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Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Deified Data posted:

My main gripe with CPUSA right now is they've got some pretty agreeable statements out there supporting stuff like decolonization and denouncing chauvinism, which is fine, but it seems like every member I come across has a different idea of what this means if they don't just outright disagree with it. Everyone seems to have had the same idea of "let's join CPUSA and drag them in our direction" with the chauvinists being the most recent effort. No one seems to respect their program and everyone wants to influence a new one.

i won't say anyone should join cpusa, but i think it's a good sign when an org is a site of struggle and people are joining it to change it for the better, assuming it actually has structures where members can see themselves as part of a collective that makes decisions about What To Do, instead of yet another avenue of individual self-expression.

no one can be a communist all by themselves. even joining a reading group is a step up from complete isolation.

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Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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the point of theory, organization, and podcasts alike, is as grist for me to explore and express my precise positions and identities without needing to make the smallest compromise.

all this politicking...joining large organizations full of people i'd have to convince, and risk being convinced by, all while building structures that bind us together to the results of our decision making process, and actually making those decisions, those endless determinations of what we collectively think, are capable of, and intend to do...it's nothing but compromise! it's nothing but falling short of my ideals, over and over, down into the muck of material!

that's why i join nothing, and remain as pure and enlightened as a stylite, although some fellow travelers and i have been writing an anonymous journal about how truly principled leftists should remain hostile to all attempts to take state power, especially successful ones. also i've taken up gardening and making electronic music.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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AnimeIsTrash posted:

We should all post our favorite noble savage takes itt.

dave graeber's last book had been well-received in some quarters. apparently some cultures had different political structures in different seasons, and this had nothing to do with their material conditions, needs, or opportunities being different across those seasons, but actually those folks were just having fun, just doing whatever they wanted, like a totalizing form of guerilla theater or maybe a society-wide flash-mob. hopefully we can recover this delightful sense of playfulness which has been crushed out of us by the man/capitalism.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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"There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say," returned the nephew; "Marxism among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Marxist-time, when it has come round - apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that - as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

When "leftists" think that the masses are unthinking dullards who don't understand their own self-interests, it's probably because they're insufferable pricks who don't understand how to communicate.

look, it's tough to kill an elephant

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Pentecoastal Elites posted:

They're not begging for anything other than more tepid Democrats to vote for

that's only one component of membership in the bay area, and i assume in a bunch of other places

by default i am glad to hear about the salt caucus because hopefully it'll get more people motivated to remove the "demcent ban" from the org's bylaws, which are another remnant of its antisoviet past

but i wish them luck in Being Normal, a lot of DSA caucuses have trouble with that

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Gene Hackman Fan posted:

Why not? Say something loud enough and often enough and reality will bend towards it given time.

there should be a word for this belief in the power of belief. beliefism? ideasism? we'll come up with something.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Marxism: The Awakening

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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marx adopted and inverted hegel's dialectic. in much the same way, 3e adopted and inverted d&d's Armor Class

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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FrancisFukyomama posted:

CPUSA maintains fraternal relations with the CPC, CPV and PCC so occasionally their boomer steelworker leader takes a break from phonebanking for Tim Ryan to get flown to beijing and hang out for a week with top level CPC officials to discuss world communism

cool

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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you're telling me this guy was anti-communist? just like vladimir putin?? :fuckoff:

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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CoolCab posted:

when I was reinstalling everything because of my very smart computer choices, I observed that all the installs for software I would describe as "good" - does the job and well, effectively uses resources, broad cross comparability and functionality etc - your 7zip style software - all had websites that looked like they came out of 2002. to contrast all the terrible software - slow, gigantic ( icue was north of a gigabyte and literally all it does is run LEDs lol), insanely resource heavy for what it accomplishes and generally limited to extremely proprietary function - had websites that clearly cost tens of thousands of dollars with a million animation scrolls and cute frame tricks etc etc.

yeah, and speaking as a web guy, it rules. lets focus on the industries with real problems such as, the ones that don't pay me.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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tokin opposition posted:

The solution is obvious: reject modernity, embrace HTML+CSS+Marxist Thought

no no, im sure there a type system or edge distribution network that can fix this. it might seem scary and complicated but, when you consider the value i deliver, my rates are very reasonable.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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tokin opposition posted:

i am developing new and more annoying political tendencies to revive the thread

is "anarcho-dengism" a thing yet

yeah, that guy who tweeted that every household should raise 40 chickens

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Atrocious Joe posted:

doing new organizing in my workplace, what union should we affiliate with

maybe none, if that's one of the lessons we should take from the Amazon Union

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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lol

well, i admit, deadly five elements martial arts could only improve leftist debates

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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AnimeIsTrash posted:

reading books is gay

ehn, it's not that great imo

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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The Voice of Labor posted:

I don't think engineers and doctors are going to want to move to a country where abortion isn't legal and 1/2 the population is in prison

lol especially at this. what do you think the approval ratings for these policies are among licensed professionals? the maintenance of a felon underclass benefits them! the reduced independence of women benefits at least half of them!

these policies exist to split a section of the working class out so that they support the state coalition. america was founded and has been sustained by telling the surplus male population of europe "grab what you can and we'll support your tiny princely rule of it." kill natives, shoot trespassers, beat your wife, invade and overthrow everywhere we aim you at, and teach all your sons to do the same. golly gee, why would anyone take that trade? didn't they realize it would make them monsters?!

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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The Voice of Labor posted:

I bet you putting a stop to "overpopulation" is a lot more popular of a notion than arfticially increasing the prison population

i don't know what you're comparing here. for starters, all prison population is artificial.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Fish of hemp posted:

I really can't understand why anybody would base their political identity on that Stalin made mistakes and Soviet Union wasn't perfect.

because, due to thorough atomization and depoliticization, they think "politics" is "i feel morally and intellectually superior to someone" and have latched onto historical trivia which grants them this feeling.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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so you're saying you have seen them on strike lines

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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SorePotato posted:

WSWS puts out so many stinkers it's not even worth having them in the feed

the last time i checked in on them they had a series of articles about how Gerald Horne was wrong about everything. "the american revolution was good, actually. settler colonialism helped a lot of people get to work on time."

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Principles of Communism is a better intro than the Manifesto in my opinion, especially for readers today. and it's just as short.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Phigs posted:

I have a question of definition.

A few days ago I mentioned the spiritual aspects of communism in the Ukraine war thread and it caused confusion because I was being dumb and didn't actually mean the usual meaning of spirituality. What I actually meant was akin to the higher tiers of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, aka those aspects of fulfillment that are not material, or "physiological" as Maslow coins it. Yesterday I read Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific and there's a passage in it that basically summarizes what I mean so I know it is an idea already in communist literature:

So, is there a word for this that doesn't carry the baggage of spirituality? How do I talk about it without confusing people with my dumb word choices?

this seems like humanism to me. but the question is how would it come across to lther people.

i mean, you mention maslow, isn't the "highest" need in his hierarchy labeled "self-actualization", or "fulfillment"? does that work? (it sounds a bit individualistic to me)

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

Roland Boer

Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners

9789811616211, 9789811616228

Is this it? You can find it.

i made a rogan-brained extended family member buy me this for secret santa. i recommend getting it that way if you can.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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I like Principles of Communism , it's short and clearly written. a good person won't agree with all of it, but that's Engels for you.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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if market economies were more efficient, why wouldn't firms with internal markets outcompete and be more common than ones that run as command economies, instead of the reverse, as we observe?

this isn't necessarily a rhetorical question, i assume the capitalist priesthood has some answer to it and i'm interested to hear about them.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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mankiw? didn't he have a radio show?

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Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

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tristeham posted:

i know someone who makes bags for hermes. she makes barely above the minimum wage.

less extreme case but i'll never forget a friend of mine in the Anchor Brewing Union telling me that an hour of loading kegs of beer on a truck paid them enough to buy one (1) beer at a Giants game

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