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Rutibex posted:Psycohistory is a flawed concept, it's meant to be. That's Asimovs thing, he takes a sci fi concept and writes short stories where he figures out the cracks in the concept. I think you’re on to something here. To reflect Asimov’s approach, this should be a series of short, half episode stories, each tackling a unique problem under an overarching theme, with key characters either not related to each other at all, or at least very loosely. We have the multiple storylines and time hopping but nothing on the scale seen in the books.
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The upside here is the 2nd and 3rd seasons usually improve significantly, and there’s a strong foundation ( ) in place for that to happen.
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Oct 17, 2021 22:40
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Once again the adventures of the Cleons prove superior to the other plots.
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Oct 22, 2021 13:25
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Well then we wouldn’t know, would we
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Nov 1, 2021 20:35
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Nitrousoxide posted:She had a kid though. Oh that’s easy, implanted memories.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:45
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Let’s take a look at the writing staff for this stinker. Co-creator Josh Friedman wrote for the TV adaptation of Snowpiercer, which I remember being fine, and the TV version of Terminator, which… wasn’t. He also wrote on the last Terminator film. Co-creator David S. Goyer wrote on the Nolan Batman films, Call of Duty and a bunch of other comics properties. Story editor Sarah Nolen has little to no experience, aside from a stint on The Americans. Executive story editors Olivia Purnell’s sole other credit is American Gods. Of the other few writers, Victoria Morrow wrote on Weeds and Deadwood. I suspect most of the interesting stuff comes from Marcus Gardley, who is both a playwright and who write a fair number of indie movies. Honestly, it seems the writing team is just not up to standard compared to the rest of the production.
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Nov 14, 2021 20:02
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As a Foundation thing, last episode, as all the others in the season, was bewildering poo poo. As a self-standing SF series, fine, whatever, much better than season 9 was and, save for Hari, Hardin and Gaaaal, sets up an almost clean slate for season 2. Having said that, I absolutely despise the Gaal voice over rambling speech, as it reminds me of exactly the same crap they've had Michael do in Discovery. It feels like I'm listening to a teenage girl's journal.
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Nov 19, 2021 13:42
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Trantor in the book had over a million foundation citizens during the first crisis. The season’s final scene had the citizens of Trantor, plus armies of two alien worlds in front of the vault. It looked like 20 people tops. I just can’t get over that for some reason.
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Nov 21, 2021 20:58
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500 million of what
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Nov 22, 2021 00:44
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WithoutTheFezOn posted:You must mean Terminus. Well spotted - yes, I meant Terminus!
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Nov 22, 2021 18:44
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So I never fully got this part - who caused space 9/11? Was it Hari, Demerzel or it just doesn’t matter?
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Nov 22, 2021 21:07
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WOT is much closer to the base material, for one. It doesn’t even compare to Foundation.
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Nov 23, 2021 06:16
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Hari emerges from the vault, and gestures towards the gathered Goons from the Foundation thread. "Congratulations on surviving the first crisis. I'm happy to say, we foresaw great things for this show and we were proven right!" Confused Goons look at each other. "In fact, we received numerous awards for a coherent plot, believable characters and truly innovative world building" - he continues. "Something's wrong. He's talking about another future!" - cries a Goon - "We're hosed hosed!". The rooms erupts into chaos. "I'm happy to tell you we will now embark on a continuation of out adventures - films, an MMO and a new series of Foundation books..." Room erupts into chaos, people jump out the windows, etc.
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Nov 24, 2021 12:37
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That could very well be the case, but, as if with the other worldbuilding questions, the show just doesn’t care enough to talk about any of this.
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Nov 24, 2021 17:57
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I’m rereading the first Foundation book and I can literally see the writers skimming through it and , after the first chapter, just writing down buzz words. Mhmm yes… Salvor Hardin … Anacreon… crisis, vault thingy… great hunt… derelict battlecruiser… right, think I’ve got enough to get this season out the door by Monday.
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Nov 28, 2021 21:54
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Also, coming off hot from two robot novels, Asimov’s habit of having character exclaim! poo poo constantly is irritating. The man had his writing style, that’s for sure, and it’s not very good, I think. drat fine futurist, though.
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Nov 28, 2021 22:08
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:I'm surprised Hari didn't say "I predicted the Huntress losing her eye and that you'd defeat her by coming in from her blind side with a right hook" as everyone looks on in confusion. He just couldn't predict their names, because psychohistory doesn't deal with individuals.
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Nov 30, 2021 14:45
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Oh they seem to be further in with the filming then I’d expect.
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Feb 2, 2022 19:42
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I liked the world building of the series. Sure, we only got to a see a very limited number of worlds and people from a Universe numbering hundreds of millions of unique planets, but places like creepy sinking planet, Trantor or heck, even Terminus and the Desert jesus hiking planet were neat.
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Dec 3, 2022 18:00
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I enjoyed the first episode of the new season. It was clear midway through season o e this has very little to do with the books and would probably be better off as a stand alone story, but I feel this thread makes a good point about why that isn’t the case in the end. Even the fight scene was fine, because it made sense in the story and was poo poo well - this is in stark contrast to the pew pew scenes from last season which were pointless filler. I think they could highlight a bit better that more than 130 years have passed and we’ve had like 4 middle Cleons in between the XII and XVII and the galaxy has moved on - the exposition dialogue was weak on this. Pace is great and he’s really pulling the show.
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Jul 19, 2023 17:11
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The Gail/Seldon/Hardin line is consistently the least interesting. I really liked the Foundation magicians, though! It brings the book to life at least a bit there. I also like the casting for the Trantor crew. Cleon plotline was a bit understated today. Hey, episode wasn’t bad! …except the useless Hardin action scene unblocking thrusters. We all know they’ll unblock it and fly away. Why waste time and resources to show this? It’s like they have a studio exec on set who keep submitting notes that boil down to “we need a shootout!”.
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Jul 21, 2023 12:42
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Someone pls explain how did Gale meet the Mule… did she travel in time via prime numbers? I didn’t get that scene and also was not paying attention.
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Jul 21, 2023 20:58
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I thought I heard it in the episode and wasn’t sure, so I went back and checked… The Cleric says he’s the only one alive who has seen the previous Vault opening with Seldon, and if you go back, he’s actually there as a kid in season 1, which makes him 150 years old. They never mention people living that long anywhere, do they? He doesn’t look a day over 60 anyhow.
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Jul 22, 2023 19:14
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sure okay posted:I never read the books and I don't know who this Mule guy is but his show representation is goofy as gently caress with his dumb Dr Robotnik glasses and Iron Man blaster that doesn't even kill when hitting the target. Hard to talk about this without spoilers but you shouldn’t really (light spoiler) read too much into how the Mule looks.
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Jul 22, 2023 22:00
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I mean that’s fine in essence, but as it stands, two out of three of the plots are a bit poo poo.
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Jul 23, 2023 17:16
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It was fun. I enjoyed it. The shot with Gail and Seldon walking on sand and only her leaving footprints was great. Planet mined out 3000 years ago by huge robotic excavators is some strong hard sci-fi poo poo that also fits the foundation universe. Salvor kinda sucks  Who was the tomb lady again?
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Jul 29, 2023 01:17
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So as I understand it, tomb lady is an android and she place Seldon’s consciousness into an android body, right?
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Jul 29, 2023 10:30
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Open Source Idiom posted:These outer colonies own hard. Last week it was Medieval Roswell, this week it's Nazis vs The Scarlet Pimpernel. Oh yeah! That whole Hober Mallow part of the story was surprisingly entertaining.
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Jul 29, 2023 13:46
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Spoilers make sense for shows based on modern books, like the Silo series. Here we’re talking about 50 year old books. Wheel of Time is a bit if an edge case - it’s not that old but most everyone has read it. It does stray from the source material, though, though not as mich as Foundation.
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Aug 3, 2023 17:35
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Okay, yes, that was pretentious, but then we also got wonderful and silly jokes, like “How long was in there?”, “We’ve been waiting two years!”.
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Aug 5, 2023 08:15
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Obviously they need a musical episode now.
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Aug 5, 2023 21:29
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Demerzel’s little gently caress wink to Cleon was pretty great. Lee Pace continues to be great. It’s good to have more Jarred Harris on screen. Whichever shop is responsible for the CGI, they’re doing a top notch job. Even little shots are super sharp and detailed.
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Aug 11, 2023 11:12
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alexandriao posted:I mean c'mon, as a woman i am finding it hard to be invested and relate to the only two leads that are women, how do you gently caress up writing characters that badly lmao Poorly written female characters are an Asimov trademark
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Aug 11, 2023 21:38
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Maybe he knew how but robot lady really did it for him and the princess didn’t
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Aug 12, 2023 21:08
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Last episode was fine. It’ll be really surprising if Seldon doesn’t do a robo-jesus. I also enjoy the flying priests adventures. I think the visual worldbuilding is great in this show, with a few misfired here snd there - think the Cleon’s throne room and the First Foundation planet. But then we get the cool Colosseum and the nifty spacer space ship - neat!
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Aug 20, 2023 00:21
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:I really like this season so far but this episode was a bit of a stinker
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Aug 27, 2023 19:53
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Have you seen the recent discourse around ai
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Aug 29, 2023 12:39
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All that plus they have a huge height difference
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Aug 31, 2023 19:17
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LinkesAuge posted:Ya and it would be a typical example of (modern) SciFi writing in TV. It makes your setting look small because everything has to connect back to a single point in your story for some cheap mystery/"twists", not to mention that it once again goes against the whole theme of Foundation. A book written about the large scale effects of society/history. But then you create a TV show that already feels rather "empty" (and not like an empire consisting of trillions and trillions and citizens including countless worlds) and where everything in the story leads back to a few hand selected people throughout history. The rest of the universe might not even exist so little do they seem to matter. Ah, the Star Trek method where the whole universe revolves around the 30 people crossing each others’ paths non stop.
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The gravel pit outside of Vancouver, to be exact
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