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not to sound flippant but what's the utopian goal of christian socialism? the global liberation of labor followed by the international proletariat abandoning their faiths including all the incorrect christians?
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Apr 6, 2023 17:00
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so do the nonchristians need reeducation because otherwish simply allowing people to destroy their souls and even worse influence the souls of others sounds like liberalism
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Apr 6, 2023 17:26
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croup coughfield posted:something i'd also like to emphasize is that "taking care of the poor" is not really relevant to socialism per se. socialism is about society's organization as relates to the means of production. it is not about sharing, or taking care of each other, or making everyone be nice or whatever. not to clown on az specifically, it's just something i see a lot. "jesus was socialist! yes, im afraid we should refer to christian socialism by its true name, christian trotskyism
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Apr 6, 2023 18:17
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" grinds my gears for a lot of reasons but foremost because its rooted in this misunderstanding that i ultimately find muddies an already pretty complicated subject.
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i would say that instead of hr forcing people to watch presentations about how to best protect the company, they should hold political education seminars at workers coops
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Apr 7, 2023 18:12
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i want to know how the ownership structure works for WinCo, which is a giant worker coop grocery store all pver the west. what i'm able to find is that the stores are majority owned through a stock participation program, which is mostly focused on the employees enjoying a robust retirement savings. seems like thats going to hardly budge the needle re workers having a shift in class
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Apr 7, 2023 18:28
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imo we should all read nore mao when it comes to raising the consciousness of the masses and providing political education
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Apr 7, 2023 20:08
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heres a good article https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_10.htm quote:We must lead the peasants' struggle for land and distribute the land to them, heighten their labour enthusiasm and increase agricultural production, safeguard the interests of the workers, establish co-operatives, develop trade with outside areas, and solve the problems facing the masses-- food, shelter and clothing, fuel, rice, cooking oil and salt, sickness and hygiene, and marriage. In shots, all the practical problems in the masses' everyday life should claim our attention. If we attend to these problems, solve them and satisfy the needs of the masses, we shall really become organizers of the well-being of the masses, and they will truly rally round us and give us their warm support. Comrades, will we then be able to arouse them to take part in the revolutionary war? Yes, indeed we will.
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Apr 7, 2023 20:17
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croup coughfield posted:so i guess my next question is what should be done about all the middle class people who, through the uncontrollable vagaries of birth, are intrinsically unable to shed their illusions regarding the nature of class struggle? what we call the middle class in america also have material problems to solve. they have bills to pay, struggle with food insecurity transport etc. even if they think all their problems can be solved by voting for the right guy. what is needed is to nurture dependence on socialist organization and change behavoir towards seeking connection rather than alienation
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Apr 7, 2023 20:23
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i mean if your question is what is to be done about suburbanite petit bourgeoisie they can either submit to reeducation or well whatever the other option would be
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Apr 7, 2023 20:50
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atelier morgan posted:i feel like if mao could identify a dozen classes in revolutionary china we can probably do better than lumping all the american middle classes into 'petit bourgeoisie' and writing them all off youre right, i was being flippant because of my personal grudge against the suburbs. i accept this criticism, and that i have done wrong and need to make up for it
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Apr 7, 2023 21:24
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the more i think about it the more i wonder if we are wasting enormous revolutionary potential by worrying about the cities and their suburban enclaves at all. ive lived for years in the urban decay of new york, i grew up in portland and survived its capture by capital, and now i live in a rural "city" of about 20k. what ive learned from living here is that there are already vast mutual aid networks (and not just through churches) and workers who are keystones in the community who could easily become friendly to the revolutionary cause (for example, my workplace is 80%+ unionized) ben shapiro is right, if we want to sieze power in america its not going to be through the liberal mileau of the city. we, as marxists, need to lose our attachment to urbanity if we are going to progress on america
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Apr 7, 2023 22:18
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Centrist Committee posted:what are some good references for how to actually do class analysis ill take my answer of the air thank you https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_1.htm
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Apr 7, 2023 22:22
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croup coughfield posted:there was an earlier link to mao doing just that. i dont remember if it went to this specifically but its the man himself breaking down the aforementioned classes he's identified in china in 1930. ive read a lot of theory many years ago but luckily ive devoured descartes and dont really need to refer back to specific literature very often
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Apr 7, 2023 22:29
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is regular maoism ok
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Apr 7, 2023 22:32
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what is this dnd "western workers get a permanent -6 modifier to class consciousness" poo poo
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Apr 7, 2023 23:09
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i dont read, im an anarchist
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Apr 7, 2023 23:12
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its something to talk about
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Apr 7, 2023 23:31
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hmm hmm curious there's only 2 leftists in cspam
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Apr 8, 2023 01:25
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could probably start a communist logging collective around here and as a bonus piss off the green anarchists
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Apr 8, 2023 02:16
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this is just national socialism
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Apr 11, 2023 01:49
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it is not bourgeois to collect a paycheck in exchange for your labor as your only income no matter how stupid worthless or evil that labor is, by definition
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May 2, 2023 01:25
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genericnick posted:Not 100% on this. Are NYT oped writers really payed for their labor or is the relationship more akin to a minor second cousin of the house of Winsor getting a stipend? some people just want to watch the world burn.........
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May 2, 2023 01:48
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In Training posted:well nepotism of that kind would mean the labor was basically unnecessary, since they presumably already have passive income in the form of family wealth & investments. so they act as a willing mouthpiece for the ruling class instead of becoming a class traitor and giving me $10,000,000 to establish the US Marxist Class Analysis Institute but this i feel is a good answer. i actually went back in and ninja edited "only source of income" in that post for this situation
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May 2, 2023 01:49
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its the only thing they enforce (top down)
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May 2, 2023 22:26
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trots
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Jul 29, 2023 17:40
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Cuttlefush posted:things trotsky wrote =! trots i know, just a fun word to say
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Jul 29, 2023 17:43
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materialism is fake, the world is held together by vibes. discuss
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Feb 14, 2024 21:31
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lumpentroll posted:human nature yep, humanity can never build socialism because of human nature. case closed
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Feb 14, 2024 22:08
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dead gay comedy forums posted:"Human nature" reminds me how there's a certain type of liberal who simply can't work without an anecdote. There's no direct historical case to be analyzed in its real terms, something that can be worked into actual substance. the word my buddy uses for this type of mentality is "perfectly spherical" for example "well hamas attacked israel first so theyre the bad guys" is an example of a perfectly spherical liberal position
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Feb 14, 2024 23:01
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To get really annoying about it another way to describe the phenomenon is as an empty body without organs: libs shoot their lines of flight all over the idea of "israel vs palestine" but its a completely empty idea, because theres no material reality to tie their idea of i/p to, only a series of unstructured narratives that move, frictionless, over the surface of an idea that cant and wont hatch
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Feb 14, 2024 23:06
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Feb 15, 2024 02:57
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youre asking what would happen if nails instead went up if you hammered them. its a nonsense argument
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Feb 15, 2024 02:59
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but yes im sure capitalism could theoretically be the most efficient system in the omegaverse or whatever youre on about
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Feb 15, 2024 03:01
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im just a demon though you should probably listen to the people itt who are trying to help you
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Feb 15, 2024 03:02
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[sliders portal opens up and billphoenix returns to the perfectly frictionless market dimension, armed with new information]
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Feb 15, 2024 04:55
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im sure his frictionless spherical utopia will emerge some day
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Feb 16, 2024 18:44
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once the invisible hand figures out how to create a perfect pareto efficient marketplace, you will all be ashamed of your words and deeds
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Feb 16, 2024 19:03
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a fun mnemonic device i invented to remember what pareto efficiency is, is that you pare to the maximally efficient trade in the market
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Feb 16, 2024 19:44
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Son of Sorrow posted:More efficient at what OP
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Feb 20, 2024 23:09
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Dreylad posted:I can't imagine spending 4 years on a degree and then realizing that they never covered or barely covered the fundamental engine that drives pretty much all modern economies and may not even have given you any real way to analyze it. bitcoin?!?!
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Feb 20, 2024 23:19
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