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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


hahahahahahaha

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

very relevant considering Marxism's problems in real world implementations. medicalizations are useful, but problematic, metaphors

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

comedyblissoption posted:

a classless ppls revolution but only for the fellas 💪

I think this is what split the first internationalie?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Yossarian-22 posted:

What nation has a "basis" of any kind?

SERBIAN CLAY

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Albanian autochthony.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Yossarian-22 posted:

What nation has a "basis" of any kind?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Yossarian-22 posted:

Your first paragraph shrouds America in the same exceptionalist uniqueness and mysticism that its apologists and nationalists use, namely the whole "nation of immigrants" shebang, even as you try to denounce it. Austria-Hungary had a similar claim to national pride as a multi-ethnic empire, and Franz Joseph spoke seven languages. Franz Ferdinand even had a bunch of scholars surrounding him who proposed a "United States of Greater Austria." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Greater_Austria

I don't understand what demarcates "shared experience" and "common history" and what doesn't. Yugoslavia surely had a shared history before its borders arbitrarily changed. Montenegrins and Kosovars had common histories with Serbs until they didn't. I suppose the Soviet Union wasn't "a real nation" either? Most nationalists and communists in the Middle East and Africa have to deal with the arbitrary borders that they were dealt as a result of Sykes-Picot and the Scramble for Africa but they generally try to make it work anyway.

If peasants with insanely different ethnic/cultural/linguistic backgrounds hundreds of miles away from each other can a socialist nation make in China and Russia (and some people vulgarly will insist that these were just fronts for "Han or Russian chauvinism" even still), I don't see how this is impossible simply because the Americans had to cross large bodies of water before they became American subjects.

United States of Greater Austria was an excellent way to neutralize Hungarian nationalism and unite the disparate ethnic groups of the empire. It may not have lasted, but the monarchy could have got a lot of life out of casting themselves as the protectors of the transylvanians, slovaks, croats, ukranians, etc. against the hated Hungarian.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

PSL campaigned for Gavin Newsom in the recall, right?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


Oof. I'd feel like I wasted a lot of time in the theory classes if what followed was organizing and door knocking for mainstream liberals.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


watch as democracies support the return of the Romanovs as an anti-putin ploy

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

https://twitter.com/CharOfTheWastes/status/1468912363755634696

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Mr. Lobe posted:

I don't know if they had fun being here or not but I always considered them the sharpest debater in the thread

I don't think apropos of nothing even posts in FYAD anymore either. It is sad.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

A USSR covering all territory between Gibraltar and the tip of the Kamchatka Peninsula would, demonstrably, have advanced marxism and/or socialism further than it did historically.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

what sort of times produce sissy hypno?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

some of it is interesting but critically the math problems are extremely basic, it’s the ratio of shillings to pence to pounds that trips me up

like it’ll be “the worker is paid 5 pence daily which works out to 2s3d(????) per week”

the pence:shillings:pounds thing makes more sense as something before the invention of cheap and easy calculators because the customary ratios had more common factors and so could be divided evenly without remainders

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

mila kunis posted:

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Marxism, is in fact, Engelsism/Marxism, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Engelsism plus Marxism. Marxism is not a framework of political economy unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Engelsism system made useful by the Engels translations, correspondences and vital system components comprising a full framework of political economy as defined by Ricardo.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

it’s been a decade or so since I’ve read it but I think beevor’s book on the SCW was fine. he definitely covers Spain preceding the second republic as I can remember an amusing story of the (then) last king of Spain getting his car stuck in the mud

e: like he definitely has an anti-communist and anti-Stalinist bent to his analysis but if you want basic facts and overview of the war it’s fine

e2: Spain in our hearts is also very good but focuses on the American volunteers and FDRs complicity in Franco’s victory

absolutely adore that the americans who fought with the Spanish Republicans and returned to america after the war were entirely frozen out of command roles in the US army even though they were among the only people available in the US who had any experience of modern war

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

V. Illych L. posted:

they were considered politically unreliable. it's an important consideration for a state that its officer corps be loyal to the regime, so it's imo just a consequence of the US being a bourgeois state. veterans of spain were also systematically denigrated in social-democratic countries like norway and denmark, which is imo more galling.

also known as "left anticommunism"

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Epic High Five posted:

I remember vividly a discussion I had with a guy where I asked him "and what do we do when we run out of oil?" to which he responded "God will fill the Earth with more for us to extract"

To this day it's been the best single sentence summary of the anti-materialist worldview, liberals obviously obfuscate it more than that but that's the root of it. It's why the rate will always fall and why when we hit serious scarcity it's going to be something no system is prepared to deal with beyond smashing the "Time For Fascism" button that is the shorthand for bourgeois democracy in crisis

the abiotic oil people are great (not great)

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

BillsPhoenix posted:

Past few years in the US, many different food manufacturers have artificially increased their pricing because they're greedy. There's implicit collision and evidence of explicit collusion to allow this.

And they're raking in more money. I'm avoiding the terms profit and value here intentionally.

But it's happening, for real.

What would Marx call this?

nothing because he is dead

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