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Hodgepodge
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it was nice when there was a thread where people put some effort into reading marxists and talking about communist history

somehow the mods managed to take a situation where a poster had a problem with another poster who happened to post in that thread mostly and instead of just resolving that they destroyed the thread completely

good work all around, i love all of you so much

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Between depriving a man of one hour from his posting and depriving him of his life there exists only a difference of degree. You have done violence to him, consumed his lulz. Elaborate euphemisms may conceal your intent to kill, but behind any use of power over another the ultimate assumption remains: “I feed on your rolfs.”

Hodgepodge
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Just loling here that someone convinced FA that "cretin" is ablist:


quote:

1779, from French crétin (18c.), from Alpine dialect crestin, "a dwarfed and deformed idiot" of a type formerly found in families in the Alpine lands, a condition caused by a congenital deficiency of thyroid hormones. The word is of uncertain origin. By many it has been identified with Vulgar Latin *christianus "a Christian," a generic term for "anyone," but often with a sense of "poor fellow." Related: Cretinism (1796).

Oh no, he might have insulted a group of people from 200 years ago by using a term which includes them in the human and Christian community.

Literally a term that was used to remind the user and listener that those affected were still human like everyone else, lol.

Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 02:24 on May 19, 2021

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tokin opposition posted:

What are the material conditions for the internet? Correct answers only plz

just gotta finish sending some bitcoin via smoke signals then I'll be right on this q

Hodgepodge
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lol i was pretty impressed for the first paragraph or so of that post before i figured out the 1 was a citation and not a typo

Hodgepodge
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technology creates new solutions.... and new problems

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

brains don't work that way. it's a developmental disorder

"developmental" implies that the condition primarily affects proper growth and learning

lissencephaly is fatal and in the best cases, those who suffer it may with modern medicine be able to smile

no one has it in mind when they say smooth brained, and the only reason people think otherwise is they want to use the existence of those who suffer from it to score points in a game of gotcha on a message board

if being disrespectful to those who suffer it is the concern, equating "smooth brained" as used here with lissencephaly should be a permaban.

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indigi posted:

holy poo poo it's real??

lol yes

albeit not as a condition anyone would connect the term to if they weren't trying to play gotcha

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Stairmaster posted:

surely there must be a better poster than this

in principle yes, but better posting has yet to be observed in nature

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The hippies were pretty reactionary if you dig underneath the surface level liberal appeal of "free love," which was more often than not an excuse to trick women into accepting your philandering. When hippies tried forming communes to realize their utopic visions they almost all turned out to be absolute disasters where an insular clique ruled over everybody else with an iron fist. Liberationist rhetoric isn't a substitute for political discipline, and if there isn't a structure to check reactionary tendencies & petty tyrannies then the most charismatic people will take advantage of everyone.

60s counterculture had its true believers, but it was doomed to be stripped of any serious critique in favour of an easily commodified and purely aesthetic politics. the boomers had a lot of anxiety around selling out, mostly because a lot of people who had sold out needed to convince themselves they hadn't/someone else was worse.

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vyelkin posted:

also trotsky had the brilliant idea of "no war, no peace" which was basically neither sign a peace deal nor keep fighting and the germans said lol okay and just kept advancing into russia with no organized resistance until the bolsheviks figured out how stupid trotsky's idea was

historical fiction premise: trotsky is a liberal who traveled back in time to "save" the soviet union

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AnimeIsTrash posted:

Do you think that trotsky would travel forward in time to prevent you from making posts like these?

lol like he would stop poo poo; he'd That Guy all over this thread, and we'd be unable to shut up

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Despite all the attempts by the Soviet Union to curb alcoholism and smoking, you could still be an antisocial piece of poo poo chain smoking alcoholic. So what is really the problem here? That you're being forbidden from engaging in vices or that a problem is being recognized at all?

it seems the tension between "we know what's best for you" and "gently caress you dad" was never fully resolved in the soviet system

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As a point of comparison, my understanding of historical monastic Buddhism includes plenty of cases where male and female monks worked and practiced together. If a couple fell in love, it was understood that it was fine, you just went into the lay community as ordinary people (but with social support and a good rep from having been monks). Both sexual relationships and children aren't really compatible with a monastic lifestyle, but they aren't bad things, the monastery is part of a wider community in these cases.

Hodgepodge
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ah yes, the great socialist utopia of drug warriors

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Organized crime seems like it would be one of the fastest ways for a capitalist state to nucleate within a socialist society.

Other than having a lucrative market with no controls on it, in which case you skip the part where it's a crime.

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Ardennes posted:

It pretty much shutdown every small time dealers and started seriously eating into available retail space until point there are shops on every other block. (Some have to be laundering money)

But also, anecdotally speaking, I don’t think it was great for the mental health of a lot of friends who developed a psychological dependency with limitless cheap supply. That said, I would say the same thing about alcohol being too cheap as well.

I wouldn’t have a issue with just giving people a certain amount of weed every month but if there was a cap.

i think there's some unexamined stuff going on with the whole "yes, i come up with my ideas for public policy from anecdotes and bellyfeels" and "i am extremely interested in using the state to micromanage the use of traditional drug war targets as a proxy for deciding what is best in life for imaginary others."

Hodgepodge
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we used to time machine to ask aristotle if weed is conductive to the good life. we're still working on the translation because he answered after hitting a massive blunt and was coughing a lot.

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Ardennes posted:

Honestly, it sounds like you're afraid of the nanny state (shrug). It has never been difficult to actually find weed in Oregon, the question is if they should be a unregulated but authorized for-profit market.

you can get it on the black market is not exactly an ace planning strategy on any level. sans capitalism (which exists to capture markets of this type for the upper class), if weed is legal than its the people who are currently the black market who supply it. If weed is not legal, those people are hoostile targets you have chosen for the state apparatus.

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Ardennes posted:

I would say decriminalization solves that issue since the state doesn't really care either way at that point. The question really is if you have a for-profit market or not. A socialist state could have a non-profit market for weed but it would likely have some type of restrictions.

market design is probably a better way to approach the issue, for sure. i know little about the subject, but it seems like once you're willing to look at what sort of organizations are allowed to enter into the market and in what terms is seems like you'd have a much more powerful and relevant set of tools than "too much drug bad." like, the whole relationship between the customer and the provider can look very different in any number of ways once the whole dynamic isn't subsumed under the profit motive.

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The Voice of Labor posted:

tbf, oregon just passed an onerous tax on tobacco and a minimum price for alcohol that almost doubles the price of bottom shelf liquor (while leaving the cost of anything that passes through my bourgeoisie hippy dilettante lips unchanged) . hating the poor, but in an especially patronizing way is kinda the prevalent attitude.

like, the mindset that thinks someone on the margins starving because all the substances that give them a brief reprise from their misery, subsequently also necessary for their survival, have doubled in price is some sort of moral good is real perverse, but it's also real common. libs gonna lib

yeah, its the same here in bc in many ways. nicorettes are almost $20/pack of 30 because they are "nicotine products"

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its largely adulterated with liberalism, its hard to find any that hasn't been stepped on a few dozen times along the supply chain

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if you expand your mind without adding to it it just ends up stretched out real thin. like a balloon 🎈

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this is like some prophecy fuckery poo poo

quote:

TRUMP
Thou losest labour:
As easy mayst thou the intrenchant air
With thy keen sword impress as make me bleed:
Let fall thy blade on vulnerable crests;
I bear a charmed life, which must not yield,
To one of intellectual facilities functioning.

BIDEN
Despair thy charm;
And let the angel whom thou still hast served
Tell thee, Biden was from his cognitive abilities
Untimely ripp'd.

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Cerebral Bore posted:

at some point i thought that anarchism could be cool but then i realized that the anarchist explanation for why they haven't ever really succeeded in overthrowing capitalism always boiled down to "well we tried but then we got crushed by those evil capitalists/communists/whateverists" and upon about half a second of further thought i realized that maybe this implies some kind of fundamental impossibility of their position and that's when i decided that this whole anarchism business is actually very silly

there is a way

through communism

well hypothetically, but dissolving the state is the end goal

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Mr. Lobe posted:

That sounds like one of those things that you'd see on a conspiracy theory meme with the iceberg and different levels of derangement

It'd be one of the deeper tiers for sure

It would not be difficult mein Fuhrer! Nuclear reactors could, heh... I'm sorry. Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plantlife. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country. But I would guess... that ah, dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided.

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I used to think that too, but the spigot won't turn off once those balance sheets are secured. So one of the places all that extra money will go into is commodity markets.

lol until i read this i though the first world would never see a revolution, but that's like a textbook "thing that triggers unexpected revolution" right there

not until we've all suffered and the most vulnerable among us die though

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its not complex. social justice ends where their privilege begins.

there really is nothing more to it.

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larry parades through cspam in triumph, confetti and cash raining on the cheering crowd

before him the mod team trudges in shame, pelted with rotten fruit and old fishmech posts

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The Voice of Labor posted:

how revolutionary, on a scale of 1-10, would you say a trail mix consisting of rock salt, dried garbanzo beans, and khat leaves is?

it could potentially severely dehydrate a single bourgeoise

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indigi posted:

wtf is a khat leaves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat

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i was curious about context and it's from an open letter to american workers so he's being more rhetorical than analytical there (with some bonus irony about dividing up stolen lands that he was probably aware of though):

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/laboraction-ny/1945/v09n05/lenin.htm posted:

The history of modern civilized America opens with one of those great, really liberating, really revolutionary wars of which there have been so few among the large number of wars of conquest that were caused, like the present imperialist war, by squabbles among kings, landowners and capitalists over the division of seized lands and stolen profits. It was a war of the American people against English robbers who subjected America and held it in colonial slavery as these “civilized” blood-sucker,s are now subjecting and holding colonial slavery hundreds of millions of people in India, Egypt and in all corners of the world.

Since that time about 150 years have passed. Bourgeois civilization has borne all its luxuriant fruits. By the high level of development of the productive forces of organized human labor, by utilizing machines and all the wonders of modern technic; America has taken the first place among free and cultured nations. But at the same time America has become one of the foremost countries as regards the depth of the abyss which divides a handful of

brazen billionaires who are wallowing in dirt and in luxury on the one hand, and millions of toilers who are always on the verge of starvation. The American people, who gave the world an example of a revolutionary war against feudal subjection, now appears as a new capitalist wage slave of a handful of billionaires; finds itself playing the role of a hired assassin for the wealthy gang, having strangled the Philippines in 1898 under the pretext of “liberating” them, and strangling the Russian Socialist Republic in 1918 under the pretext of “protecting” it from the Germans.

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america, a great grift built atop a great theft

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