[Biosphere Collapse] 420 days of blazin' it

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Kal: Jun 3, 2007

emTme3 posted:

i found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4534254/

it's maybe the best summary of the planetary thermodynamics of our situation i've ever found. these guys are maximally doom-brained.

the whole thing is extremely good poo poo, and it doesn't take long to make the case.

C-SPAM > [Biosphere Collapse] rapidly approaching the chemical equilibrium of outer space

# ¿ Feb 17, 2022 21:39

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 02:29

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

Flowers For Algeria posted:

lo! my bdelloid's overweight!

# ¿ Apr 7, 2022 09:56

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

Lilium Dimension posted:

I absolutely believe people will be dying of thirst in california before they seriously consider table stakes water conservation techniques like, say, banning lawns, golf courses, almond farms, etc.

might need to ban a lot more than almonds

# ¿ Apr 27, 2022 08:38

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

Cuttlefush posted:

yes that is how the private propaganda of western liberal democracies works. people don't go around sharing the many similar "excellent climate reporting" roasting western nations in this thread or elsewhere but the one about turkmenistan's primitive gas and oil fields matching the UK (statement, not really supported by the academic article they cited) output (for a short period). it's pretty loving obvious which articles get interest and stick with people and which articles get mentally shuffled away as "already know this".

also the guardian just straight up does not have excellent climate reporting. it has no excellent reporting at all. you have been tricked

No academic article was cited though?

quote:

The data produced by Kayrros for the Guardian found that the western fossil fuel field in Turkmenistan, on the Caspian coast, leaked 2.6m tonnes of methane in 2022. The eastern field emitted 1.8m tonnes. Together, the two fields released emissions equivalent to 366m tonnes of CO2, more than the UK’s annual emissions, which are the 17th-biggest in the world.

Or do you mean to say that 4.4m tons methane/yr doesn't cause more heating than 366m tons co2/yr?

# ¿ May 9, 2023 12:23

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskzZjJjQg0&t=25s

# ¿ Jul 29, 2023 12:33

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

New Hansen paper is out http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2023/UhOh.14August2023.pdf

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A new climate frontier. The leap of global temperature in the past two months is no ordinary fluctuation. It is fueled by the present extraordinarily large Earth�s energy imbalance (EEI). EEI is the proximate cause of global warming. The large imbalance suggests that each month for the rest of the year may be a new record for that month. We are entering a new climate frontier. When the first author gave a TED talk 10 years ago, EEI was about 0.6 W/m2, averaged over six years (that may not sound like much, but it equals the energy in 400,000 Hiroshima atomic bombs per day, every day). Now EEI has approximately doubled. Most of that energy is going into the ocean. If Southern Hemisphere sea ice cover remains low, much of that excess energy will be poured into the Southern Ocean, which is one of the last places we would want it to go.

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Political leaders at the United Nations COP (Conference of the Parties) meetings give the impression that progress is being made and it is still feasible to limit global warming to as little as 1.5�C. That is pure, unadulterated, hogwash, as exposed by minimal understanding of Fig. 6 here and Fig. 27 in reference 6

Obligatory cope

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That does not mean that the problem is unsolvable. It is possible to restore Earth�s energy balance. Perhaps, if the public finds the taste of the new climate frontier to be sufficiently disagreeable, we can begin to consider the actions needed to restore a propitious climate.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2023 14:12

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

so Hansen has a new paper out talking more about the Earth Energy Imbalance
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2023/FlyingBlind.14September2023.pdf

quote:

The proximate cause of the global warming is Earth�s energy imbalance (EEI): there is more energy coming in (absorbed sunlight) than energy going out (heat radiated to space). EEI increased greatly in the past decade (Fig. 4). The imbalance so far in the 2020s (1.36 W/m2) is almost double the rate (0.71 W/m2) during the calibration period (mid-2005 through mid-2015)

i'm not a scientist, but the EEI having doubled since 2015 seems extremely concerning???

according to Hansen this is mainly because of the decrease in aerosols from the global shipping industry as they started using cleaner fuel around 2015

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The upshot is strong indirect evidence that an ongoing decrease of particulate air pollution is in the process of increasing absorption of solar energy by Earth, which adds to greenhouse gas global warming. We predict at least a 50 percent increase of the post-2010 global warming rate, compared to the 1970-2010 rate of 0.18�C/decade.9 This is a partial payment in return for the Faustian bargain that humanity made when it chose to build its economies on fossil fuel energy.

so we're looking at around 2.5C at 2050 (probably more considering feedback cycles and that we're still increasing emissions lol)

at least we know how to slow down the heating - just reintroduce the dirty sulfur bunker oil again! and this time they can also sell carbon credits from it. win-win if you ask me

Kal has issued a correction as of 16:16 on Oct 4, 2023

# ¿ Oct 4, 2023 16:13

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

Wikipedia posted:

9.2 billion tonnes of plastic are estimated to have been made between 1950 and 2017. More than half this plastic has been produced since 2004. In 2020, 400 million tonnes of plastic were produced. If global trends on plastic demand continue, it is estimated that by 2050 annual global plastic production will reach over 1.1 billion tonnes.

number go up!

:smith:

# ¿ Jan 2, 2024 20:54

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

Scarabrae posted:

just got woken up by the tornado sirens and headed to the basement

ADudeWhoAbides posted:

New thread title?

# ¿ Feb 28, 2024 14:13

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/12/cop-summit-labor-australia-host

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Hosting Cop in 2026 could be the incentive Australia needs to turbocharge climate action | Richie Merzian

In 2021 the then prime minister, Scott Morrison, reluctantly agreed to attend the Glasgow Climate Conference � the 26th Conference of the Parties (Cop) � thanks largely to peer pressure from the United Kingdom, which was the president of the conference at the time (and was led by a Conservative prime minister). Despite his reluctance, Morrison felt compelled to adopt a net zero by 2050 target before takeoff.

Only a week after the conference, the then opposition leader, Anthony Albanese, said if Labor won the next election, he would put his hand up to host a Cop in 2024.

Well, Labor won. And it�s 2024. So dude, where is my Cop?

Cops are a big deal. Like, a really big deal.

At the Cop in Dubai last year there were about 90,000 attenders. Cops are the biggest event a country can host outside sports. As the climate crisis has grown, so too have the conferences� scope. To add to the complexity, all decisions taken at the conference must be by consensus. Think about how hard it is to introduce climate policies in Australia where all you need is a simple 50% majority and then imagine getting consensus between almost every nation on Earth.

Cops are complicated, incremental, painstaking work that ensures everyone is along for the journey. The result (when it works) is groundbreaking treaties like the Paris agreement and the goal to keep global warming to 1.5C.

For those outside the UN negotiating rooms, Cops have become the de facto global trade show for climate solutions. If Albanese�s vision is truly to see Australia become a renewable energy superpower, then how better to show this to the world than having them here to view for themselves, chequebooks in hand?

Australia might again be the lucky country, when it comes to a natural endowment of solar, wind, hydro and critical minerals, but luck is not enough to transition at the speed and scale needed to address the climate crisis. Hosting the world�s largest climate trade show could be just the incentive we need.

Unfortunately, Albanese decided to delay the Cop bid from hosting in 2024 to 2026. But it is still not locked in and the clock is ticking.

The only competing bid to host in 2026 is from Turkey and the decision must be made by consensus. Despite Turkey recently pulling out of hosting a similar UN environmental conference, it is still in the running.

Turkey could be convinced to step aside, but that will require smart diplomacy.

Switzerland withdrew its competing Cop bid after recognising Australia had a stronger case, including its plan to share the presidency with its Pacific neighbours. Pacific Island nations are world leaders in the decades-long call for urgent action on climate mitigation, leading the charge that secured the 1.5C goal in the 2015 Paris agreement. Pacific leaders have backed Australia�s bid and have agreed to jointly advocate for it.
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We all know the Australian government can flex diplomatically when it wants to.

Just think of the efforts gone to securing Mathias Cormann�s top job at the OECD, or to keep the Great Barrier Reef off the world heritage in-danger list. Hosting a summit and a trade show to progress climate action seems like a far more worthwhile cause.

Now is the time to seal the deal and begin to build a climate-savvy Australia that we can showcase to the world.

Brazil will be the Cop president in 2025 and has decided it wants to bring the whole world to the Amazon by hosting it in the town of Bel�m. Brazil�s president, Luiz In�cio Lula da Silva, locked in his Cop bid two and a half years ahead of time. For Australia, that means securing hosting rights in the next few months.

I�ve been to almost a dozen Cops and know the government has a lot of work to do if it wants to pull off the world�s largest climate trade show.

We will need a long runway to present a new version of Australia, one that can build and export climate solutions, not just climate problems.

Ah yes, I'm sure flying 90k people to Australia to have a giant circle jerk at the world�s largest climate "trade show" is is just what what the climate needs! :shuckyes:

# ¿ Mar 13, 2024 19:36

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

NUMBER GO UP

I took a piss in the ocean today, doing my part :patriot:

# ¿ Mar 17, 2024 21:59

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

we need to put the sulphur back in the ship fuels

been saying this

# ¿ Mar 20, 2024 11:50

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

beans > cheese

# ¿ Apr 4, 2024 13:22

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

First came the microplastics and now they want to cover the earth with microrocks?? :tinfoil:

also what does the rock flour taste like

# ¿ Apr 7, 2024 09:55

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

cash crab posted:

$19.99????

"per each"????

# ¿ Apr 14, 2024 21:03

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

The Oldest Man posted:

adam driver 'more' gif https://www.commondreams.org/news/biden-offshore-oil-terminal

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Allie Rosenbluth, U.S. manager at Oil Change International, noted that the project has been approved despite the International Energy Agency's clear assessment in 2021 that "all new investments in oil and gas projects must stop if the world is going to reach its climate goals," including limiting planetary heating to 1.5�C

lmao they're still going to talk about limiting warming to 1.5 even after we pass 2 aren't they

# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 21:35

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

can we cover the ocean with a sheet of plastic to contain the PFAS?

# ¿ Apr 20, 2024 12:57

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

What about pumping like half of the atmosphere out into space? less air = less c02 = less warming. just spittballin

# ¿ May 9, 2024 20:58

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

That graph always reminds of the piss tape... a hot stream of accelerated warming shooting out

# ¿ May 16, 2024 16:02

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 02:29

Kal: Jun 3, 2007

SixteenShells posted:

gonna start a company that uses solar-powered zeppelins to spray sulfur aerosols

gonna start a company that employs a fleet of ships to spray sulfur aerosols into the pristine ocean air where they will have the greatest effect

# ¿ May 16, 2024 18:27

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