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I'm very confused. Before we pile on, I'd like some clarification from the OP. BP: Are you critiquing the tendency as wrong because it doesn't account for the phenomena of racism and sexism, or are you critiquing it because it's right despite not accounting for institutional bigotry? Either way, Marx definitely did account for those but I think it would be helpful to understand the direction you're approaching from.
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Feb 6, 2024 22:34
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Socialism is too expensive because it doesn't incentivize innovation.
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Feb 14, 2024 22:26
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BillsPhoenix posted:(In a perfectly competitive, no barrier, theory world) BillsPhoenix posted:In theory perfect world, profit would be limited to a minimum of zero? Al! posted:the word my buddy uses for this type of mentality is "perfectly spherical"
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Feb 15, 2024 01:51
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edit: dumbass
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Feb 15, 2024 02:13
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Respectfully, I don't think he's ready for the dialectical approach yet. BP, to make this a bit easier, you're mistaking profit with surplus. They're not the same thing. Any enterprise, under any mode of production, can produce a surplus where the value of the product is greater than the value of the inputs (indeed this is the point of the process). But that's not profit. When the surplus is taken by the capitalist for himself under the auspices of "return on investment", that act of theft transforms surplus into profit. This profit is transformed again into capital by the capitalist when they purchase more productive property with which to produce more surplus and then steal that additional surplus as additional profit. This cycle is the core mechanism of capitalism. There is no capitalism without it, meaning it is the sole raison d'etre of the capitalist. There is no motive but the profit motive. Because there is more than one capitalist, this means they're all in mortal competition with each other. If your flow of stolen profits slows or stops, you can't transform as much into capital to buy more property. Barring some random chance event, you will continue to fall behind your competitors whose profit flows continue to multiply and grow, and they will eat you, and then you will become a regular jackoff like everyone else and have to get a real job. So the capitalist is as trapped in the cycle as the worker they exploit, eternally reaching for monopoly.
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Feb 15, 2024 02:34
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More efficient at what OP
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Feb 20, 2024 22:57
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BillsPhoenix posted:Not calling you out, just wanting to note I'm not the only poster here that doesn't find that question crystal clear. Answer my question, please.
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Feb 21, 2024 00:52
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Fine I'll bite BP: What is the first question?
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Feb 21, 2024 01:30
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Is it like The First Question or just something I don't remember from upthread?
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Feb 21, 2024 01:30
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:mfers just dont know to read multiple nested independent clauses that may or may not be someone marx is quoting rather than something marx is saying, most likely a mixture of both (and you wont know which) I know which.
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Feb 23, 2024 18:38
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Let me get straight to the point: Raise your hand if you've killed the cop in your head. Good.  Now, raise your hand if you've killed or are killing the German in your head. Many of you are asking "w-what...?", "lol are you serious?", etc
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Feb 23, 2024 18:44
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BP should be permitted to post imo. He's dumb and annoying and poorly educated but that's no different than anyone else in this forum.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:15
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Except me. I'm lovely.
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Feb 23, 2024 21:15
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The question of whether and how one can recruit American military personnel is putting the cart before the horse. In order to answer it, you'd need to know the conditions in which a revolutionary socialist organization they could join operates. We don't have that, obviously (at least here in the States). Furthermore, it's my suspicion that we won't really know anything useful about those conditions and interactions without there actually being one we can analyze, being that there hasn't been a serious socialist movement in the US in like a century. To my mind the more relevant question is how knowledgeable and committed anti-capitalists can develop and grow a stable and focused party, and whether enough those actually exist to wrangle together.
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Feb 27, 2024 17:34
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BillsPhoenix posted:Lmao a thread full of philoshers can't identify Douglas Adams. The only Douglas Adams I'm aware of are the Hitchhiker's Guide guy and an obscure linguist. When you get off probation, can you link to some of their work so I can get a better idea what you're talking about? Unlike the know-nothings and ne'er-do-wells in this thread, I am happy to discuss and educate further.
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Feb 28, 2024 23:06
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How are we supposed to have fun if you idiots chase off all the schizos. Do better.
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Feb 29, 2024 02:28
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The core motivation for western socialists is being a hater.
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Feb 29, 2024 19:26
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GDP is a measurement of the production of only one commodity: money. That's why poo poo like derivatives and other financial instruments are included in it, and why it's effectively unable to represent actual economic productivity (the production of needed physical goods and services). To me a more ideal metric would be the measure of aggregated social need met by domestic production, which would require a rather radical reformation of society.
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Mar 5, 2024 22:25
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Juche economics
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Mar 5, 2024 22:28
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What if the coat was made by a chud, huh? What's Marx got to say to that?
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Mar 8, 2024 19:18
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BP is right and the thread lacks the fortitude and moral clarity to accept it.
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Mar 19, 2024 17:29
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Hefty Leftist posted:capital is perfectly readable if you stop being a gigantic baby about it
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Apr 2, 2024 00:20
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Comrade Koba posted:best metaphor for the united states of america i've ever seen
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Apr 24, 2024 16:05
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AnimeIsTrash posted:hows it feel knowing that your entire ideology can be defeated by showing people graphs like this Wow, socialist Bill Clinton!
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May 11, 2024 17:55
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BillsPhoenix posted:These are based on a series of previous posts. Ultimately when you're talking about the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, the machines themselves and their specific nature are irrelevant. It would function exactly the same with a workshop full of artisans as it would with an automated gigafactory, as long as the capitalist owns both. The tendency of the rate of profit to fall is a consequence of the competitive nature of capitalist social relations. If you're a capitalist making and selling keychains, you're going to be driven by the profit motive to make your keychains more cheaply, because that increases your profit margin at the same price point. Every time you figure out how to do this, everyone else who makes and sells keychains is going to take that idea and do it too. Then one of you is going to decide that you can take a smaller cut off each unit in order to gain more market share and make more profit in volume, because capitalists must compete with one another for higher profits or be eaten. Before you know it, now everyone who makes and sells keychains is doing your thing and the market reaches a new equilibrium at the lower price point. You're right back where you started, so when someone else comes up with a new way to make cheaper keychains, you're going to adopt the same strategy. This continues on and on in a never-ending race to the bottom. The core foundations of capitalism - competition and the profit motive - are the spring from which the tendency flows. You can try to expand the system by opening up new markets (the impetus for colonialism and imperialism), for example, but every strategy contains the same poison pill of diminishing returns. Market saturation and supply/demand are environmental forces both driving and reacting to this process.
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May 11, 2024 18:09
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