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Not So Fast posted:If we all just lie flat and live like Diogenes, then climate change will be solved. Reminds me of that short story, The Machine Stops. "Man is the measure"
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Nov 8, 2021 22:08
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Samuel Glompers posted:You'll feel differently when you're starving. So will I. So will everyone. You care that people are suffering and dying and you cannot escape caring about it. Even sociopaths will care once the pain comes to them. they're quoting a movie
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Nov 9, 2021 19:46
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Ruggan posted:Yeah I think about this sometimes too, even more so because of that post. So many things are made of plastic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA1wB9uLG_Y Try not to think so much about The truly staggering amount Of Oil That it takes to make a record All the shipping, the vinyl The cellophane lining, the high gloss The tape and the gear Try not to become too consumed With what's a criminal volume Of Oil That it takes to paint a portrait The acrylic, the varnish Aluminum tubes filled with latex The solvents and dye Let's just call this what it is The jealous side of mankind's death wish When it's my time to go Gonna leave behind things that won't decompose Try not to dwell so much upon How it won't be so very long From now that they laugh at us for selling A bunch of fifteen-year-olds made from dinosaur bones singing, "Oh yeah" Again and again Right up to the end Let's just call this what it is The jealous side of mankind's death wish When it's my time to go Gonna leave behind things that won't decompose I'll just call this what it is My vanity gone wild with my crisis One day this all will repeat I sure hope they make something useful out of me
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Jan 18, 2022 17:22
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:they are called generation Y that's Millennials, Zoomers are Gen. Z as in The Last One.
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Jan 20, 2022 16:44
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SKULL.GIF posted:buddhism teaches that you dissipate into nothingness if you achieve enlightenment, or else you return to this material world to continue the cycle of life & death (so it's implicit you probably don't want the material world to become literal Hell). christianity teaches that you will be explicitly rewarded if you "do good", and the reward is dying and passing into a world more real than the current one where you will be eternally happy. a central tenet of christianity is that on rapture/judgement day everyone else will be left behind to suffer while the believers literally ascend into heaven. this is not a new belief whatsoever, and it's not hard to see the connection between "I'll go to the true kingdom of heaven!" and "It doesn't really matter how bad we gently caress up this planet because eternal reward awaits me upon death" I reread Ishmael recently and, while definitely being an introductory text to this topic and having way less impact than it did the first time, I do still like the reframing of Abrahamic creation myth as a story about how the Agriculturalist societies defiled paradise and killed any neighbors that didn't convert willingly - as told by the people who were enjoying paradise before being unwillingly dragged into Agricultural society.
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Jan 20, 2022 17:37
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The forbidden apple of knowledge was the knowledge that dropping the apple core into the dirt would create another apple tree That's pretty close. I don't know if you've read it, but Ishmael's take on it is basically: Eating from the Tree of Good and Evil was the Agriculturalists deciding that: - The Earth is here for Human Beings. All life on it was just a drumroll leading up to the time that Homo Sapiens Sapiens emerged to claim his birthright. - As a result, all life on Earth is fair game for Humankind to manage as they see fit. This includes claiming as much land to make as much food as possible, even if it means destroying the food sources of other other animals, hunting predators of our food sources, etc. Murder of any living thing is fair game as long as the end goal is keeping humanity on top of the planet. - This is the correct way to live, because this is how the Gods live. They decide what lives and dies, and we want to be like them. Therefore, anyone who doesn't want to be like Us doesn't want to be like God, so they can also be killed without much issue.
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Jan 20, 2022 17:53
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aphid_licker posted:I mean this is also how a hamster lives, there's no organism on this planet that goes hm better not eat this thing, my existence is not more important than the thing's after all A hamster does not hunt its competition for food to extinction. A lion does not kill one gazelle, and then another, and then another, until all of the Gazelle are dead.
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Jan 20, 2022 18:25
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Oxxidation posted:it’s a simplistic way of approaching the dilemma but years before reading the book I’d also thought that we basically converted this planet into a grotesque machine that exists only to support and propagate human life, and the machine has begun to fail Yeah I can't emphasize enough that if you're in this thread, you're probably beyond the point where you're going to get a ton out of it. That being said, it does offer some useful in-roads of how to discuss this kind of stuff with the not-yet-brokebrained in your life.
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Jan 20, 2022 18:30
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aphid_licker posted:That's coincidental when it happens, local prey population collapses, and resulting predator population changes, are a regular occurrence. How about this - you should go read the book I'm talking about and maybe it will clear up whatever confusion my post caused
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Jan 20, 2022 18:35
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think of this cartoon from the 70s from time to time Yes - Absolutely. The Earth is OURS, it belongs to humans. That's the myth. We the People of Civilized Society can totally accept the idea that Earth will be an uninhabitable husk of itself because of our actions, in the near future, because it is OUR PLANET TO TRASH. I think this is also why we are seeing the Billionaire class focus on SPACE when things are so clearly going to poo poo here on the surface. It's kind of the ultimate fulfillment of the Myth to turn the entire planet into one big booster rocket to get burnt out launching a fraction of the population into the sky. A final affirmation that no, we do not belong to this planet, it belongs to US.
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Jan 20, 2022 18:51
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aphid_licker posted:If you can't explain the argument maybe it's you who should reread it Allow me to rephrase: I don't think you want to understand and I think you're intent on missing the point.
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Jan 20, 2022 20:06
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Let's loving go
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Jan 25, 2022 14:42
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Oxxidation posted:you ever think about how our entire civilization is constructed of sinister black ooze that poisons whatever it touches i keep thinking about how the real story of america is a perverse version of the Thanksgiving story: that the pilgrim settlers met the Indians and they taught them how to survive by growing corn. but in the real story they keep growing corn. they grow corn and turn it into fuel and sugar and chips and cookies AND CORN WE MUST COVER THE EARTH WITH CORN
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Feb 1, 2022 20:23
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lmfao this one is an all-timer
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Feb 4, 2022 05:53
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mediaphage posted:gross to think he deserves death for it, though, utterly gross what if i think we all deserve it for what we've done to paradise not saying i do for sure, just saying it's in the mix
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Feb 4, 2022 15:11
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Shady Amish Terror posted:gently caress the weirdos filming and hooting and hollering as the truck driver, in all likelihood, gets away with vehicular manslaughter all you can do is watch, hoot, and holler
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Feb 4, 2022 16:22
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:not one person in the vid was making any extra effort to maximize safety. Even the car cruising along in the travelling lane. yeah but come on, when you have something like that happening behind and on either side of you, I don't know if you're able to react in any way other than "gently caress gently caress gently caress DON'T HIT ME WHAT ARE YOU DOING AAHHHH" e: what i mean is, they're not indicative of anything but how loving crazy it is to make this practice the basis of all personal transportation
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Feb 4, 2022 16:26
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:take off cruise control and let them all pass. Sometimes you have to react 1. the truck is matching their speed intentionally to prevent passing - if they change their speed the truck is just gonna do the same thing 2. the car is zipping across both lanes behind them, if he slows down suddenly there's a good change that maniac rearends him I edited my post to clarify, but this isn't indicative of anything about that driver - it's indicative that driving as a system is insane
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Feb 4, 2022 16:31
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Edit: Nope. Not dragging this poo poo to another page. practicing sustainable posting, we love to see it
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Feb 4, 2022 17:06
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Polo-Rican posted:one problem with cars is that you see the car and not the person. unless you put in effort to think otherwise you literally start to think "a honda flipped" instead of "a person flipped their honda" high levels of window tinting pros: - hide from cops cons: - from the perspective of an outsider, your car has become fully dehumanized, a machine which operates of its own will and exists solely to upset other drivers
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Feb 4, 2022 17:10
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remembering the line in First Reformed where the guy says we'll start having global crop failures by 2025 lol First Reformed posted:The bad times they will begin, and from that point everything moves very quickly. You know, this social structure can't bear the stress of multiple crises. Opportunistic diseases, anarchy, martial law, the tipping point. And this isn't in some like distant future. You will live to see this.
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Feb 7, 2022 15:57
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Rectal Death Adept posted:The free guns in Zardoz were pretty expensive and cool. i feel like our giant zardoz heads will be recording the primitive wasteland people for the enjoyment of the immortal ruling class. it'll be the new reality tv competition: So, You Think The Gun Is Good And The Penis Is Evil!
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Feb 8, 2022 15:50
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Oxxidation posted:several “characters” in Daniel Quinn’s novels (I use quote marks because the books are so didactic that his characters can barely be called such) mention that few people hate his anti-agricultural theories as much as the marxists. he never goes into detail as to why but I figured it was something similar to the above. socialism isn’t an alternative, just a rebranding of the same wretched enterprise. one is “everything for us,” one is “everything for me” I like Quinn, but I do think Marxism is a path towards the "Tree Of Life" ideology he proposes at the end of Ishmael. Or rather, I don't see a path towards achieving a "Tree Of Life" existence for humans on this planet THROUGH industrialization that doesn't involve a Marxist revolution in one way or another. (I don't see that path at all now, but I mean in a 're-writing of the 19th and 20th centuries' sort of way)
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Feb 9, 2022 15:17
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Venomous posted:you do not, in fact, have to give Genghis Khan for being the first ecofascist https://twitter.com/dril/status/464802196060917762?t=kqN2Pvssxsh_p5vCmZbX5w&s=19 trying to impose modern ideology onto a guy who lived before we knew how many continents there were on the planet seems kinda stupid no matter how you're doing it
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Feb 15, 2022 21:24
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Venomous posted:sure, okay, maybe I didn't mean ecofascist in a literal sense and it was a bad choice of words, but the point is, when your opinions on Genghis Khan are identical to that of some liberal in the Guardian 11 years ago, you kinda have to question whether or not your opinion is, in fact, utter poo poo I don't center an op-ed from the Guardian in my understanding of one of the most interesting people in history to read about lol
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Feb 15, 2022 21:30
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The Wisest Moron posted:One. Billion. Americans. Net Zero Americans by 2050
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Feb 16, 2022 14:46
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T-Paine posted:"In addition, most water sources that have usually been resilient to climate variability have dried up in Kenya, he said." 
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Feb 16, 2022 16:31
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:no seriously the disney things are great, it gets all the insane disney fans in one place which they don't want to leave and no one else ever has to go there. it's perfect yeah but it's gonna create a bizarre underclass of like doordash and uber drivers who have to dress in half-assed Goofy costumes
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Feb 18, 2022 02:14
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Rectal Death Adept posted:has anyone tried lowering the carbon? i'm trying to suck it all up in my big lungs
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Feb 18, 2022 18:47
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Femur posted:I simply dont get why people think they are free. Like we all live on a regulated schedule. Because you have the lowest level of society, Prisoners (Slaves), defined as not free. So anyone above that level can see that they're obviously not that, and those people are defined as being Not Free, therefore I must be free!
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Feb 23, 2022 16:58
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maybe we could just turn off the carbon making machines for 2 days a week, as a start
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Feb 28, 2022 14:52
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Karach posted:if you're a sweaty goon who spends all day staring at the back of John Elden's head as you collect rings in George RR Martin Presents the Elder Rings Saga, then yes, things are fine I think the key part of that post is "yet." everything that is already bad now will soon be much worse.
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Feb 28, 2022 21:40
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ikanreed posted:We literally cannot get enough nitrogen from biowaste to feed the entire human population. The green revolution went from savior of humanity to inescapable need in two generations. also keep in mind that if either of the first two solutions work, we may scale everything up as a result of the efficiency and negate whatever solution it was actually providing
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Mar 1, 2022 19:08
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Whats the plan, do you think we should cut em all down now before they burn? Harry Potter on Ice posted:Dont wanna waste the wood?
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Mar 2, 2022 18:57
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nicolas cage in PIG monologuing about how 'the big one' will devastate the city of portland, and the survivors who are lucky enough to scramble their way out of the rubble will be just in time to see a massive tidal wave coming to wash their city away
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Mar 3, 2022 15:32
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actionjackson posted:did Biden even mention climate change in the SOTU lol thanks, we lost 2024 because of this criticism smdh
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Mar 3, 2022 20:46
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Brainwreck posted:I am pretty sure this is not how it works. no no no see rather than suffering INVOLUNTARILY now, we're just gonna suffer VOLUNTARILY later. it's fine, we budgeted it, it's all okay.
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Mar 7, 2022 17:00
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:moonfall, look it up its true, recently saw a documentary about this
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Mar 11, 2022 14:30
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:thankfully there's still plenty of water in the ground I was listening to a book about the taking of the American west and the first group of travelers the US government sent on an expedition through the American southwest to map and draw the landscapes were... not taken by the desert they found themselves in. They expected the same greenery they'd seen from America so far and were disgusted to find themselves in a vast orange hellscape lol
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Mar 17, 2022 14:45
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:read Cadillac Desert I'll add it to the list The book I was talking about is "Blood and Thunder" by Hampton Sides, which has a lot of good 1800s America stories that exemplify how stupid, brutal, wasteful, etc. we've been.
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Mar 17, 2022 15:02
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