Mayor Dave posted:

lmao which one of you bought this banner ad:



leading to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNjWOCdony4

comedyblissoption posted:

"but if you keep polluting we will both surely die," said the worker

"lol" said the corporation. "lmao"

Basic Poster posted:

Stevie Lee posted:

Listen,

Sylink posted:

I'd like to cheer up the thread with my gardening anecdotes from the midwest. This year I planted several cover crop plots, which were a mix of dozens of plants to make a sort of super forage garden / three sisters method on crack for soil building. I saw so many DIFFERENT pollinators - bees, butterflies, and beetles this year compared to any other. And below that were many other critters and numerous grasshoppers, especially in the other areas where I had planted high grasses like winter rye. Normally I don't see so many. Really the diversity is striking.

The fall cold snap hasn't arrived yet, and still I see hundreds of honey bees buzzing around on the remaining flowers. And numerous monarch butterflies.


Have some pics:










little album https://imgur.com/a/aP6YqRi

Tabletops posted:

I have been advocating for a ecological dictatorship since 2012.

I stopped pursuing a degree in climate science to pivot to city planning and government because it was obvious that what we should be focusing on is mitigation and ablation in 2013.

in 2021 I live in a dome

Basic Poster posted:

I just did this. My third time buying land. I'd be happy to help with your process, there are many mistakes to make.

take_it_slow posted:

This! Look up “direct drive” or “daylight drive” solar. Doxxing myself a bit here, but the farm I’m living on (still not a cult) is extensively employing this tech. We have a dc well pump that pulls water up 250 ft, moves it 1/4 mile to the house, and pressurizes our tanks to 60+ psi, at 10 gpm, on 180 volts of solar.
Edit: it’s a gruñidos sqflex; it’s been going strong for five years now. Obviously, there are a lot of different pumps depending on your specific situation, but I just want to emphasize that this is way more important and worth investing in than a battery system, and will work just fine without one. PM me if you’ve got any questions.

endlessmonotony posted:

Do you feel healthy?

Hubbert posted:

hey guys

so i wake up and drink tea every morning, right?

i decided to go look into this

Enfys posted:

gently caress

I can't floss my teeth or wear contacts to see or drink water or breathe without plastics getting in my brain

And now I can't even enjoy a cup of tea, the only thing that makes life in this stupid plastic hell world tolerable, without thinking about the hot plastic stew I'm ingesting

Yeah sure loose tea leaves blah blah but I can't gently caress around with tea leaves at my stupid job I keep doing so I can pay bills so I can keep living in this stupid world ingesting more plastic

gently caress COREY PERRY posted:

month to month? lmao you mean the weekly one perry mason jar did

500 good dogs posted:

love learning new ways we gently caress the environment that aren't even directly climate change related

https://twitter.com/NOAAFisheries/status/1473744815112302601

Shima Honnou posted:

just wear a mask, you'll want to anyway if u wanna avoid dying to covid-28 anyway

Homeless Friend posted:

i recommend setting sick rival times in forza. good tracks imo

hekaton posted:

Mr. Barnesworth posted:

I was watching Tom Wessels New England Forests lectures on youtube regarding forest ecology, which are all really interesting and would recommend. The algo then suggested another discussion he joined with Michael Dowd and his "Post Doom" series. I suppose it's just preaching to the choir here but thought it was interesting nonetheless and warranted a post.

Post Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTGQNH3IoMk

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

free rime

Cranappleberry posted:

as someone who is in the know about this particular topic, but doesn't post in this thread for a variety of reasons, yes there is some stuff you are missing but no you ain't gonna find it here.

AceClown posted:

parts of the indian subcontinent are rapidly approaching wet-bulb temps

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Confusedslight posted:

So speaking very broadly. Is everything just going to get slightly more poo poo with every passing year or will it suddenly all come at once?

SKULL.GIF posted:

Fell Mood posted:

There are no skills that will let you survive a complete collapse, ie the water and electricity are turned off and industrial farming stops. There are 4 reasons for this.

Assume the fossil fuel stops flowing.

1. Learning how to farm like it's 1800 requires a lot more than just "having skills" It's a knowledge base that very very few people still keep up with, and you have to get it right quickly before you starve. This isn't like growing a garden.

2. None of the infrastructure is there. The tools for farming by human or animal power no longer exist in quantity. The electricity to power the machines to make them won't exist. Where are the tens of thousands of horses and donkeys and oxen we would need? What about the seeds? Hell can you even get from the city to a field on the outskirts without a car? With no horse to ride?

Even a simple way of life requires pre-existing infrastructure that has built on itself over centuries.
If you were an expert on farming and time traveled to 1820 and was given a free piece of land, there is a great deal already made available by society. Plows and horses would exist in high numbers and could be bought on credit. Today we would be starting from scratch. It would be like the Jamestown settlers starving before the native Americans saved them.

3. The environment is degraded. Even if your community could transition back into a low tech agrarian society before you all starved to death, crop failure would be common.

4. The environment is degraded. 300 years ago you could simply walk thru a forest in north America and pick up enough chestnuts, blue berries, muskadines, ect ect to survive. There would be deer and rabbits and Buffalo everywhere. Now when your crops fail you won't be feeding the community by hunting. That or you'll give everyone a prion disease.

There is no rebuilding from this. It is different from every other collapse that a society has suffered in history because there is no where to go. We cannot revert to a less organized society because we are destroying nature itself. Let's assume a worst case scenario. Humanity is set back 50,000 years to being isolated tribes of 50 to 60 people that either hunt or try to farm.

There are places that have seen continuous human habitation for millenia that will be too hot for that. We've collapsed the fish stocks. We've killed the large mammal populations. Even after human society is gone they may not recover due to the chemical pollution affecting fertility for centuries.

Let's talk Canada and Siberia. We'll just all move north where it's cooler, right? To a place that has never been farmed and has no topsoil. To the massive bogs of thawed permafrost where a human being can't walk, nevermind trying to get a donkey or tractor into the field. Where the natives have lost thier way of life because the seal, whale, crab, fish, populations are depleted.

Let's talk the Chernobyl exclusion zone. Nature recovered in 20 years right? It's called shifting baselines. That's what you think nature is like because you're never seen nature. How much animal biomass does the zone have? How many humans could that sustain if you didn't overhunt? How does seeing a few deer in the exclusion zone compare to native American stories about a herd of Buffalo millions strong where you just had to sit on the trail for 3 days and wait for the mass of animals to pass before you could continue? Spanish explorers wrote in thier logs about schools of sea turtles so thick it felt like the ship was running aground as they plowed thru.

We will not transition to a carbon neutral high tech society. We are in a capitalism fitness trap and it's almost too late.

We will not transition to a low tech agrarian society. We conceivably could with proper preparation and reorganizing of society, but we won't. And it may not be possible to rebuild into a low tech agrarian society after a sudden collapse. (Because we are altering the environment such that sufficient crops won't grow. )

We will flail about as we desperately try to keep things going. Canada and Northern Russia will be devastated as enormous effort is expended to make it suitable for large scale habitation. Thawed permafrost bogs will be drained and scraped away to try to find something solid to build on. Massive amounts of NatGas will be used to try to make enough fertilizer for what little dirt there is. The trees will be cut down for housing and the 10,000 lakes polluted. All while the mid latitudes experience giga death from heatwaves and crop failure.

We are hosed. And when the power is turned off and food and fuel stop being shipped to your little corner of the world, all your skills and resilient community's and whatnot just means you'll survive longer as you scavenge the corpse of society. I'm not saying that isn't worthwhile, I'm developing my own skills as well. But this isn't going to be Russia in the 90s or like a civil war in some war torn country. We are destroying the basic inputs human civilization must have to function.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Cool that the author doesn't realize almost all of the US/Mexico border migrants are climates refugees and the response has been to put them in concentration camps and make it a crime to give them water. They're also sterilized.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Here's the letter from Congress:

https://jayapal.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DHS-IG-FINAL.pdf

They began performing them in 2014.

Bunch of different links here. Extremely well documented.
Full report here: https://projectsouth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/OIG-ICDC-Complaint-1.pdf

Corsec posted:

Hot takes:

Humanist (including liberal and classic socialist) ideology is to species what Nazi ideology is to race.

Species is no less of a historical and social construct than race is.

Taxonomic classification is no justification for granting or witholding political, moral and legal status. This is as true of species as it is for race.

Ideas like sapience/sentience serves the same justificatory role within humanist ideology that whiteness plays within white supremacy.

The fact that you are convinced that your subjective experience exists is not sufficient scientific proof that it actually exists.

The apparent absence orinferiority of subjective experience inside the bodies of non-humans does not prove or justify the belief that the thing does not have interests or those interests do not deserve concern.

Corsec posted:

You're an animal, living in nature, exercising your own agency in forming moralistic beliefs and practices. There is no non-interference, unless you assume a disembodied objective viewpoint which humans don't possess. Organisms establish their own normativity according to what relationships they form with other living beings. Morality in humans is one form of this normativity and recently is mostly formed according to dominance relationships because dominators keep, uh, dominating everyone else and getting away with it.

Within an anthropocentric moral framework then yeah it follows as stupid and offensive to compare tomatos and cows to humans exactly because anthropocentrism assumes the human privilege that moral worth is to be assigned according to how close something is to resembling a human, mentally or physically. Since cows and tomatoes aren't human, then yeah obviously they can't be equals because humanistic philosophy has already foreclosed it out of legitimate consideration.

A dominance-based culture centers moral concerns on itself as the measure of all other things. Alternatively, some pre-modern cultures had sacred animals, veneration for the instrinsic value of non-humans in a way that doesn't require that they possess the same properties that we would recognize and value in ourselves.

Engaging with other organisms in a mutualistic way means engaging with their own interests, and those interests aren't obviously aligned with our own subjective concerns, like morality, because our morality is formed according to our own particular interests and not theirs.

Right, so mutualistic/symbiotic relationships are what prevent runaway growth, because if you kill your symbiont or co-mutual then you die. Whereas the logic of a dominance relationship is to exploit and exhaust everything, because you're mostly competing against other exploiters/dominators and if you don't take it then they will.

Humans didn't self-limit like this because they didn't need mutualism across species only inside their own species. After their first mass extinction event of killing off the megafauna they used their intelligence to switch to horticulture as a substitute. Otherwise they might have had to attempt a mutualistic strategy with the remaining fauna. So, unlike corals, humans have the option of eating their way down the food chain until there is no food chain left. Co-mutuals are locked into a section of the food chain and this is what prevents catastrophe. So I think a survivable ecology for humans is something that is ethically unrecognizable to our culture, and I can't even fully imagine it since I'm a produce of the same culture.

Mola Yam posted:

do you feel in charge