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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


social democratic hitler is a good username

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013



fyad is being exposed to more theoRy than ever before

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoiyIrOW6zg

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Crusty Nutsack posted:

perhaps the probe reason isn't exactly "don't say that please," but that's what we've been doing?

that's what's happening in this thread. people are saying the r-word and are getting short probes.

they're also comparing the mods to Bill Gates and getting long probes

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Personally if I was extremely sensitive to jokes where I'm associated by extension with pedophilia, I would not be part of the group with a long history of members turning out to be pedophiles, nazis, nazi pedophiles, and so on.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

when did trotsky ever close a door

goddamn

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

When you saw only one set of footprints,
It was then that I carried you.

That's my Marxism.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

1. Ignore Celot
2. Do not reply to Celot posts
3. I predict this will improve material conditions in the thread

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

this is a conspiracy by dnd to make us say the word but I say GET BEHIND ME SATAN

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Volga Bulgars almost got 'em.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I just hyperventilate so much I pass out, and that stops a panic attack for sure.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

"mindfulness" is just some poo poo white people made up. yeah I do mindfulness all the time, it's called CONCENTRATING

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Lyon posted:

unrelated and naive question, what do marxists think about crypto and its ability to potentially replace our existing financial and monetary institutions? it seems like removing control of these institutions from the hands of the wealthy and moving it to defi might benefit but it doesn’t really solve the issue of wealth inequality. would a decentralized financial system within a communist/socialist form of government be worthwhile or what happens to currency in general?

it's an elaborate scam that's categorically incapable of substituting the financial system because everything is priced in dollars and values are so volatile they're useless as everyday currency. PASS.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Lyon posted:

i more mean conceptually not the current existing coins, more about decentralized finance in general perhaps rather than specifically crypto coins.

Hypothetically there are good cryptocurrencies, but the internet is an entity that can be manipulated unilaterally by the US government. The second it seems like you might have an alternative finance system developing, they will pull the rug out from under you.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The hippies were pretty reactionary if you dig underneath the surface level liberal appeal of "free love," which was more often than not an excuse to trick women into accepting your philandering. When hippies tried forming communes to realize their utopic visions they almost all turned out to be absolute disasters where an insular clique ruled over everybody else with an iron fist. Liberationist rhetoric isn't a substitute for political discipline, and if there isn't a structure to check reactionary tendencies & petty tyrannies then the most charismatic people will take advantage of everyone.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Leftists these days are evenly spread across the spectrum too.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Imagine is a utopic vision and should be rejected on principle due to its lack of scientific socialist rigour.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Hodgepodge posted:

60s counterculture had its true believers

I don't doubt that a lot of people believed in it, but there's nothing inherently revolutionary about personal liberation from bourgeois norms or the aesthetics that come with it. The hippies could get away with attempting radical social experiments because their middle class backgrounds afforded them years off to gently caress around. Even white kids who did engage in truly radical politics were relatively let off the hook because they had "promising futures." Subcultures can never be truly transformative because they're defined by their relationship to normativity.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

"The Voice of Labour": uh, drugs are cool y'all

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

the freedom to post ccp (chipmunk child porn) is the cause celebre for cspam's liberal freedom fighters

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Voice of Labor posted:

pacifica radio, pot growers and environmental activists represent a substantial part of the american left for, like most of the 80's and 90's. if anyone in the u.s. knew or cared about what was going on in south america, or asia or even within the united states it was because they were hippies or hippy adjacent. so broaden that, make it so that anti-interventionism/anti-imperialism is considered the normal position rather than the extreme far left position. why does this notion trouble you so much?

what the gently caress are you even talking about?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Remember when Ad Busters put out the call for action that became Occupy and it immediately got away from them, or how the DSA was transformed almost completely from its Harringtonian roots? All the legacies of the left from the 80s & 90s were so useless that when a new mass of people became interested in socialism or left wing radicalism, they immediately started moving in a completely different direction from what came before. Voice of Labor frames this like it's a marathon race, but it's more like the hippies and pot growers were running in the wrong direction and now the contemporary left has to make up for lost time re-figuring everything out.

None of this is to say that Occupy or DSA are great or anything, but even complex life had to start from the primordial ooze.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 22:40 on May 30, 2021

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Even the godawful "peoples' microphone" was too much of a government for them, which is part of why the "activists" responsible for CHAZ made sure it'd have no governing whatsoever.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Do Sex Alot

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ardennes posted:

I guess CPUSA is still around but technically it should be banned.

why ban a party that keeps endorsing Democrats?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

Didn't a sound cloud rapper declare himself the president of CHAZ

Yeah, he used it as an excuse to extort people on the street with his goon squad.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The elemental quality of the CHAZ was that they were gonna have no democracy, no cops, and support & protect private businesses.

How is this not anarcho-capitalism?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Has anyone followed this game from an ideological perspective? Civ has always been thoroughly shot through with a lot of end of history liberal dogma (up to making "Liberalism" in Civ 4 a tech that gave you an extra free tech to represent its promethean boost to human development) and has certainly spread some unhealthy ideas about human history, so any counter narrative with the same scope would be good, though I don't think this will really be it...

I dunno about this Humankind game or whatever, but iirc in Civ having a communist government gave you production bonuses. I just checked the wiki for civ 6 and that still holds. You get defensive bonuses for the military and a slight production boost.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 19:24 on May 31, 2021

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

A lot of posters in this thread had an anarchist phase before accepting Marxism. Myself included.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yossarian-22 posted:

death to hippies and also teetotaling moralists itt

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Despite all the attempts by the Soviet Union to curb alcoholism and smoking, you could still be an antisocial piece of poo poo chain smoking alcoholic. So what is really the problem here? That you're being forbidden from engaging in vices or that a problem is being recognized at all?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Being reflexively defensive because people recognize a problem with antisocial drug use is a liberal mindset. Go be a libertarian if you don't want people telling you what to do. I shouldn't have to qualify any of these posts by saying I smoke weed too or any of that kind of "no guys, I'm cool, really" bullshit appeals to your sensibilities. Parties ban fraternization and antisocial drug use precisely because it creates more problems when people have sex with the wrong person or get wasted when they need to be depended upon. The idea of appealing to the public with a peoples' carnival is definitely appealing, but that should be kept separate from the serious concerns of political action.

I don't even really get what the problem is here. Aren't we always framing legalization of pot in terms that explicitly recognize what a plague on society alcoholism and opioid abuse are? Why should we just assume that a socialist society would have an uncontrolled culture of vice? Again, that's a libertarian sensibility.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Victory Position posted:

this is a pretty quick turnaround back to CHAZ, as it did try to present itself as a people's carnival in most aspects

The Party needs to be territorialized, but you can't territorialize a party.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

bagual posted:

antisocial drug use is a public health issue tangled with mental healthcare and should be treated as such, addictive and debilitating drugs such as opioids cocaine and meth should absolutely be destroyed mao-style, but where the gently caress did you get the idea that communist parties ban fraternization? every leftist congress i attended had parties after the days work was done, the communist party people went wild like everyone else, the only thing the organizations made sure was that it was structured and didn't interfere with whatever serious thing was being done

i'm not telling you i smoke weed to seem cool or fit in or whatever, i'm telling the truth, you on the other hand seem to have some idealization of communist iron men who don't party or have sex with one another, ofc nobody's going on benders during wartime but that's not the way things are most of the time

sounds like libertarian advocacy for an uncontrolled culture of vice to you?

I'm not replying to you, I'm agreeing with you. When Americans talk about bans on "fraternization" we're referring to frowning on sexual affairs between organization members, not social events and parties. Organizations already have enough problems with internal politics without also throwing in relationship drama to the mix. And like what's already been pointed out, there's too much of a danger of sexual abuse in hierarchies when you're not frowning on sex between members. We've had multiple organizations get rocked by sex abuse scandals where the party has covered up for high ranking members or important spokespeople.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Victory Position posted:

Conversely, where the ruling apparatchik are, in fact, also a polycule,

Which happens more than people would like to think.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I took hydrocodones a couple years ago for some dental work, and it was only enough to get me high for about an hour. That poo poo was so good, if you offered me some right now I'd immediately jump at the chance. That's the kind of strictly controlled and exclusively medical regulation a socialist society should have for opioids. You just need to trust that once empowered, the people will be able to come up with sensible drug policies that are draconian for the really dangerous stuff while also encouraging responsible use of the fun stuff.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Lightningproof, it's not ok to have sex with your students.

"Oh wow, so I can't have sex at all, huh!?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

the DEA and the ATF but woke

problem?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF8TSHN-JDA

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Making opium illegal just gave the British more money to make Chinese society worse.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Hatebag posted:

I think all physically addictive drugs (alcohol, meth, heroin, etc) shouldn't be used by anyone and the state should provide free treatment programs to help get addicted people off of them. Massive interdiction programs and cop poo poo doesn't work and if your goal is not having a society of drug addicts why bother with what doesn't work?

None of the participants in America's global drug war are actually interested in eliminating illicit drug use, and especially not the United States itself. Looking at the failure of these policies to do what they say on the tin is taking it all at face value. These trades are only nominally illegal because they're effectively managed by 5 Eye intelligence agencies as a source of funding they can keep off the books. If "interdiction programs and cop poo poo" didn't work then the Opium Wars would have never happened. Interdiction only seems to not work because First World drug wars are an elaborate Kabuki performance which masks the underlying imperialist agenda.

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