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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
I’m trying to think of an analogy that cspam regulars would understand and I think this thread is if like a local DSA had one obnoxious trot who would never shut up and made all the meetings awful because the whole thing just became arguing against his obnoxious bullshit, so he finally moved to a new town and started a new group to “teach people about socialism” but it’s actually just his very specific brand and everything he said was mostly just rehashing arguments with the DSA people that they were no longer there to argue against

what I’m saying is that Jokic and Curry were easily the two best offensive players in the NBA this year and it wasn’t particularly close

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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
if any of you poor souls want to understand basketball at a deep level, I recommend this excellent YouTube channel. has both breakdowns of contemporary players and an amazing series analyzing the greatest peaks, so if someone says “don’t you think Kobe was the greatest ever” you can have some info to tell them they’re a loving idiot

this is the most recent one:

https://youtu.be/iuO1iGP5L7I

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

this is a thread that should be free of ideological censorship from fantasy sports fans. go make a fantasy sports thread and talk about how good Curry is there . this is about real
basketball

and yes jokic started playing defense and magically his team did better amazing

how does everyone else in 2021 manage to sound coherent posting from their phone and you come across like the TimeCube guy posting via SMS from a rotary phone?

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Comey Homie posted:

if anyone asks me about Kobe irl I'm calling him a rapist

that's right

he used to get boo'd every time he touched the ball in denver during his trial in colorado so it was real gross seeing him getting fondly remembered by current nuggets players

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

Jokic In your list is fine btw

he had a rocky start to the year but finished strong

[arrested development narrator voice] in fact, Jokic averaged a triple double to start the year

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
hey euph remember when you were hopeful that jamal's injury meant that Embiid had a better chance of being MVP because the Nuggets would move down the standings lmao

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

no you made that up . I never said anything like that

(possible a drunk post but I doubt it)

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

mastershakeman posted:

Top 10 all time all around players in order, ranked
1 rodman
2 Jordan
3 wilt
4 LeBron
5 pippen
6Hakeem
7 David Robinson
8 Tim duncan
9 artis Gilmore
10 kareem

i know the stats blog post you read about rodman and it was a well-reasoned post, but a lot of it doesn't hold up to stuff we know now. it's heavily based on this all-in-one stat called "Wins Produced" that was made by one absolute crank who thought Kevin Love was the best player in the league with Andre Drummond behind him

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Yossarian-22 posted:

I tried to figure out which NBA player retired on the best high note (Kobe taking 50 shots at the end of a terrible year on a non-playoff team doesn't cut it imo) and the best I could come up with was David Robinson, who won the NBA title in his last game with 17 rebounds and quietly faded into a defensive stopper in the preceding years while he let Duncan take the reigns of the Spurs from him

Wilt, Bird, Jerry West

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

Yossarian-22 posted:

I think those are some of the best cases statistically but none won championships, and Wilt lost to crippled Willis Reed in the finals in just 5 games

I guess Bill Russell did in 1969

oh, i see what you mean. yeah probably Russell especially since he was also head coach

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

hifi posted:

the suns are probably the worst liked team in the media. they aren't in the eastern timezone. they aren't on the west coast. for some weird reason texas is an honorary "non-flyover" state now probably thanks to elon musk and the suns aren't there either. they hated devin booker when he was drafted and now they hate being wrong that he's any good. they hated ayton but in the regular season he's like 10-1 vs luka so they hate that. they said chris paul was washed up in OKC and they' hate being wrong about that. cam johnson was like 28 when they drafted him and they hate being wrong about him. mikal bridges was snatched away from a cinderella storyline of being in philly and they hate that. javale mcgee was a punchline on tnt for a decade and he turned into a good player and they hate that. we traded away tj warren for nothing and they hated being wrong about that. i think most of all is that now nobody cares about what commentators on tv or bluechecks on twitter have to say so suns fans have to create their own fun and the media hates that happening

thanks for the post but I don’t think any of this is true

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
how are the sixers expected to win when they only get 16 FTA to their opponents’ nine

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

I’m officially moving embiid to jokic tier

you think he can carry a team to the conference finals?

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

the Denver Nuggets went to the conference finals. it’s true!

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

it's called a Sombor Shuffle!!

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

AnimeIsTrash posted:

euph i was looking at highlights of the nuggets game, why do you hate jokic again?

embiid didn’t win mvp. it’s become a really obnoxious thing among the two fanbases even though the two of them appreciate each other as players

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

incorrect and I’m sad this is the message you have received . I’ve tried so hard to put out a coherent argument

I will try to do better

my mistake. it’s because of podcasts.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

he was definitely better than Jokic last year

I had a list of like 20 names or maybe more

hang on, I just want to clarify, you thought PJ Tucker was better last year than Jokic?

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

NeatHeteroDude posted:

does anyone here listen to that basketball podcast The Flagrant Ones? I'm trying to get into it but I very clearly need some context and background knowledge about the season to understand what's going on. do I just... start watching lots of games?

watch nationally televised games and/or any game between two teams that are both expected to make the playoffs

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

they won’t win a game through the end of November. they will lose to the pacers.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
it was "Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America"

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Kyrie can't possibly be a real jew if his parents can't even guilt him into feeling sorry

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

indigi posted:

catching up on the sas thread. can't believe so many of that wokescold nest of sensitive dorks - who repeatedly called Embiid "toxic" for saying Ben Simmons stopped shooting in Atlanta - are arguing the union shouldn't allow the nba to punish Kyrie for promoting antisemitic hate speech and nazi ideology because "he didn't use a slur like Ant or Myers Leonard." lol.

if Gordon Hayward changed his Twitter header to the stars and bars and RTed some guy saying slaves were actually treated well and showed no remorse I wonder how they'd react

what are you talking about

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
what do you think the union should do if kyrie files a grievance

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
jumping off his injured leg, too. great sign

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

100% sixers loss upcoming

do you gamble on the nba

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

I mean



lmao

this was a road trip. what point are you even trying to make

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

Denver’s defense is worse than last year

yeah. what point were you trying to make by posting their 4-0 recently

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

euphronius posted:

guaranteed sixers loss

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
euph and i are close for how much we post about the nuggets and i'm not sure how many nuggets games he's watched in the jokic era

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
"best player" is a lot more vague than who's having the best season. the players having the best season are pretty clearly luka/giannis and i'd put tatum third.

it's tough to evaluate jokic because he's playing so differently than last year, both in terms of where he puts his effort and the playcalls in terms of running PNR or DHO sets (where his role is primarily playmaking) instead of a lot of dedicated post-up sets (where his role is primarily scoring unless/until a team sends a double). last year he averaged 28/14/8, and in the game that just ended, he posted 8/6/14, +29 in 27 minutes.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
But anyway, tonight is embiid’s night, I hope this will give my sixers poster friends hope once again. Absurdly dominant game

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

a new study bible! posted:

Jokic would be in this category too but he really doesn’t do post moves or anything.

when u definitely watch jokic

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

a new study bible! posted:

you jokic fans are absurd. he rarely plays with his back to the basket. 90 percent of his possessions are passes from the corner of the key or layups.

lmfao just say you don't watch the nuggets dude it's ok

embiid, constant back to the basket guy, leads the league in post-ups this season with 57. jokic, who never ever posts up, has 54

last year jokic had more made field goals off post-ups than embiid did

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

fart simpson posted:

are these made up stats?




offensive rating is a decent all-in-one efficiency metric (so it gives high scores to low-volume bigs). defensive rating has major issues and should basically be ignored.

ast/TO really needs to be combined with knowing how many assists or it's kinda useless. Hauser has 8:1 ratio because he literally has a total of eight assists and one turnover. not per game, total.

looking him up on bbr (i don't watch celtic games) he's playing 75% of his minutes at PF, he has a sky-high TS% at 15% usage and 15mpg. 7/8 of his two-point field goals (again, not per game, total) are assisted, and every one of his 26 3-point field goals.

so, combining all this info, not one stat shows "this guy is amazing" or "this guy sucks." you can figure out his profile, that of an up-and-coming stretch 4 who's been knocking down his 3s at an excellent rate and that the celtics don't ask to do too much as far as creation or playmaking.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

a new study bible! posted:

I don’t think you are being genuine here. NBA may count a post up attempt as any time you back your defender down in the post, but my point is that Jokic isn’t trying to score off the post up, which is where the FT attempt is coming from, he’s passing out of them.

no, this isn't true. if jokic isn't doubled in the post, he goes one-on-one and looks to score. if the opposing team sends a double (as OKC decided to do in their games this year, and as the clippers infamously did the entire 7-game series in the bubble), then jokic looks to pass.

saying he doesn't have post moves is just beyond absurd and you deserve to be made fun of for it. he even has a specific post-up move that he invented that has its own name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUYTzXnHwtg

this year he seems to have worked on the right-to-left version when previously he only ever went left-to-right (because it was invented because of an ankle injury)

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2022/10/21/0022200026/610/fa24365a-8ff1-642a-2bd1-b328636d57da_1280x720.mp4

if teams leave him one-on-one in the post, especially if it's clutch situations where the team needs a bucket, he will absolutely look to score.

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2022/11/07/0022200154/619/4a6b4df8-7f5b-8e7c-d2d6-1d91cca81b8d_1280x720.mp4

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ATiEk-cF0

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005

seeing as this is "something the celtics almost did" the source is absolutely Ainge

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kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Every time i see a Perez tweet I wonder why the biggest highlight-posting dude on twitter is still hold up his phone to record another screen instead of having a screen record software running.

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