it actually increases the efficacy of the AZ vaccine that the UK had bet the farm on and that the majority of the UK will be getting.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Gyro Zeppeli posted:

I got my first AZ jab on the 1st March, so my second is due in 2 weeks or so but I've yet to hear anything about it. When should I be calling about it?

Where was it done? If through your GP, contact them, otherwise they should have booked you in for the second one at the same time as the first, so call 119 and speak to them about booking it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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G1mby posted:

I guess we'll have to see - building more homes sounds good, but doing it just by loosening planning rules is no guarantee that it'll actually work. You can have a lot of lofty intentions but we'll have to see what these things actually do in practice.

Any time a politician suggests planning reform as a way of increasing the amount of houses built they should have their home(s) taken off them and be forced to live in one of those roman candle cladding blocks.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Architect's design: Stromberg's underwater city.



Well it *is* 2021. Just watch out for those jerks from Pod 6.

e: Actually that Sealab episode where they all declare independence from each other and the two English blokes sell them all nukes is probably the most likely outcome of relaxed planning restrictions, freeports, and the rest of these Tory policies.

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 19:10 on May 2, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Mebh posted:

So got a bit of a weird one.

House in my neighbourbood that I pass when I walk had a lot of dog barking one day, sounded like puppies. Noticed a very red faced angry woman yelling into the garage "shyaaarrrDAAAAP" where the barking was coming from. She was a cop!

Though ok thats a bit weird. Maybe something going down. Police canine unit car turned up later when I walked back. Was like oh wow maybe they are rescuing doggies.

Hah.

Car is now there every day with police canine unit on our. Its loving cold here so The garage can't be nice. Noticed yesterday when I walked past out in the driveway was a roughly 1m by 1m cage. No dogs in it but the bottom literally caked in dog poo poo.

So I'm fairly sure there's some pretty lovely animal abuse going on here. If they're breeding police dogs that's quite... Something. They get no benefit of the doubt because ACAB.

I looked on the rscpa site where you can report potential abuse and they basically say, look, it's covid, don't ring us unless you see someone literally mutilating an animal, everything is on fire.

The gently caress should I do?

Are you absolutely, 100% sure it's a proper cop? There's a couple of private security firms who take the cop cosplay to a level that has to be getting close to illegal and they loving *love* having "Canine Units", and while police dogs do generally go home with their handlers their vans/cars normally do not.

Either way, yes, absolutely report it but leave out any mention of police, just say you've seen the filthy cage and heard things suggesting problems - not a huge amount more you can do really.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1389192822440579076

This is Lowtax's state representative, what the gently caress are they putting in the water down there?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bobstar posted:

This is the best thing ever. A major step towards stripping the web back to basics. Thanks!

However, I have been lazily relying on an un-logged-in Youtube front page to show me when the few channels I am interested in post something new. Anyone know of a clever way to "subscribe to"/follow certain channels without actually logging in? Thinking third party?

Just log in with a burner account? Who gives a gently caress if they log that johnsmith69420@gmail.com occasionally searches for ASMR videos of people reading Atlas Shrugged?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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bump_fn posted:

should i be telling london people who can vote to do anything beyond either vote for a labour council or not vote

No council elections in London, we've got the mayoral and GLA elections, which at least means an opportunity to make the wonks sweat a bit with first-choice votes. Alas Khan is almost certainly going to walk it on first-choice because Bailey's campaign has been so weak, even by the standards of a party that previously put up Shagger Norris *twice*, and the Adults In The Room as going to seamlessly shift from telling us about exactly how many flags they need to wrap themselves in before The North loves Labour again to telling us how easily won the biggest single election in the country with their carefully-selected tones of nothingness.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

I dunno how the deal went down and its probably naïve to assume anything other than the worst but Oxford set about making a vaccine that anyone could produce and ended up being convinced at least in part by Bill Gates that they needed to partner with 'someone' to get their vaccine to market. Oxford apparently aren't receiving anything financially for now and the astra zeneca vaccine is cheaper than the others and is allegedly being made at cost 'during the pandemic' but theres no oversight on that so who knows.

Its a bit lol that Oxford were in part convinced they needed to do this and that they would be lauded internationally for their expertise. and actually, whilst still evidently a capitalist bullshit drug, its the closest thing to a decent attempt at humanitarianism and their only reward is to have the world say its a deadly blood clot drug and total poo poo lol.

There *is* an argument, given the yield problems that even AZ's own facilities had in the first few months (which led to all that drama with the EU), that there is a lot more to it than just the recipe to get it to bulk production, especially as AZ are the only company on earth with experience in producing this form of vaccine at scale.

The obvious counter-argument to that is that a proper open and collaborative process across a much larger range of facilities would have resolved these problems and possibly even been able to improve the process, and that's where we get to what I think the real problem is - even more so than the mRNA vaccines, which are always going to be pricey, the modified viral vector technique could become the predominant way of producing almost all future vaccines, and giving away the secret sauce there deprives them of billions of future revenue.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Paperhouse posted:

There was some lovely article recently about him which said that he voted for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour in 2017. What the gently caress has happened there

He lied seems like the simplest explanation.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Didn't the former BNP leader say he voted Labour to discredit Labour because he knew how disliked he was? Some years ago, not sure if corbyn or not

Nick Griffin (and, for that matter, David Duke of the KKK), yes.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Necrothatcher posted:



spotted in Walthamstow. That can't be good to find daubed on your washer repair shop.

Good lord, is there any company Ian Austin *won't* take money from?

e: Wait, is that just around the corner from the Town Hall?

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 09:07 on May 4, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Necrothatcher posted:

It's on Boundary Road just off Hoe St.

Oh okay, whew - it looks exactly like the lockup my dad's mate used to own on Kenilworth Avenue, but a quick check on Google shows it's now (inevitably) a Tesco.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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The Perfect Element posted:

Is anyone able to advise on a decent bike for me to buy

Ducati Scrambl-

The Perfect Element posted:

via my works cycle to work scheme?

Oh, right.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Failed Imagineer posted:

E: :argh:


Chidi from the Good Place being convinced he's doomed because he drank almond milk despite knowing the environmental impact, is a very relatable character. Mostly because he's intensely annoying like me

His reaction to the trolley problem remains one of the funniest bits of telly ever made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtRhrfhP5b4

(and once again for others ITT, if you *haven't* watched The Good Place, you need to rectify this immediately. If a sitcom based around the philosophy of ethics, the nature of good and evil, and the existence of an afterlife that manages to make all of it funny doesn't at least intrigue you then I really don't know what to say to you. It doesn't even come with the normal US sitcom disclaimer of "don't bother with season <x>" - even if season 3 gets a bit aimless at times it lays all the ground for season 4 and what might be the most satisfying finale to any television show in history.)

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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therattle posted:

I saw a Beyond sausage the other day which I’ll try. The Linda McCartney Lincolnshire ones aren’t bad (and as a bonus are GF)

Linda McCartney vegan sausage rolls are actually pretty drat good, if a little greasy - certainly better than most cheap meat sausage rolls. I had a vegan hot dog a while back that was certainly passable, too.

I wonder if the actual difficulty with vegan sausages is getting the texture right when they're fried? It seems like they cracked sausage rolls and hot dogs even before they cracked decent vegan burgers,

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/darshnasoni/status/1389542738400620549

Jesus. I knew something was up when the CPS went straight to a murder charge for something that it seemed like they could have easily swept under the carpet as the old "excited delirium", but when even the police pathologist is saying "Yeah there's actual boot impressions in his head" it's a bit hard to claim the usual "difficult situation, immense stress, mistakes were made and lessons will be learned" bullshit.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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big scary monsters posted:

Yeah I was just checking out what happened there too and lol I've rarely seen so ironic a probe reason. The mod is Herstory Begins Now, FI, I don't read US D&D threads so I don't know anything more about them.

That mod *really* doesn't like people being rude about liberals, which suggests they might have just awoken from a 15-year slumber and thinks the only people doing that on SA are the PRON HAUL lot.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Failed Imagineer posted:

https://twitter.com/cruising_utopia/status/1389586774276587524?s=19

What's going on here then? Maybe an electoral opportunity for the LibDems?

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1389541806275190788

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1390021145911513089

Obviously not UK news but holy gently caress this is huge (assuming, of course, there's not some loving *gigantic* strings attached somewhere).

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Nothingtoseehere posted:

Not really? It's Good, thats certain. But it never was a big bottleneck, moreso the deindustrialization of the Global South. And we have no clue how broadly the US will apply this. The stuff this would be most helpful to increase production for is more the generic components and feedstocks, so if it's narrowly around the covid vaccines only and not the supply chain tech it doesn't do much actual good.

I mean it's huge in the sense of this is the US telling large corporations and the entire thinktank blob to get hosed and allowing even the merest hint that human life might actually be more important than profits and IP law, a tiny but very important crack in the great wall of late-stage capitalism.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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I just put a big X next to the Tory candidate so everyone knows I don't want to vote for him. Incidentally I have a new column in The Guardian.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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I'm guessing it's not a great sign for politics that literally the only reason I'm going to bother walking the 5 minutes to the polling station (or rather diverting 30 seconds from my trip to the chippy) is to try and ensure Count Binface gets more votes than Piss-Drinking Man and Kirk Van Fox.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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I've still yet to see a single leaflet from Labour for either GLA or Mayoral elections. Two from the Tories, one novella from the piss-drinker, one from the weirdo Rahman Rump telling me that I need to vote to keep a directly elected Tower Hamlets mayor (there's a referendum going on for that as well as the election). What's noticeable (as I'm at home to see it) is that all of the leaflets that have been delivered have been by the same guys who do the pizza leaflets and estate agent PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TELL US YOU HAVE ROOMS TO RENT solicitations. It's almost as though they local Labour party lack either the cash to pay a fiver per hundred leaflets or the volunteers to deliver them for free.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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There was a queue outside my polling station, something i've literally never seen before. I assume part of that is covid related - normally such queue as there is is only 5 or 6 people standing just inside the door - but interesting to see given the extremely low-energy campaigns being waged by all sides. Also it was cold and started drizzling so I didn't bother voting. I think I'm supposed to feel guilty about that, but the contrast between 2019 when I spent 8 hours walking around Chingford in the pissing rain to today where I couldn't be arsed standing still for 5 minutes is pretty striking.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jakabite posted:

Wait there isn't?

Locals, especially ones with non-FPTP systems, almost never declare the night of the election - less people working on them and a more complex counting system slows things down. The fact that many polls are doubled or tripled up because of covid postponements, and there are going to be even less people counting because of social distancing, is going to slow things down even more. GLA and mayoral elections are expected Saturday night, and some of the smaller races might not be finished until the middle of next week.

The one thing I've not been able to find is a decent prediction of when the Hartlepool result will be in - they'll be counting those votes first, but nobody knows just how much turnout there will be and how much social distancing is likely to slow things down.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Remembered there was an actually pretty important local referendum so went back to vote - queue was even longer, but the reason was pretty special. I dunno how universal this is, I assume fairly so, but in times past the people doling out the papers would be divvied up by the first letter of the street/block to simplify checking off voters as they arrive.

However this time they've decided to divvy it up geographically, with one desk handling the entire estate that the station is in the middle of, and another desk handling all of the new developments around it, which you *might* be able to justify by saying there's roughly the same amount of houses, but there's a *very* different population both numerically and socially. This meant all the "luxury flat" lot got waved straight in, while a 20-person queue took half an hour to shuffle in.

Now I'm not saying this is both a deliberate attempt to open a two-tier voting system with the middle classes getting Business Class treatment, nor that this makes it much easier for ballots from certain people to be conveniently lost especially if the referenda* look like going the wrong way, but I can't come up with a single other explanation as to why they've done it this way.

* There were two - one I've already mentioned, to ditch the directly-elected mayor and basically permanently secure Labour having executive power in Tower Hamlets, and another one about adopting a new local planning system that looks good on the surface - limiting new developments outside of Canary Wharf proper and *finally* using the ~£1bn s.106 precepts that LBTH have hoarded to start building new actual proper council housing, but the devil is very much in the details, in particular that they absolutely refused to put in a guarantee that they wouldn't demolish or infill the existing council estates. The current council has a lot riding on both of these being passed and I definitely wouldn't be surprised at all if there were shenanigans to ensure it does.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Gonna be funny if the Communist gets in to the regional with the votes of us pissed off lefties - that's what I voted (and why) for the regional :redhammer: :ussr:


ed: I thought Jayda Fransen was in jail? (I mean obviously she's not if she's yelling at Stugeron).

Fun fact - I live in the only place in the country to have elected both a Communist Party councilor *and* a BNP one (albeit more than half a century apart). Millwall really is a land of contrasts.

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Dec 31, 2004

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serious gaylord posted:

I wonder if this will be as gleefully reported on as the people who hated corbyn was?

It didn't happen entirely in the head of someone writing a tweet in between submitting expense claims, so no.

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Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status/1390388896433942544

Extremely bad news that we *still* don't have quarantine or test trace and isolate sorted out so the Indian variant is just ripping through care homes, but cautiously extremely good news that even at only half strength the AZ vaccine meant it caused no deaths* and only a small amount of serious cases** in an extremely vulnerable population. Obviously it's a very small sample but still encouraging.

* The infection fatality rate for care homes is an eye-watering 36%
** serious as in requiring hospitalisation, although none required ventilation (over 50% of infected people in that age range normally do and of those most will die)

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Bobstar posted:

Yeah, that too. The whole response seems to have treated it like norovirus (I think?), where touching objects infected people have touched is a big thing (which is apparently called "fomite transmission"), and that viruses expelled from the mouth fall harmlessly to the ground in a 1.5m radius around the infected person.

This article goes into some of the same points:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/how-public-health-messaging-backfired/618147/

Fomite transmission is a big thing for most flu and rhinoviruses, in some cases actually considerably moreso than airborne transmission, so concentrating on hand hygiene first wasn't a *stupid* way to go, but by mid-March it was abundantly clear that fomite transmission wasn't the most common method.

Bear in mind that almost all pandemic planning is based around flu viruses because a) every major pandemic of the 20th century apart from AIDS has been a flu and b) it's really tricky to plan for a virus that you don't know about. OG SARS and MERS both didn't have enough spread to definitively say how they got around (and almost 18 months in there's *still* argument over how effectively SARS-CoV-2 spreads via droplets (which do generally safely fall to the floor after 2 metres or so) versus aerosols (which can travel much greater distances - one of the things that makes Foot and Mouth quite so terrifying is that it can spread several hundred metres, and in some cases multiple kilometres, from an infected herd).

The biggest argument is still over the mask thing and whether the WHO and individual national authorities should have gone with a "just chuck whatever you've got over your mouth" advice early on would have helped or hurt. Telling people to wear proper surgical masks, let alone full respirators, would have just killed even more medics - even the most paranoid of nations wasn't stocking enough masks to give out a half dozen or so to every single citizen, and the rush for them would have made the home baking and bog roll supply situation look tame.

It's not as simple as saying "Anything is better than nothing" *particularly* as the wrong type of face covering is actually worse than nothing - obviously things that block too much air are just going to not be used properly (or cause people to pass out), but also certain coverings aren't small enough to stop aerosol spread *while making you breathe harder and so expel more aerosols* - had covid been predominately spread by aerosols (and again, we're still not 100% sure about that) it's entirely likely badly-worded advice would have actually increased the spread. This would also be the case if the virus was easily spread by fomites - not washing/disinfecting your hands and face before putting the mask on and taking it off would also potentially have increased spread (this is why mask-wearing still isn't mandated for flu, and the much-vaunted Asian habit of winter mask wearing doesn't actually change their flu rates that much.

Ultimately for me the biggest failing was and still is the lack of a much more aggressive move to get people out of workplaces and schools and (particularly) off public transport - no matter how it's transmitted these are the plaxes it was provably being transmitted the most. Shutting down almost all of the non-essential economy with a 100% furlough scheme, proper assistance to companies and employees to get WFH working where possible, and concentrated TTI in those areas where these weren't possible, would have saved tens of thousands of lives (and jobs for that matter), but of course all of this seems like CommieNaziStatism and also would require someone to actually pay attention to poo poo, so was never going to loving happen.

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Tesseraction posted:

Also I just know those motherfuckers will reveal the results I care about ('artlepoool and the Lahndan Losers) 5 seconds after I go to bed.

London's not due until Saturday evening at the earliest so I wouldn't load up on the pro-plus just yet.

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https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390438316990943233

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jabby posted:

Honestly the extent of the loss feels almost like a good thing. I was wondering if they'd be able to spin it as simply Brexit voters going home to the Tories, but it's blatently obvious he's lost a huge amount of 2019 Labour voters too. This isn't just a 2019 result without Brexit, its way, way worse.

Exactly this. All the Fubpees were getting their "Well Corbyn only won because of the Brexit Party" excuses in last week - if they'd lost only a thousand or even 2 thousand votes over 2019 would have probably let them hold onto that, but this is a really loving clear message - thousands upon thousands of voters that Starmer and his flags and beers had been actively wooing were lost.

It's obvious the next take is going to be it's NIP's fault (they could be said to account for the lion's share of the lost vote) and that they and Momentum, by not wanting to campaign up there, are the real problem and it'll be used to double down on the war on the left, but at this point that's probably a good thing. Let them have their Pasok.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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peanut- posted:

Just in case you had any sliver of doubt about how this will be interpreted

https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1390532351411773440

This is definitely going to be used to remove OMOV for leadership and NEC elections and return to the electoral college, to ensure a coronation for Burnham. Don't be fooled by the occasional good things he's been doing in Manchester, he's just another Blairite but this time with a regional accent, and it'll be that latter they'll claim is the important bit.

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Most people aren't racists, they just believe racist things. That is, they believe the racist things without any underlying framework because that's the idea that the tabloids, both main parties and the BBC have generally been pushing and they believe it as received wisdom, rather than from any self reflection. For a lot of people they generally fall away when there's a counter narrative.


NIP got 250 votes.

Oh lol I just glanced and assumed the IND with 7.5% was them. Whoops.

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