AEW Discussion for 7/14: Miro The Redeemer

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CAGE VS STARKS	22	18.33%
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Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

AEW has achieved more in two years than TNA managed in two decades, it's genuinely astounding.

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 13:30

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The most unexpected crossover.

https://twitter.com/thepiff/status/1415470589947432965

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 08:34

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Hoss Corncave posted:

There should never be a need for an excuse to post that image because it's wonderful.

Also, the best part about the whole thing is that Mox was probably having so much fun with that G1. He got to wrestle so many top tier talents in that block in all kinds of different styles and they were all great.

he managed to talk ishii into doing a top rope splash through a table

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 12:55

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Mr. Squishy posted:

I think TK's vision on that score was saying "yeah ok" when Moxley asked for it. That's why they used the wrong version for the first outing.

He's also got an abysmal record outside of the Darks. We'll see if crowds outside of Texas like him as much.

We need the pan flute solo back.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 13:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Rarity posted:

God wrestling is such anime

Maki Itoh's entire character arc is a far less disturbing adaptation of the plot from Perfect Blue.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 15:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Lamuella posted:

Hours have passed and "I once saw a man kill a horse" is still making me giggle.

I admit I actually muted this promo because it gave me distinct Undertaker-Big Show desert motorbike promo vibes. I know it'll be loving hilarious in retrospect but in the moment it was just "what is going on here".

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 15:21

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I don't know what award it can be but Miro deserves some award for something because he debuted as The Best Man and it was sort of kind of a comedy gimmick putting him with Kip but there was always this undercurrent of menace to him, and now that he's been fully unleashed it's an overcurrent of complete menace and with an intensity where in his promos he can include lines about how hot he is and make direct religious references but none of it feels like a pastiche of "religious zealot heel". He can cut astounding promos, has the best hoss body in AEW, Lana is clearly on the way, and his gimmick is so finely tuned its somehow completely over the top but full of nuance.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 15:52

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jackie D posted:

Best gimmick?

Weirdly even though I ended by talking about his gimmick that slipped my mind because... it feels shockingly real? Like I know the best gimmicks are yourself turned up to 11, but Miro's gimmick feels like a real existing person with layers that stands out as its really hard to describe Miro in the "explain to a stranger their character in one sentence" without feeling like you're selling him short - "hypocritical narcissistic religious sociopathic fake-charm monster" is the best I can do, and fake charm doesn't apply because its clear he truly believes he does forgive those he kills, and the hypocrisy stuff isn't like Jericho's where he says stuff that is clearly meant to be wink nudge hypocrisy it just exists that he is a Good Christian who is a murderous lustful beast with absolutely no self-doubt or self-analysis. It's true psychopathy and sociopathy.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 16:03

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Davros1 posted:

His current gimmick wouldn't work without his previous "Best Man" role. It added a layer of depth and dimension that "The Redeemer" needed.

I agree, if he came in trying to just layer nuance in from the get go with a tell-not-show way (in this case being Miro clearly under the surface being an unhinged psychopath behind the video games and expensive clothing and we all slow burn waited for it to come out)... he would be Malachi Black.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 16:14

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Also Miro's debut match in AEW was a complete disaster but no one remembers that. Also it was only 9 months ago, he hasn't even been here a year yet.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 16:23

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

tao of lmao posted:

I�ll continue to defend it since it seems a pretty integral part of getting to the character he is now.

Maybe its just me being overly sensitive to language but the other thing is he is Miro The Redeemer, not Miro The Redeemed. In his promos he talks about freely forgiving those he murders in his path as God's Chosen. It's he views them as needing redemption, not himself, as they are in the way of Literally God's Will and thus he redeems them with forgiveness by killing them for the audacity of taking on God's Chosen Champion.

Jonny Nox posted:

I like the version of "hey check out my monster I brought in"->"Augggh someone get this monster off me!!!!" they told with Kip Sabian better than the Jake Roberts version.

although again, I actually like what's become of the Jake Roberts/Lance Archer relationship.

The weeks of Miro looking for Kip and saying "I just want to talk to you" were so loving great because you knew what was coming and knew it was going to be glorious.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 16:31

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

enigmahfc posted:

no it ruined everything, don't you see

The speedrunning community will never forgive AEW for this.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 16:58

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

DeathChicken posted:

I also love how from the Darby match onward, the Game Over evolved from a bog standard camel clutch to falling backwards and breaking people in half like that dude from the Rocketeer

Someone should explain this concept to Okada.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 17:15

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

JUNGLE BOY posted:

If Miro debuted a year ago with the redeemer gimmick it probably wouldn’t have been as good

You can't start at the end point, Brodie Lee was the same in that he debuted as The Exalted One but the why was teased out iver the following weeks and months. And ut took tine as naysayers were being like "oh so its all just a big WWE joke" being a cult leader using VKM mannerisms and quirks but well thanks to BTE and time became a more complex character.

Maybe AEW are just experts in booking heel hosses with religious tones.

Edit: on the other end we have the Butcher and the Blade who i love but it doesn't feel like they've evolved so much as found new outfits to wear and ditching their terrible finisher. They debuted at their end point and been there since.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 17:25

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

graph posted:

i really liked the brodie eating vignettes after he debuted

it is such a loving crying shame hes not here right now

That Brodie's entire run will be the thing of legend and it entirely occured during the pandemic era with effectively no fans is amazing and so sad because the crowd would've been so big for him always through sheer force of will.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 17:37

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jungle Boy is going to get a visual pinfall on Omega and get screwed.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2021 18:01

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Lamuella posted:

If we need to name more stars, new Dugnutts just dropped.

https://twitter.com/SB_Duggan/status/1415797092803510272

TED BALLOON

Wob Wonkoz

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 16:19

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Spears best run was his campaign to find a new tag partner that sadly didn't have a pay off because of the pandemic and it instead morphed into the Cody open challenge. I wish Mr Grim had more AEW matches.

MorningMoon posted:

QT Marshall could be pretty good in a new program if he's like the most overt mid-card boss. Like Cody loving put him in his place, but he's not gonna acknowledge that and will just relish in putting down guys below him without touching main eventers.

QT Marshall is Val Venis tier in the AEW rankings, he exists to lose to guys better than him but he will never be above A Guy.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 16:26

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I remember when MJF did his first Inner Circle as a group promo and the most noticeable part of it was Spears was a loving giant in there towering over everyone else in the ring including WARDLOW.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 16:30

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

So AEW is up to 14000 tickets sold for thei New York show and I just realised...

Proud n Powerful in New York.

It's going to happen.

They will get their shot.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 16:46

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The Bucks aren't dropping the belts to The Dark Order.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 16:52

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Davros1 posted:

You know, they keep making Sopranos references in regards to QT Marshall, so I think they should lean into more. Move The Butcher, The Blade, and The Bunny over to The Factory, and really lay on the mob references. If some heel has a problem with a face, they come to QT for help. The Elite needs help with The Dark Order? Sure, QT will send The Butcher and The Blade to take Uno and Stu out ... but it'll cost The Elite. Like maybe a Tag Title shot? Kenny wants Ogogo to take out Hangman Page? Sure, no problem. But QT gets a World Title shot in exchange.

This sounds awful

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 17:18

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I just had CEO MK11 2019 recommended to me on youtube and I forgot it took place in the AEW ring. Fire JR for Goldenboy.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 18:34

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Vince MechMahon posted:

I worked at a company that sponsored CEO that year, cause I suggested it, and cause I was doing social media for them I got to spend that entire weekend hanging out in the twitch chat and giving out free food delivery coupons.

Did your sponsorship extend to AEW and was it a good investment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7BHprdY-Pc

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 18:48

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

sba posted:

Have you all considered that every episode of Dynamite is bad unless it features The Acclaimed?

Max Castor looks up with tears in his eyes "yo... yo... The Acclaimed weren't on dynamite last week, we're sorry we backed QAnon but our kids have gotta eat"

# ¿ Jul 16, 2021 19:16

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Vince MechMahon posted:

They should bring in Danhausen to manage chaos project and they could be the COBRA of Dark/Elevation. Have them go full Saturday morning super villain.

Ultramantis Black.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2021 19:51

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Tired: Okada v Omega
Wired: Takagi v Fenix

# ¿ Jul 17, 2021 20:04

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Procrastinator posted:

y'all are cynical as gently caress, jesus

They're literally citing the actual reasons the name exists... did you not become aware of TNA until last year?

# ¿ Jul 19, 2021 04:28

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Lamuella posted:

Cutler feels like someone who has figured out that he is never going to be the Ace of a company where Kenny and the Bucks work, but that a good Fool will always get work. He's genuinely great at it. Little things like not being able to stop spraying are near perfect.

Said this when AEW first started - promotions need Disco Inferno's. Not as in Gilberti who is a tosser, but those loveable jobbers who won't go anywhere but are beloved all the same. It's something WWE long forgot about with the brand being the star and thus everyone has to be 50/50 or a loser.

Hell La Parka in WCW was memorable and a Hall of Famer but can anyone in good faith look at his WCW run as pushed? He was a cool looking skeleton luchador jobber. Much like a certain Pentagon Jr. in Lucha Underground originally.

In conclusion:

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 18:09

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Oil! posted:

They can always try again, he is just a lot fatter with two skeleton sons. He is pretty well protected now though, but it would be worth it to see chairman vs chairman.

There's always the dream where ROH goes under allowing them to pick up RUSH and the very first thing that happens on RUSH's debut when hes in the ring is that the lights go out and then *guitar riff* FROM THE DAY I WAS BOOOOOORN

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 18:19

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55jb3r1oKE

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 18:25

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Dacap posted:

I just realized that wrestlers still committing to y2k era nu-metal style for their wrestling characters are basically the same gimmick as Disco Inferno in the 90s.

This is fake news.

Disco was Disco Inferno in 1995.

Disco ended 1980.

So if anything the numetal gimmicks are 5 years more out of date.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 18:47

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Like when Anna Jayy lost the why.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 20:03

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

https://www.allelitewrestling.com/aew-community

The Salvation Army is an oof.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2021 21:16

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Luther v Omega is going to happen

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 01:02

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Lamuella posted:

If Punk comes back to wrestling I'm sure he will be the same very good talker and largely average worker he was before. I don't need to see it but I'm sure I'll watch it if he's on a show I watch, I've just not been interested in him in a while.

He's made a couple of okay horror movies. That's good, I guess.

Clear bias as he is in my avatar but where the gently caress did this narrative of Punk being an average worker come from? Its known hes not athletic at all and not crisp but as someone capable of putting together a great natch he is one of the best ever.

He had incredible matches with just about everyone and the people who used to say he couldn't because he wasn't a rudiculous athlete were the old guys who took one look at this lean tattooed guy and immediately assumed he couldn't work.

It's just bizarre.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 21:53

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

karmicknight posted:

He wrestled in the factory of misery for like a decade (8 years) op.

He did, and had great matches there oncluding with near over the hill Undertaker and with Brock off the top of my head. Hell Moxley was there longer and Punk had more great matches than Dean Ambrose did.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 21:59

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

britishbornandbread posted:

Thing was Good before, but Thing was widely available and liked by an audience who I hate sharing with, therefore I must downplay Thing in order to maintain my aloofness and sense of superiority.

Punk was always solid, except around the injuries towards the end, and even then he was putting in a shift. He was never a natural athlete, but had that charisma that made fans in both the arena and online listen to his every word. He's not going to be Daniel Bryan levels of technical ability, but even before putting in those years in the WWE he was a great wrestler.

Years and concussions likely have taken their toll, but I'd be tuning in with excitement

It's wrestling post-modernism: when Punk was at his peak and beloved the time was that Cena was a bad wrestler and overpushed, and then in his twilight years when he was no longer Super Cena his entire career was re-appraised and retrospectively making GBS threads on Cena's matches is seen as passe and he was a great worker. The inverse has happened to Punk despite contemporarily and retrospectively him having better matches at the time frame and retrospectively.

Lamuella posted:

From me not enjoying his matches very much compared to other people.

You were a minority then if you were saying at the time frame that Punk was average and having average matches. I do scratch my head at who your view of tiers is if Punk is a Ziggler or Miz level wrestler in your mind.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 22:06

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

britishbornandbread posted:

them tribute elbow drops months and then years after savage died sure were something else

god they were so loving awful

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 22:08

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 13:30

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Nothing Punk did looked spectacular or out of this world or something you couldn't do with a bored weekend of training, and that was fine and part of his benefit. It became more about how you can put a match together to keep the interest high, how well the chemistry works, and knowing what to do to make the match itself great.

Okada has the same thing, albeit as the most athletic man alive, in that when you watch Okada matches for his moves literally none of his moveset is something you couldn't train yourself, except he's perfected every single one of them, and knows how to use the simplest thing such as when to use a dropkick for maximum effectiveness.

Character work is massive in making great matches and knowing how to keep the fans interested and involved rather than being spectacular. Contrast him with Dean Ambrose whose character work was nullified at every possible end by WWE, or Rusev, and we could tell there were great wrestlers in there that were stifled. No one would argue that Rusev or Ambrose were out of this world workers, but Moxley and Miro are out of this world wrestlers.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2021 22:23

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