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Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Forseti posted:

Find it real hard to believe that 30% of Americans know anything about what's in it

Hell even people who follow politics don't know what's in the bills anymore, just what is not

Cabbages and Kings posted:

How many people would you need to move, physically, to guarantee both a heavily, uncontestable blue map in 2024, and victory for some number of actual progressives in key places?

I wonder how this compares to the number of reliably left voting workers who are currently fully remote and might be willing to go live someplace otherwise undesirable to them for long enough to be registered voters in nov 2024? Or even 2022; it doesn't even appear to me that the required length of time is that long, most places? One would need a physical address, mail, actual residency.

I love where I live and it would suck to be isolated from my family for a while and have to travel a distance to see them, but if this was something that was feasible based on math and had organized momentum behind it, I personally would go rent some cheap place with internet access for as long as needed, gently caress it.

Does anyone have a clue what the numbers look like and if this is a pipe dream or something that's possible?

Way too many, plus you would be fighting against blood red governments who would do everything they could to disenfranchise you. Plus what's the point if all you get is another Manchin? It would be far easier for Democrats to actually do their job and pass what they promised and have a political platform that actually gives a poo poo about the country but that's verboten

Red states hate dems because the democratic party literally only cares maybe about two or three cities within the entire nation and has thrown the entire rest of it to the wolves

Feldegast42 has issued a correction as of 17:39 on Nov 1, 2021

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Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i don't think all the fixing in the world could get harris through the primary, even.

I still think its in the cards that they outright cancel the primaries to protect either Biden or Kopmala

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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When Larry Summers thinks you are shelling out too much to the rich

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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"Actually its because our plans are too detailed to explain on the campaign trail and there is no way you can explain them in three words"

Medicare for All
Green New Deal
Free College

"No, not like that"

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Police_monitoring posted:

Build back better

gently caress, now I understand everything

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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vyelkin posted:

The two sides are "pro-genocide" and "preemptively reaching across the aisle to say we'll compromise on half a genocide"

Its "pro-genocide but incompetent" versus "publicly anti-genocide but masters at making sure the trains to Dachau run on time"

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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MLSM posted:

Lol I hope this piece of poo poo loses in 2024

And no I’m not voting

Aww come on, at least vote for Jeb! or something

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

the thing about conservative catholics is they suspect everyone and everything that annoys them is in league with satan, in the hopes of hurting them, personally, and is aware of all other aspects of the vast satanic conspiracy

jesuit pope? satan. blm? satan. kids these days not respecting them? satan. kids these days not staying quiet about priests touching them? quadruple satan

That's not just tradcaths though, thats evangelical Christianity as well (although there is a lot of overlap these days)

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Homeless Friend posted:

lol some D&D goons actually got heated at nancy being made fun of for her ice cream hoard

An ice cream brand that is tied to Epstein, no less

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Pentecoastal Elites posted:

the republican party is exactly as captured by capital as the democratic party (which is to say: 100%) and thinking you're going to ~sneak in~ socialism into the party of some of the most powerful capitalists in world history is a loving pipe dream that betrays the lib delusion that you're a supreme brain genius politics knower standing astride history figuring out how to get all the pathetic little worms to do what you want through One Weird Trick. gently caress off.

yeah this, and thinking you can waltz into a GOP party meeting and start pushing for leftist economic policy is more likely to get you literally shot

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Johnny Cache Hit posted:

:same:

they’ll reduce the needed votes to a simple majority when they finally call the constitutional convention

haha or maybe they push impeachment to the states,that’d be hilarious

Honestly that would probably be an improvement at this point, it would backdoor in a parliamentary system

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Yeah the libs are already acting like they lost 2022 and are already tut-tutting everyone about it

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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LastInLine posted:

From the top of my head
  • Clinton *slightly* raised the top income tax bracket to 39.6%
  • Did Obama do anything at all? I can't think of a single change to a GWB policy and one could make a strong argument that the GWB admin was more transformative than any republican admin of the last century.
  • Biden got rid of Trump's SALT taxes and I think even made that retroactive

Goddamn it's sadder than I would've guessed

IIRC he didn't get SALT repealed, that was apart of BBB (basically the only part at the end of it outside of some crap that got means tested to oblivion)

Manchin killing BBB unironically makes him the leftmost member of the senate including Bernie

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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B.F. Pinkerton posted:

you'll be getting it in multiple checks, starting with a zero-dollar check this term, a 300$ check the next term, and possibly another 300$ the term after that

what's the consensus here about 2024? youse guys think Biden is really going to go for round 2 at his old age or do ya think the dems will actually try and get someone marginally younger to run?

I still think Biden is running 100% no matter what happens. As absolutely horrendous his presidency has been for us its actually been incredibly productive and fruitful for the class who writes the checks, as he is basically Trump's 2nd term policywise but without all the grandstanding that made people stand against Trump in the first place. Any possible national reform movement has been utterly crushed and the establishment hasn't been this consolidated and powerful in decades.

The only thing that I think could possibly bring him down is if he doesn't get the SALT repeal passed, and that's about it.

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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Not sure why people are hyping Sinema when she is likely to be to the far left of the democratic base in a year or two

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Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

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they will naturally tighten up as we get closer to the election but drat

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