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Engels had a lot of weird and Problematic stuff going on that it still surprises me that the brainless chuds and vampire-funded think tanks all focus like a laser on Marx. Still mad at him for revealing the blueprints to the masses of the system they were trying to install as the natural order as ordained by God I guess, though they won out in the end in our corner of the world. Communist Thoughts posted:Trying to explain NFTs to Marx He certainly would've been aware of the tulip mania so I doubt he'd be shocked. The urgent caution against ever letting middle men and rent seekers gain power in an economic system isn't a Marxist thing in origin though, that comes from both religious instruction since the beginning of recorded history as well as the earliest pro-Capitalism thinkers like Smith. The need to cut this warning out of economic thinking is why we have the Austrian and Chicago school types and their children who are even more clueless in charge of everything now.
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Imagine how robbed of theory and intellectual accomplishment the world would be if there were an equivalent to Hearts of Iron IV back then. There's no way he wouldn't have been playing it 16 hours a day.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:22
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AnimeIsTrash posted:<historical figure > would ahve been just like me fr fr af That's true, and extends back to the emergence of behaviorally modern humans. It's an unfortunate blindspot people have and I'm glad you've acknowledged and risen above it.
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Sep 8, 2022 16:26
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samcarsten posted:i am demanding the ultimate marxist take: can one apply the dialectic to Tolkiens works? UNUSED AUDIO COMMENTARY BY HOWARD ZINN AND NOAM CHOMSKY, RECORDED SUMMER 2002 FOR THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING (PLATINUM SERIES EXTENDED EDITION) DVD, PART ONE
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Oct 4, 2022 17:29
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Here's what you need to know about LotR - Tolkien was a linguist and those people are all nuts. Everything was just an excuse to make and use Elvish.
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Oct 5, 2022 17:14
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Marx is the Bene Gesserit, Kropotkin is uhhhh the Honored Matres
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Oct 8, 2022 04:08
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Computer is like automation. Can be good but won't be in our lifetimes, so no sense in pretending its malignant outgassings like social media are worth preserving.
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Oct 12, 2022 02:02
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:a british person Disgusting
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Oct 19, 2022 17:51
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He's trying to trick liberals into reading his stuff. It's called praxis.
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Nov 17, 2022 01:29
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All the proof I need that DaVinci did make a working time machine.
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Nov 21, 2022 19:04
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croup coughfield posted:one mans experience i guess but i see it all the time. online more than anywhere else, though a buddy of mine irl is possessed of this insane idea that russia is actually being shadow controlled by the remnants of the soviet power base lmao. he is awaiting the day where the simpsons meme gif becomes real like millerites wait for the end of days The pressing desire to find some sort of win for socialism in this conflict between three factions that openly and proudly despise socialism and persecute its adherents has broken a lot of brains. Like yes Putin is ex-KGB, but not every commie cop is our good friend Raphael Ambrosius Cousteau and Putin's whole thing was that they should focus on making money instead of all this betterment of the human condition nonsense. Epic High Five has issued a correction as of 18:48 on Nov 22, 2022 |
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Nov 22, 2022 18:22
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You cant just say you would argue something and then not argue it in the Marxism thread, that's secular heresy
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Nov 23, 2022 00:24
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croup coughfield posted:its been 30 years, i don't think theyre gonna do the meme I dont know what any of this means but I will say this: you miss every shot you dont take.
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Nov 23, 2022 00:55
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croup coughfield posted:he thinks the russians would retvrn to socialism if we give the petroleum oligarchs more gas profits and i think thats stupid and not worth arguing with Oh that lol, yeah pure magical thinking
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Nov 23, 2022 01:53
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I wish I was a little bit taller
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Nov 23, 2022 21:27
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MeatwadIsGod posted:You can always follow in the footsteps of our favorite Spartacist He really is the perfect Trot, I'm glad he's got a huge platform to be crazy on
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Dec 8, 2022 01:19
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It's a movement that's basically a retirement home for people who don't want to give up reactionary cultural stuff. The PSL seems good and is nominally Trot-aligned iirc. The rest are pretty cringe.
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Dec 13, 2022 18:11
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my dad posted:A communist, alone, on an island, is not a communist. That's right, he's the murderer.
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Dec 13, 2022 21:31
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The Harvey lectures are good to follow along with it as well, but yeah what you'll want is a group to read it with. The lectures are on youtube and coincidentally make up a good structure for reading assignments for a group.
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Dec 25, 2022 18:29
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actionjackson posted:thanks gently caress'em. The internet isn't high stakes or important, and nobody is ever bringing that stuff up because they're "here to learn" or whatever. Ignore them or poo poo all over them, whichever is easiest. The figure comes from Victims of Communism, an org dedicated to rehabbing the image of Nazis and who hate Communism because the USSR executed Nazis instead of rescuing them and putting them back in power. They're morons who take pride in just knowing stuff without thinking about anything, if you wanna get your head right you can't give them any space in it. edit - they also aren't fans for the usual sort of reason you see people who fuckin' love genocide and cleansing campaigns still oppose this bodycount they thought up, that it was TRULY oppressive because it didn't allow megacorps to come in and run things on behalf of a ruling class of landlords. Just look at what we've built with the world stage all to ourselves after all.
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Dec 25, 2022 18:39
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CRAZY KNUCKLES FAN posted:guy i knew in hs ended up becoming a marxist-leninist in college then worked for a FAANG right when he graduated so y'know, anecdotes and all that. Sometimes what the theory teaches you is that you can live on easy street if you know the rules and aren't really committed to the whole betterment of the human condition thing. The OG capitalist baron types definitely read Marx. So has Cramer and Sinema.
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Dec 26, 2022 06:42
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Cpt_Obvious posted:It does make one wonder why it was ever "abolished" in the first place. I assume it has something to do with industrialized workplaces causing a lot of injuries. If a worker gets his hand stuck in a metal press, just fire him and get a new one. If a slave gets his hand stuck in a metal press, he's gonna cost a fortune to replace. Ironically enough, this means slave owners have more incentive to protect the physical fitness of their laborers than employers do. Offloading keeping your workers alive to the state and thus taxpayer funds is probably very appealing to someone for whom the state has arranged it so they pay almost no taxes. As mentioned though it had to go as a primary economic mode because someone needs to buy all this poo poo. Financialization is the movement to move past people needing to buy things and it should come as no surprise that it only started gaining steam when we got a few generations removed from anybody being in charge who had any idea what was going on.
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Dec 26, 2022 20:11
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This is also why "I just want to reform capitalism" tends to get laughed out of the room in non-anarchist spaces. You've already got what you want why are you here lol. Having management doesn't make an enterprise capitalist, management is just another skill to learn like any other. Follow the money.
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Dec 26, 2022 20:27
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It's just a tool of analysis. It's useful in all kinds of contexts and can be used for evil as well as good. One of the main side effects of learning to think materially is that a lot of popular media is ruined for you if you can't just step back mentally and enjoy some schlock, especially video game writing. It's also a good way to really confuse people by saying stuff like how you have a lot more respect for Bezos than Buffett
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Dec 26, 2022 20:45
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PopZeus posted:how do non-Labor Theory Value proponents claim profit is generated? is it only a function of price/supply/demand to them? Magic and making things up. I think the current brand of copium is "basket of goods" which is an idealized form of the broader economic methodology of just adding and removing stuff from their analysis until they get the output they want A more serious answer is that they believe value is created in the exchange of goods rather than their production and the state exists to iron out the contradictions this belief comes up against
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Dec 26, 2022 20:47
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Comrade Koba posted:lenin obviously hard at work writing another article about how much kautsky sucks Doing God's work that man
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Jan 12, 2023 18:00
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In a lot of places "trot" also means "the ideology for old heads who are too tired anymore and don't want to give up the social conservatism stuff." Like you can have all the theoretical and historical basis in the world but that's just not how political identity works for most people.disaster pastor posted:truth. one thing I keep getting hit in the face with while reading leftist stuff now is just the overwhelming sense of "I could have learned this in school and they deliberately left it out." I don't mean the real commie stuff, obviously that wasn't gonna fly, but there are some basic ideas (and some basic facts!) that got omitted because they made socialism look less bad, or made capitalism/the US look less good. and if you don't go seeking that poo poo out, all the inertia in your brain is the junior high "oppression vs. freedom" patriotic bullshit masquerading as history or social studies One thing I always think about whenever this sort of thing comes up was how in one of the book threads, when Grapes of Wrath came up, a goon mentioned that at their nice liberal arts prep school they were assigned to read it but were told they could skip the intercalary chapters lol. Apparently it's a not uncommon take among book sickos that they're just useless fluff which is wild to me.
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Jan 24, 2023 18:13
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Almost nobody you will ever talk to will understand or recognize any distinctions. If you want to be a lefty you can either be a shop burning property terrorist child or a Stalin kissing radical, which is fine, I'd absolutely give Stalin a little kiss, what an ice breaker at parties! This notion that what you call yourself matters is why most become electoralists despite not having a party that wants anything to do with them beyond their wallets. If you're trying to convince people you say you're an independent and hit on the themes but say none of the words people have been trained to shut down upon hearing. Being able to do this is why reading and understanding theory is important.
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Jan 24, 2023 21:09
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If you're consistent even a little and happy with grunt work behind the scenes every single socialist org has a place for you. If you've got spreadsheet and bureaucracy skills you'll be leadership in months in a lot of them, if that's your kind of thing. A treasurer you can trust and is a real believer is very nice to have around. Provided you aren't a cop or landlord or similar of course. I personally find that people who have the ability to reflect on these things and come to the conclusion that they're not a super hero Protagonist and instead worry about how they'll be putting other people off end up doing just fine. Socialists tend to be a welcoming lot, not many people want anything to do with us.
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Jan 26, 2023 03:02
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MTW isn't a get out of work free card, you've still got to force contradictions and unrest so the actually revolutionary sphere of the world can have a bit of breathing room
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Jan 30, 2023 17:22
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I believe it's still the case that the IRS categorizes it as "unearned income" and you'd be surprised at how many people you can make mad by calling it that
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Jan 31, 2023 00:44
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Things would be a lot wilder if Engels had the lathe of heaven
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Feb 14, 2023 21:15
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I watched some Beau video awhile ago that was linked somewhere and my recommendeds for the next 3 months always included the video he did that day, which 90% of the time read like one of those Snopes articles to the tune of "Yes it may be factually true that Joe Biden once twirled his thin moustache before blowing up an orphanage, BUT" No clue about his personal ideology or whatever, I assume it's just bog standard neoliberalism with a different background. I'm sure there's worse people around but if you're wanting to radicalize people versus making them a small bit unhappy with a small part of the status quo, I wouldn't think he's got much to offer. Wolff is a better general recommendation for actually getting people to think about things even if I have my own issues with him. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 29, 2023 16:29
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John Charity Spring posted:it's the guy who tried to sue the forum for discriminating against him by banning one of his accounts and not letting him post porn or something. the "many different users state they do not like or want me posting" guy As an addendum, he's also the reason why Jeffrey added clarification that if anybody is aware of someone suing him, to please let him know, as following a longstanding tradition on these forums he found out about it here first
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Apr 1, 2023 00:08
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I wouldn't trust whatever some dumb app spits out. Just show it to some people among the intended audience, ask them what they think the gist of it is, and adjust as necessary. If that person thinks they can do one that is free of ableism or whatever tell them to go wild and see if their stuff's up to snuff, but if 99% of people who drafted it think it's fine and especially if it's time sensitive then calls for delays should be weighed against your responsibility to membership to not be a ramshackle org incapable of sending out even a simple memo or meeting minutes.
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Apr 29, 2023 02:09
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Probably don't go hollaring that they're a wrecker tho, it'll definitely cause a disrupting delay and it's way more likely they're just way too online and saw a tweet from some dumbass.
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Apr 29, 2023 02:46
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Raskolnikov38 posted:my notes for one of the early chapters has in the middle of it "I swear if this is just the most tedious way to explain that disruptions interrupt the flow of the production process" Whenever I'm doing a reading of it or something like it with someone, I usually say something along the lines of "once you feel like you get it, just skip ahead to the next bit, this is his academic work and the eggheads aren't happy unless you explain everything 17 times" Never tried to tackle 2 or 3 tho, they may be proof against this strategy Think they should've spent more time on the editing and less time on the ChatGPT prompt here
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Jul 20, 2023 01:58
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Aug 9, 2023 20:14
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If the question is, "why didn't the rate of profit fall when the CRA went through and wages were raised?" I suppose my response would be "Did the median worker wage actually go up, and if so how much?" Beyond that I'm having trouble grasping what you specific question or quandry is here, you seem to agree that the ROP drops and this is well supported, and explanations provided for why profit falling is as baked into Capitalism as profit seeking is, so I'm not sure what the missing piece here is. Also as DGCF pointed out, a lot of the terminology and concepts Marx worked with were already in use by Smith and Ricardo, and would still be use regular use today if not for the post-WW2 consensus that materialism was to be stripped from all public and academic spaces. This is something that is abundantly clear in other ways like how fully financialized societies are incapable of interacting with the wider world in a coherent way, but it's also a whole different thing from this entirely I think. Epic High Five has issued a correction as of 00:23 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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I remember vividly a discussion I had with a guy where I asked him "and what do we do when we run out of oil?" to which he responded "God will fill the Earth with more for us to extract" To this day it's been the best single sentence summary of the anti-materialist worldview, liberals obviously obfuscate it more than that but that's the root of it. It's why the rate will always fall and why when we hit serious scarcity it's going to be something no system is prepared to deal with beyond smashing the "Time For Fascism" button that is the shorthand for bourgeois democracy in crisis
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